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Why we had to drop the A bombs on Japan

vegas giants said:
That sounds a lot like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Killed a bunch of civilians....to make a point
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Imperial Japan from the 1930s on didn't seem to consider anyone there to be a civilian. They were all subjects of the Empire, & expected to sacrifice for the Emperor, & die for him, if it came to that. Once the Imperial military captured the Imperial government, there was no turning IJ back from expansion by conquest, even it it was clearly not working. If they only worked harder, sacrificed more, truly believed in their invincibility in the field, they couldn't possibly lose. Until they did.

Civilians (as we understand the term) had very little input into IJ policy or politics. The subjects were there to serve & obey.
 
vegas giants said:
They would have accepted it in august of 1945. By then it's all they wanted. But truman did not want a surrender until.he used the bomb
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What "they?" The military command never wanted to surrender and never was going to - which is why the Emperor did a panic radio broadcast without the military knowing it because he knew either the military was going to assassinate him or imprison him to stop any surrender - or we dropped a A-bomb on the Emperor's head as he dare not leave the palace in fear of the Japanese military command. There has already been kidnapping and assassination attempt on the Emperor by the military for that reason.

When the Japanese military planned to surrender was exactly never nor intended to allow the Emperor to do so. There was nothing but death awaiting many Japanese military commanders upon a surrender.

" In addition to the central Tokyo trial, various tribunals sitting outside Japan judged some 5,000 Japanese guilty of war crimes, of whom more than 900 were executed."

Japanese war criminals hanged in Tokyo | December 23, 1948 | HISTORY

In Tokyo, Japan, Hideki Tojo, former Japanese premier and chief of the Kwantung Army, is executed along with six othe...
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That did not count the many hundreds that were killed on-the-spot - such as by POWs. Do you think the Chinese and Russian military treated Japanese officers well upon surrender?

Of course, you always hide from that fact and tell the lie about what "they" wanted - but "they" were the Japanese military that intended to fight to the last death of the last Japanese - taking as many millions of Americans as they could with them - since they were dead men if they surrendered anyway. Basically, the Emperor sacrificed the lives of his military for his own life and that of his family - which we should never have allowed.

We should no more have spared the Imperial family's life (Emperor and those in the military who committed unthinkable war crimes) just like we should never have agreed to spare Hitler if he had offered that as a condition of surrender.
 
joko104 said:
What "they?" The military command never wanted to surrender and never was going to - which is why the Emperor did a panic radio broadcast without the military knowing it because he knew either the military was going to assassinate him or imprison him to stop any surrender - or we dropped a A-bomb on the Emperor's head as he dare not leave the palace in fear of the Japanese military command. There has already been kidnapping and assassination attempt on the Emperor by the military for that reason.

When the Japanese military planned to surrender was exactly never nor intended to allow the Emperor to do so. There was nothing but death awaiting many Japanese military commanders upon a surrender.

" In addition to the central Tokyo trial, various tribunals sitting outside Japan judged some 5,000 Japanese guilty of war crimes, of whom more than 900 were executed."

Japanese war criminals hanged in Tokyo | December 23, 1948 | HISTORY

In Tokyo, Japan, Hideki Tojo, former Japanese premier and chief of the Kwantung Army, is executed along with six othe...
www.history.com www.history.com

That did not count the many hundreds that were killed on-the-spot - such as by POWs. Do you think the Chinese and Russian military treated Japanese officers well upon surrender?

Of course, you always hide from that fact and tell the lie about what "they" wanted - but "they" were the Japanese military that intended to fight to the last death of the last Japanese - taking as many millions of Americans as they could with them - since they were dead men if they surrendered anyway. Basically, the Emperor sacrificed the lives of his military for his own life and that of his family - which we should never have allowed.

We should no more have spared the Imperial family's life (Emperor and those in the military who committed unthinkable war crimes) just like we should never have agreed to spare Hitler if he had offered that as a condition of surrender.
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Only the emperor could surrender. The army would never stop fighting unless the emperor surrendered.


Offer to not hang him.from a tree and he would have surrendered. Many say we did not even need to do that. When russia entered the war it was over.

All we had to do was wait
 
iguanaman said:
Not as soon as other nations had nukes too....We did not have to worry about Japan dropping a nuke on us.
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We dont have to worry about Afghanistan doing that either
 
southwest88 said:
Imperial Japan from the 1930s on didn't seem to consider anyone there to be a civilian. They were all subjects of the Empire, & expected to sacrifice for the Emperor, & die for him, if it came to that. Once the Imperial military captured the Imperial government, there was no turning IJ back from expansion by conquest, even it it was clearly not working. If they only worked harder, sacrificed more, truly believed in their invincibility in the field, they couldn't possibly lose. Until they did.

Civilians (as we understand the term) had very little input into IJ policy or politics. The subjects were there to serve & obey.
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Do you consider the women and children killed there to be civilians?


I do
 
vegas giants said:
Do you consider the women and children killed there to be civilians?


I do
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We killed more women and children in Germany with conventional bombing. Look up the Dresden fire bombing.

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iguanaman said:
LOL That would not work unless we killed everyone living there.
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Well you certainly have an opinion. I don't think everyone in afghanistan is in the taliban though
 
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