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Why we had to drop the A bombs on Japan

braindrain said:
Is that why Japan didn’t even surrender after the first bomb.

Your grasp of history is pathetically weak
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They surrendered straight away. And if you delve into japan culture , they are all about saving face. And if you think one week is not straight away, then maybe attention deficit disorder is in play.
 
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You guys think you saved the world. But Australia suffered more deaths per head of population than any other country in ww1 and ww2. Yes without usa, aus, would be talking jap. But we gave our all.
 
We were a tiny little country and we still are.
 
coco said:
They surrendered straight away. And if you delve into japan culture , they are all about saving face. And if you think one week is not straight away, then maybe attention deficit disorder is in play.
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No, they didn't "surrender straight away".

Not after the first bomb.

Not directly after the second bomb.

And elements of the military strove to continue the war.
 
coco said:
You guys think you saved the world. But Australia suffered more deaths per head of population than any other country in ww1 and ww2. Yes without usa, aus, would be talking jap. But we gave our all.
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No doubt. I've always had great admiration for Australia.
 
Fledermaus said:
OPINION noted.

We bombed them into submission.... Except they didn't submit.
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They did a week later. You should of gave them more time. Instead of murdering another 80,000 civilians.
 
Fledermaus said:
No, they didn't "surrender straight away".

Not after the first bomb.

Not directly after the second bomb.

And elements of the military strove to continue the war.
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They had nothing left. What was USA frightened of. Just bomb them conventionally. No need for atomic bombs. All they needed was time. They did surrender one week after the second atomic bomb. They would of surrendered if it was dropped or not.
 
coco said:
They had nothing left. What was USA frightened of. Just bomb them conventionally. No need for atomic bombs. All they needed was time. They did surrender one week after the second atomic bomb. They would of surrendered if it was dropped or not.
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They had nothing left but aircraft, suicide boats, tanks, army groups....

So you support us "conventionally" bombing them?

Like the Tokyo firebombing that killed more than either A Bomb?

Interesting that you agree they surrendered after Hiroshima and Nagasaki but claim there didn't need to be a Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
 
coco said:
They had nothing left. What was USA frightened of. Just bomb them conventionally. No need for atomic bombs. All they needed was time. They did surrender one week after the second atomic bomb. They would of surrendered if it was dropped or not.
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Order of battle... Kyushu

Japan
Second General Army (Field Marshal Shunroku Hata)
16th Area Army (Lt. Gen. Yokoyama Isamu) (600,000 men)
Northern Kyūshū—56th Army (Lt. Gen. Ichiro Shichida) (365,000)[2]
145th Division
312th Division
351st Division
124th Independent Mixed Brigade
57th Division (20,000 men)
4th Tank Brigade
Southeastern Kyūshū—57th Army (Lt. Gen. Nishihara Kanji) (150,000 men):
Tanegashima—109th Independent Mixed Brigade (5,900 men)
Miyazaki—154th Division, 156th Division, 212th Division[2] (55,000 men)
Ariake—86th Division, 98th Independent Mixed Brigade, 1 regiment, 3 infantry battalions (29,000 men)
25th Division, 5th Tank Brigade, 6th Tank Brigade[2]
Southwestern Kyūshū—40th Army (Lt. Gen. Nakazawa Mitsuo) (85,000 men):
303rd Division (12,000 men) (Sendai)
206th Division (Fukiage)
146th Division, 125th Independent Mixed Brigade (S. Satsuma Peninsula)
77th Division[2] 1 tank regiment
216th Division[2] 4 brigades
Air General Army (Gen. Masakazu Kawabe)
Sixth Air Army — Kyūshū
5,000 aircraft assigned as kamikazes, 5,000 aircraft available for kamikaze service, 7,000 aircraft in need of repair
100 Koryu-class midget submarines, 250 Kairyu-class midget submarines, 1,000 Kaiten manned torpedoes, 800 Shinyo suicide boats



Yep... Nothing
 
Fledermaus said:
Order of battle... Kyushu

Japan
Second General Army (Field Marshal Shunroku Hata)
16th Area Army (Lt. Gen. Yokoyama Isamu) (600,000 men)
Northern Kyūshū—56th Army (Lt. Gen. Ichiro Shichida) (365,000)[2]
145th Division
312th Division
351st Division
124th Independent Mixed Brigade
57th Division (20,000 men)
4th Tank Brigade
Southeastern Kyūshū—57th Army (Lt. Gen. Nishihara Kanji) (150,000 men):
Tanegashima—109th Independent Mixed Brigade (5,900 men)
Miyazaki—154th Division, 156th Division, 212th Division[2] (55,000 men)
Ariake—86th Division, 98th Independent Mixed Brigade, 1 regiment, 3 infantry battalions (29,000 men)
25th Division, 5th Tank Brigade, 6th Tank Brigade[2]
Southwestern Kyūshū—40th Army (Lt. Gen. Nakazawa Mitsuo) (85,000 men):
303rd Division (12,000 men) (Sendai)
206th Division (Fukiage)
146th Division, 125th Independent Mixed Brigade (S. Satsuma Peninsula)
77th Division[2] 1 tank regiment
216th Division[2] 4 brigades
Air General Army (Gen. Masakazu Kawabe)
Sixth Air Army — Kyūshū
5,000 aircraft assigned as kamikazes, 5,000 aircraft available for kamikaze service, 7,000 aircraft in need of repair
100 Koryu-class midget submarines, 250 Kairyu-class midget submarines, 1,000 Kaiten manned torpedoes, 800 Shinyo suicide boats



Yep... Nothing
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Watch out for sumo. And dont forget the samurai.
 
braindrain said:
More lies and nonsense from one of the forums biggest America hating CTers. Why am I not surprised.
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Honestly, is this the best retort you can scrape off the bottom of the cesspit that is your history?

There has been nothing in human history, as rotten, as corrupt, as deceitful to any nation that has ever existed in the country you live! Even the senate and Cesar has rules. Law to abide, by, your lot just lie, murder, torture, assassinate, any and all, there is no saving grace of America, it's time has passed.
 
Fledermaus said:
The link you added does not support your claim....

Quote where it states "Russia offered Japan's unconditional surrender"
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Seven of the eight five-star US generals and admirals in 1945 opposed using the atomic bomb against Japan. One of them, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, later said that “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

Your Zionist won the day.....and dropped the bombs, American military at this time wasn't run by zionists....as it is now!

Link
 
Professor Peter Kuznick: I respond that that's a crock of sh*t. That is disgraceful that people in 2020, with all the evidence that we have, can still be mouthing those inane platitudes and that justification. That is not only ignorant, it's fundamentally immoral. But we hear it all the time. I'm shocked at an intelligent and informed professor would repeat that today. I could give you example, after example of people who mouthed that ignorant mythology. The reality, if anybody takes their time to look at the documents, is very, very different.
 
Truman told me it was agreed they would use it only to hit military objectives. Of course, then they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could, which was just what they wanted all the time”.
 
Nuking of Japan Was ‘Totally Unnecessary’ and Didn't End World War II, US Historian Explains - Sputnik International


Professor Peter Kuznick: The problem now is that we still depend on nuclear weapons. And they're just as insane now as they were back in 1945. Especially in the hands of Donald Trump, who tears up the JCPOA, the Iran nuclear deal, in 2018; tears up the INF Treaty (the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty) in 2019; tears up the Open Skies Treaty; says he wants to do away with the New START Treaty. He says he doesn't like it. That's the last piece of arms control architecture that's left, the New START Treaty that expires in February 2021. And if that doesn't get renewed, we're going to be backing into a Cold War-style nuclear arms race. That’s insanity. Especially at a time when we know what nuclear winter means.

We've got 14,000 nuclear weapons, almost all of which are between seven and 80 times as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb. So the estimate is that could lead to up to two billion deaths [due to the resulting nuclear winter]. I mean that, so I'm just saying that as a species, if even a fraction of those weapons were used, we'd be toast.
 
Highlanders calm down. Yes you and me agree that the a bomb was not needed. Am i right in assuming that.
 
It was murder of the most peaceful civilians that ever lived. .
 
Although there is a strange sex thing in Japan. When i was there, there was school girls offering dates. Talking dates and no more according to them. It was very strange.
 
Highlanders said:
Seven of the eight five-star US generals and admirals in 1945 opposed using the atomic bomb against Japan. One of them, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, later said that “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

Your Zionist won the day.....and dropped the bombs, American military at this time wasn't run by zionists....as it is now!

Link
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The link you gave supported what I said. Not what you said.

Where do you get your history from?

And your new "Link" isn't.
 
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