Why We Can’t Trust Christians To Run ANYTHING.

[Logicman]

There is no spirit. No soul or mind without a physical body. Damage to the brain changes people degradation of the brain completely changes you.

Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit.

Plenty of jewish scholars disagree as worshipping a person or human as divine is not something they agree with.

There's plenty of Jews who do worship the divine Jesus Christ. They're known as Messianic Jews.

Alma isnt referring to a virgin but young woman.

Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? | Aish

Do Jews believe in Jesus? Read on to learn more about why for 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah.

www.aish.com

<chuckle>

Tell me - what other Hebrew word should have been used for virgin instead of alma / almah? If you can't identify that other word then you have nothing.

By the way, your anti-Jesus websites have a lot of misleading claims. For one thing, the scriptures clearly indicate that the Messiah would be God.

Messiah to be God / Divine - Rabbis agree

https://menorah.org/Messiah%20to%20be%20God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU

Your website is also lost when it claims the Servant of Isaiah 53 is Israel instead of the Messiah. Here's why that's nuts:

"The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: "Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!" He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had "done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!"

"The prophet speaking (in Isaiah 53) is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?"

Numerous other reasons why Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 in the following link:

CHAIM - A Reformed Ministry to Jewish People - PCA Recommended

Recommended by the PCA

chaim.org

Now, show me that other Hebrew word that clearly means virgin?

 

[Logicman]

Nah they just expect them to pray and stuff regardless of their personal beliefs.

It's all voluntary. I know because I served at a rescue mission for almost five years.

 

[Somerville]

Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit.



There's plenty of Jews who do worship the divine Jesus Christ. They're known as Messianic Jews.



<chuckle>

Tell me - what other Hebrew word should have been used for virgin instead of alma / almah? If you can't identify that other word then you have nothing.

[deleted attempt at preaching the WORD]

Now, show me that other Hebrew word that clearly means virgin?

Referring to the words of the prophet Isaiah for support of Christian beliefs about certain prophecies by using Messianic sources is not a good idea. Although Isaiah used the Hebrew word almah only one time in the book attributed to him (7:14), the prophet uses this word - betulah, when speaking of a virgin, five times in the Book of Isaiah (23:4; 23:12; 37:22; 47:1; 62:5). Almah should be translated as "young woman", sometimes "young person" without a gender reference.

 

[Somerville]

non-Logicman wrote:

By the way, your anti-Jesus website has a lot of misleading claims. For one thing, the scriptures clearly indicate that the Messiah would be God.

By the way, your anti-Jewish websites have a whole bunch of misleading claims. For one thing, it is only in the New Testament does the Messiah become God. Try reading the Complete Jewish Bible at BibleGateway.com

Another small point, one that is never properly answered; how can Jesus be a descendant of David and Solomon? There are some 'lovely' attempts to explain the rather obvious contradictory statements found in Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38, but I'll allow non-Logicman and/or others to provide a rational explanation.

 

[bomberfox]

Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit.



There's plenty of Jews who do worship the divine Jesus Christ. They're known as Messianic Jews.



<chuckle>

Tell me - what other Hebrew word should have been used for virgin instead of alma / almah? If you can't identify that other word then you have nothing.

By the way, your anti-Jesus websites have a lot of misleading claims. For one thing, the scriptures clearly indicate that the Messiah would be God.

Messiah to be God / Divine - Rabbis agree

https://menorah.org/Messiah%20to%20be%20God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU

Your website is also lost when it claims the Servant of Isaiah 53 is Israel instead of the Messiah. Here's why that's nuts:

"The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: "Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!" He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had "done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!"

"The prophet speaking (in Isaiah 53) is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?"

Numerous other reasons why Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 in the following link:

CHAIM - A Reformed Ministry to Jewish People - PCA Recommended

Recommended by the PCA

chaim.org

Now, show me that other Hebrew word that clearly means virgin?

The lack of another word for something does not make a word mean what you claim it does. Thats not how this works, you appear to like to fill in blanks without substantiating it. Facts are not a simple process of elimination.

Case in point, Almah is not referring to whether or not a woman has had sex or not, it refers to a stage in their biological growth.

Almah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Almah (עַלְמָה‎ ‘almāh, plural: עֲלָמוֹת‎ ‘ălāmōṯ, from a root implying the vigour of puberty [1]) is a Hebrew word for a young woman of childbearing age; despite its importance to the account of the virgin birth of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew, scholars agree that it has nothing to do with virginity.[2] It occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible.[3]


To debunk the claim of shelters you would need to show this to be true for more than your own shelter.

 

[bomberfox]

Referring to the words of the prophet Isaiah for support of Christian beliefs about certain prophecies by using Messianic sources is not a good idea. Although Isaiah used the Hebrew word almah only one time in the book attributed to him (7:14), the prophet uses this word - betulah, when speaking of a virgin, five times in the Book of Isaiah (23:4; 23:12; 37:22; 47:1; 62:5). Almah should be translated as "young woman", sometimes "young person" without a gender reference.

Or this yep Betula is the proper word thank you.

 

[Logicman]

Referring to the words of the prophet Isaiah for support of Christian beliefs about certain prophecies by using Messianic sources is not a good idea. Although Isaiah used the Hebrew word almah only one time in the book attributed to him (7:14), the prophet uses this word - betulah, when speaking of a virgin, five times in the Book of Isaiah (23:4; 23:12; 37:22; 47:1; 62:5). Almah should be translated as "young woman", sometimes "young person" without a gender reference.

So, "betulah" is your preferred Hebrew word for virgin. Not a good choice, Somerville.

For starters,

"betulah comes with a lot of baggage. For instance, a betulah can be an older woman, rather than a young maiden, since the betulah in Joel 1:8 is a married woman “grieving for the husband of her youth”. Additionally, the King’s concubines were referred to as betulahs even after they had spent the night with the king in Esther chapter 2. What’s more, when betulah is used in reference to Rebekah as a virgin (Genesis chapter 24) it came with the qualifier, “nor had any man known her.” The qualifier wasn’t necessary when almah was used. It should also be noted that an almah in ancient Judaism was always considered a virgin unless there was compelling evidence against her virginity."

The only word in Hebrew that can really signify a young maiden virgin is almah. Also, nowhere in Scripture is an almah seen as one who has lost her virginity.

Finally, when the Jewish rabbis translated the Jewish Tanakh into the Greek (Greek Septuagint) they used the Greek word for virgin “parthenos” – in Isaiah 7:14. That’s the same Greek word from which we get Parthenon- i.e. the Temple of the Virgin Athena!

The Immanuel Prophecy

by Pete Righter Overview: The date: 735 BC. Israel, aka “Ephraim” (consisting of the northern ten tribes of Israel, i.e. the “Northern Kingdom”) and Judah – aka &#8220…

righterreport.com

 

[bomberfox]

Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit.



There's plenty of Jews who do worship the divine Jesus Christ. They're known as Messianic Jews.



<chuckle>

Tell me - what other Hebrew word should have been used for virgin instead of alma / almah? If you can't identify that other word then you have nothing.

By the way, your anti-Jesus websites have a lot of misleading claims. For one thing, the scriptures clearly indicate that the Messiah would be God.

Messiah to be God / Divine - Rabbis agree

https://menorah.org/Messiah%20to%20be%20God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU

Your website is also lost when it claims the Servant of Isaiah 53 is Israel instead of the Messiah. Here's why that's nuts:

"The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: "Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!" He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had "done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!"

"The prophet speaking (in Isaiah 53) is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?"

Numerous other reasons why Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 in the following link:

CHAIM - A Reformed Ministry to Jewish People - PCA Recommended

Recommended by the PCA

chaim.org

Now, show me that other Hebrew word that clearly means virgin?

Anti jesus lolz. You clearly wear your bias proudly but no, claiming the messiah or that god would become a man is rather blasphemous.

 

[Logicman]

The lack of another word for something does not make a word mean what you claim it does. Thats not how this works, you appear to like to fill in blanks without substantiating it. Facts are not a simple process of elimination.

Case in point, Almah is not referring to whether or not a woman has had sex or not, it refers to a stage in their biological growth.

Almah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Almah (עַלְמָה‎ ‘almāh, plural: עֲלָמוֹת‎ ‘ălāmōṯ, from a root implying the vigour of puberty [1]) is a Hebrew word for a young woman of childbearing age; despite its importance to the account of the virgin birth of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew, scholars agree that it has nothing to do with virginity.[2] It occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible.[3]


To debunk the claim of shelters you would need to show this to be true for more than your own shelter.

Not surprised you couldn't come up with a better word for virgin than alma.

Here's more info for your edification on that.

Why We Can’t Trust Christians To Run ANYTHING.

There is no spirit. No soul or mind without a physical body. Damage to the brain changes people degradation of the brain completely changes you. Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit. Plenty of jewish scholars disagree as worshipping a person or human as...

debatepolitics.com

 

[bomberfox]

So, "betulah" is your preferred Hebrew word for virgin. Not a good choice, Somerville.

For starters,

"betulah comes with a lot of baggage. For instance, a betulah can be an older woman, rather than a young maiden, since the betulah in Joel 1:8 is a married woman “grieving for the husband of her youth”. Additionally, the King’s concubines were referred to as betulahs even after they had spent the night with the king in Esther chapter 2. What’s more, when betulah is used in reference to Rebekah as a virgin (Genesis chapter 24) it came with the qualifier, “nor had any man known her.” The qualifier wasn’t necessary when almah was used. It should also be noted that an almah in ancient Judaism was always considered a virgin unless there was compelling evidence against her virginity."

The only word in Hebrew that can really signify a young maiden virgin is almah. Also, nowhere in Scripture is an almah seen as one who has lost her virginity.

Finally, when the Jewish rabbis translated the Jewish Tanakh into the Greek (Greek Septuagint) they used the Greek word for virgin “parthenos” – in Isaiah 7:14. That’s the same Greek word from which we get Parthenon- i.e. the Temple of the Virgin Athena!

The Immanuel Prophecy

by Pete Righter Overview: The date: 735 BC. Israel, aka “Ephraim” (consisting of the northern ten tribes of Israel, i.e. the “Northern Kingdom”) and Judah – aka &#8220…

righterreport.com

Yeahh translating from another language yields a high amount of errors. See the many translation from English to x language to english songs.

 

[bomberfox]

Not surprised you couldn't come up with a better word for virgin than alma.

Here's more info for your edification on that.

Why We Can’t Trust Christians To Run ANYTHING.

There is no spirit. No soul or mind without a physical body. Damage to the brain changes people degradation of the brain completely changes you. Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit. Plenty of jewish scholars disagree as worshipping a person or human as...

debatepolitics.com

I dont need to. You need to demonstrate that it means virgin, it clearly does not. Almah does not imply virginity.

 

[RAMOSS]

And there's plenty of spiritually-challenged dilettantes who think Jesus isn't the Great God and Messiah.

Why, you are making 'spiritually challenged' sound like a good thing

 

[bomberfox]

Strong's Hebrew: 1331. בְּתוּלִים (bethulim) -- Virginity

 

[Logicman]

non-Logicman wrote:

By the way, your anti-Jewish websites have a whole bunch of misleading claims. For one thing, it is only in the New Testament does the Messiah become God. Try reading the Complete Jewish Bible at BibleGateway.com

LOL. Lots of Jews are expecting their Messiah today. If one should appear (other than Jesus) what do you think his genealogy would look like? So it's easy to second guess the NT.

In addition, the Messiah is to be God https://menorah.org/Messiah to be G...tDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU That's the little gem that always gets you skeptics confused.

Another small point, one that is never properly answered; how can Jesus be a descendant of David and Solomon? There are some 'lovely' attempts to explain the rather obvious contradictory statements found in Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38, but I'll allow non-Logicman and/or others to provide a rational explanation.

See above.

 

[Logicman]

Why, you are making 'spiritually challenged' sound like a good thing

Only in your dreams.

 

[RAMOSS]

Well, you wouldn't know about that since you don't have the Holy Spirit.



There's plenty of Jews who do worship the divine Jesus Christ. They're known as Messianic Jews.



<chuckle>

Tell me - what other Hebrew word should have been used for virgin instead of alma / almah? If you can't identify that other word then you have nothing.

By the way, your anti-Jesus websites have a lot of misleading claims. For one thing, the scriptures clearly indicate that the Messiah would be God.

Messiah to be God / Divine - Rabbis agree

https://menorah.org/Messiah%20to%20be%20God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU

Your website is also lost when it claims the Servant of Isaiah 53 is Israel instead of the Messiah. Here's why that's nuts:

"The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: "Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!" He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had "done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!"

"The prophet speaking (in Isaiah 53) is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?"

Numerous other reasons why Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 in the following link:

CHAIM - A Reformed Ministry to Jewish People - PCA Recommended

Recommended by the PCA

chaim.org

Now, show me that other Hebrew word that clearly means virgin?

Gosh, the word in hebrew the clearly means vigin is בְּתוּלָה

 

[RAMOSS]

Only in your dreams.

That doubly reinforces it, because my dreams are good.

 

[bomberfox]

LOL. Lots of Jews are expecting their Messiah today. If one should appear (other than Jesus) what do you think his genealogy would look like? So it's easy to second guess the NT.

In addition, the Messiah is to be God https://menorah.org/Messiah to be God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU That's the little gem that always gets you skeptics confused.



See above.

The literal translation of the Hebrew word mashiach (המשיח‎, messiah), is 'anointed', which refers to a ritual of consecrating someone or something by putting holy oil upon it. It is used throughout the Hebrew Bible in reference to a wide variety of individuals and objects; for example, kings, priests and prophets, the altar in the Temple, vessels, unleavened bread, and even a non-Jewish king (Cyrus the Great).[19]
In Jewish eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil, to be king of God's kingdom, and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or a pre-existent divine Son of God. He is considered to be a great political leader that has descended from King David, hence why he is referred to as Messiah ben David, 'Messiah, son of David'. In Judaism, the messiah is considered to be a great, charismatic leader that is well oriented with the laws that are followed in Judaism.[20] He will be the one who will not "judge by what his eyes see" or "decide by what his ears hear."[21]

 

[Logicman]

Anti jesus lolz. You clearly wear your bias proudly but no, claiming the messiah or that god would become a man is rather blasphemous.

The bias is yours and comes from a life of misunderstanding the Bible.

God has appeared in history as a man numerous times in the Old Testament. Those are called theophanies. Genesis chapter 32 is just one example.

Glad to help you out!

 

[Logicman]

The literal translation of the Hebrew word mashiach (המשיח‎, messiah), is 'anointed', which refers to a ritual of consecrating someone or something by putting holy oil upon it. It is used throughout the Hebrew Bible in reference to a wide variety of individuals and objects; for example, kings, priests and prophets, the altar in the Temple, vessels, unleavened bread, and even a non-Jewish king (Cyrus the Great).[19]
In Jewish eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil, to be king of God's kingdom, and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or a pre-existent divine Son of God. He is considered to be a great political leader that has descended from King David, hence why he is referred to as Messiah ben David, 'Messiah, son of David'. In Judaism, the messiah is considered to be a great, charismatic leader that is well oriented with the laws that are followed in Judaism.[20] He will be the one who will not "judge by what his eyes see" or "decide by what his ears hear."[21]

You know, it's not surprising the Jews of old did not recognize their Messiah. Fact is they rebelled against God constantly and even killed their own prophets. Then in the time of Jesus they suddenly have spiritual insight?

Here's more reasons why Israel missed their own Messiah.

Why Israel Missed its Messiah

By Pete Righter Two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ appeared on the world scene in Israel. Individual Gospel / New Testament authors record him healing the sick, raising the dead, ushering in a ‘N…

righterreport.com

By the way, God bless Messianic Jews, who do worship Jesus as their Lord God and Messiah!

 

[Somerville]

LOL. Lots of Jews are expecting their Messiah today. If one should appear (other than Jesus) what do you think his genealogy would look like? So it's easy to second guess the NT.

In addition, the Messiah is to be God https://menorah.org/Messiah to be God-Divine.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2A_ViEM59AHbtDA3mzxUugseyekcJSB_oiTuJ07FyX29p4gWfMdxAOadU That's the little gem that always gets you skeptics confused.



See above.

Yet another failure on your part to actually answer questions. Have fun - time for me to work.

 

[Logicman]

Yet another failure on your part to actually answer questions. Have fun - time for me to work.

Your betulah follies were busted. Big time. And it looks like you didn't learn a thing from it.

 

[bomberfox]

You know, it's not surprising the Jews of old did not recognize their Messiah. Fact is they rebelled against God constantly and even killed their own prophets. Then in the time of Jesus they suddenly have spiritual insight?

Here's more reasons why Israel missed their own Messiah.

Why Israel Missed its Messiah

By Pete Righter Two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ appeared on the world scene in Israel. Individual Gospel / New Testament authors record him healing the sick, raising the dead, ushering in a ‘N…

righterreport.com

By the way, God bless Messianic Jews, who do worship Jesus as their Lord God and Messiah!

Lol! Right report? You kidding me? That myth was the motivation for several pogroms. I’d expect better if you want to justify that story.

---

 

[bomberfox]

Your betulah follies were busted. Big time. And it looks like you didn't learn a thing from it.

Nope. The problem with you is you trust completely the translations between three languages which tends to be more error prone the more languages it is filtered through.

 

[bomberfox]

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

Now in order to be the messiah, he would have had to fulfill at least these four qualifications. These have not been fulfilled.