Why us grounded,rational people don't trust the science

[KLATTU]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

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Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:

It is not normalcy that the USA needs but a renewed national mission. To restore confidence in the federal government, the first priority will be simply to provide accountability to the American people. The US federal government must take ownership and responsibility for its domestic failures and limitations. In order to foster trust, there must be transparency and a commitment to facilitate the involvement and self-determination of Americans. Finally, there must be representation that reflects the composition of the American people—for all of those who have been excluded or silenced, it is essential to give them a voice.

We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

 

[swing_voter]

Your posts seems like it's all over the place.

What are you saying?

 

[Decypher]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers.

More fool me for reading past this stupidity.

 

[Logical1]

There are few climate scientist. The rest are political left wing hacks.

 

[rickc]

Right wing propaganda is very effective

 

[Torus34]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

Hi!

Thank you for your highly informative post.

Would you be so kind as to do me a great favor? If I send you my tinfoil hat along with return postage, could you autograph it and return it to me?

Thank you again.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

Reminder. I try to respond to all who quote my posts. If You do not get a response from me, it may be that you've made it onto my 'Ignore' list.

 

[The Old Soul]

Grounded rational people study science, then make their own decision on what is valid and what's not. Try it, you'll like it!

 

[rickc]

Grounded rational people study science, then make their own decision on what is valid and what's not. Try it, you'll like it!

And they aren't trump supporters

 

[Drawdown]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

Okay here is it for me in a nutshell:

Me: "Interesting but not necessarily proof. Awful lot we don't know. We need more research into this before drawing a conclusion"

AGW: "Denier!Denier!Denier! We don't need more research we already know and this proves it...."

And my all-time favorite

Me: "The Greenland Ice core studies shows that it has been warmer in Greenland during human civilization and prior to us using oil"

PersonX: "Why you are no climate scientist. You know nothing about ice core samples because we don't know if they are even accurate!!!" and "Greenland is one place. It is not global"

Fews days later in different thread:

PersonX: "The Greenland ice core sample conclusively prove that global warming is real and it is worsening!!!!"

 

[KLATTU]

Your posts seems like it's all over the place.

What are you saying?

I'm saying

If You do not get a response from me, it may be that you've made it onto my 'Ignore' list.

AWWW shucks . What a shame that would be.

 

[Decypher]

There are few climate scientist. The rest are political left wing hacks.

What percentage would you say?

 

[Decypher]

I'm saying

AWWW shucks . What a shame that would be.

Congratulations on killing your own thread 10 posts in.

 

[ultmd]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance: E


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

KLATTU, you say some really dumb things, and express a lot of really ignorant opinions.

The above just might be the worst bit of "word salad" you've every posted here. Every word of it is baseless or just objectively wrong.

For starters, your "proof" that Science and Medical professionals are "almost all partisan left wingers"...........is an OPINION PIECE.....written by a well-known RIGHTWING PARTISAN lawyer....at the well-known CONSERVATIVE Center on Human Exceptionalism think tank....which is itself a part of the CONSERVATIVE Discovery Institute......and it is published by the disgraced, CONSERVATIVE National Review publication.

Let me repeat...you just posted an OPINION piece, written by a CONSERVATIVE LAWYER (not a well-known, well-respected scientist or a doctor).....as your "proof" of "liberal" bias in science/mediciine.

And you think THAT proves that research scientists and clinical physicians are "almost all partisan left wingers"??

Sorry, but that's the "logic" of an uneducated rightwing ideologue...and, as such, not credible. In fact, they are laughable.

What people like you don't understand...and absolutely hate....is that Science and Medicine are NOT "partisan". We are just committed to producing objective, verifiable, reproducible FACTS.....and the facts tend to conflict wit the rhetoric, ideology and agenda of uneducated right wing types, like you.

 

[Lisa]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

People who don't trust science used to have nicknames, such as "HS dropout" and "I have to go to summer school to repeat biology and chemistry class.

 

[vegas giants]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

I love that the left controls science now too.


The right is simply weak and powerless

 

[Logical1]

Okay here is it for me in a nutshell:

Me: "Interesting but not necessarily proof. Awful lot we don't know. We need more research into this before drawing a conclusion"

AGW: "Denier!Denier!Denier! We don't need more research we already know and this proves it...."

And my all-time favorite

Me: "The Greenland Ice core studies shows that it has been warmer in Greenland during human civilization and prior to us using oil"

PersonX: "Why you are no climate scientist. You know nothing about ice core samples because we don't know if they are even accurate!!!" and "Greenland is one place. It is not global"

Fews days later in different thread:

PersonX: "The Greenland ice core sample conclusively prove that global warming is real and it is worsening!!!!"

So what is the science behind the fact that in the years 1000 to 1200 the earth was warmer than it is now. Vikings were farming southern Greenland. Traces of that fact have been found.

 

[distraff]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

You are a conspiracy theorist, not a grounded rational person.

 

[Lisa]

So what is the science behind the fact that in the years 1000 to 1200 the earth was warmer than it is now. Vikings were farming southern Greenland. Traces of that fact have been found.

It's known as the midieval warm period.

Vikings are often depicted as hardy folk and fearsome warriors, but they were not immune to the harsh realities of the northern latitudes. Archaeological evidence suggests that Viking migrations around the North Atlantic were highly influenced by climate, with new settlements being colonized during warm periods and abruptly abandoned during colder times. However, according to a new study of glacial movements in Greenland during the time of Viking occupation, the local climate may have been just as cold when the Vikings arrived as when they left 400 years later. The finding may further shrink the area thought to have been affected by the Medieval Warm Period.


The Vikings migrated from Iceland to Greenland in A.D. 985, with roughly 3,000 people eventually settling in the new land. The timing coincides with the Medieval Warm Period, a time of mild temperatures well documented in Europe between 950 and 1250. Between 1360 and 1460, however, around the time of the Little Ice Age, the Viking colonies in Greenland disappeared, leaving behind few clues as to why they were abandoned.


To study the changing climate in Greenland during the Viking occupation, a team led by Nicolás Young of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory sampled terminal moraines left behind by past glaciers in southwestern Greenland and across Baffin Bay on Baffin Island. Isotopic analyses of the surfaces of boulders in the moraines allowed the team to determine when glaciers had originally transported and deposited the moraines at their current locations. “This method is most often used to trace glaciers several thousand to several tens of thousands of years ago,” Young says. “Our goal was to see if this method could be used on younger glacial deposits.”

Did the Medieval Warm Period welcome Vikings to Greenland?

What are you afraid of happening if we address the current climate warming?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Your posts seems like it's all over the place.

What are you saying?

that he's brilliant?

 

[Guyzilla]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

All right wingers lie together. So, all REAL scientists are NOT right wingers. Doesnt prove a thing.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

You're not a grounded or rational person. A rational person seeks the opinions of experts on matters they don't understand.

If 9/10 boiler experts tell you that you need to replace your boiler because it's going to explode, a rational person replaces the boiler.

 

[Drawdown]

So what is the science behind the fact that in the years 1000 to 1200 the earth was warmer than it is now. Vikings were farming southern Greenland. Traces of that fact have been found.

Oh you mean what is the relevance of evidence that recent X year or Y year isn't the "Hottest on Record"? Probably nothing.

 

[switt]

Nothing new here, the powers that be have persecuted the scientists for eons when the science might threaten their authority.

The Italian astronomer and physicist Galileo Galilei was trialed and convicted in 1633 for publishing his evidence that supported the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

 

[element94]

As I've brilliantly and famously said about Climate science, the 'scientists' are almost all partisan left wingers. Thus they speak as political advocates instead of objective scientist far too often.
While this isn't climate science , you can be sure the editors at those journals feel exactly the same.

Read this incredibly inappropriate editorial by the now disgraced Lancet.

Lancet Medical Journal Goes All In for Progressive Politics | National Review

The oldest medical journal in the world has published a jeremiad editorial clearly aimed against reelecting Donald Trump.

www.nationalreview.com

The USA in 2020 continues to experience unrest borne out of these still-open wounds: violence against people of colour, vast income inequality, immigration restrictions, and gender barriers, as well as a continuing devaluation of science. Under the banner of making America great again, the Trump administration has pursued regressive nationalist policies, rolled back protections for individuals, labour, and the environment, and withdrawn from international agreements and multilateral organisations, such as WHO. Led by a relentless agenda of deregulation and dysregulation, America has retreated from its once prominent position of leadership and abandoned its beneficence. With the election, Americans have the power to address these issues, both at home and around the world, by eschewing the falsehood of nostalgia.


Who cares what a medical journal from across the Pond thinks about our regulatory and immigration policies? And what in the world does that have to do with the practice of medicine? More pertinently, editorializing about pure politics is well outside The Lancet’s area of expertise.

49
Even more disturbingly, the editorial implies that it might support a post election approach disturbingly similar to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich’s call for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to give evil Trump officials their due comeuppance:


We are continually told, “Follow the science!” That requires trust that “the science” is not ideologically founded or selected.

The Lancet’s foray into pure politics materially threatens the public’s perception that the journal will be an objective conveyor of accurate and pertinent medical information. Physician, heal thyself!


[LOUD, UPROARIOUS STANDING OVATION]

Oh good, another far right-wing link. So predictable. If you guys can whine about left leaning links I can whine about right-wing propaganda.

 

[KLATTU]

I love that the left controls science now too.

DUH.

They are academics. What are academics ? Left.Geez -bubble much?