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Why Trump?

Hard to argue against Rex's point.

True. I think that a lot of people realize trump is a lot of those things, pitchman, blowhard, reality show guy etc etc... A lot of people though are so sick of the broken promises and same old same old that they are willing to give him a shot.
 
Surrounded by a competent cabinet, Trump couldn't possibly do any worse than Obama. Too many people think this way and say, "might as well give it a shot."
 
Surrounded by a competent cabinet, Trump couldn't possibly do any worse than Obama. Too many people think this way and say, "might as well give it a shot."

I'm not sure what your point is.
 
Of the three, Rubio, Cruz and Trump, he's the most likable. But to be honest, that ain't saying much. I think he needs a little more salt and pepper.

A bit more experience. Yeah, I can see that.

However, when it comes to policy and expressing it, communicating it clearly and easily understood, Rubio does that probably the best of all the candidates since the beginning. A strong point of his, I'm thinking. I think that Kasich is a close second on that count.
 
Surrounded by a competent cabinet, Trump couldn't possibly do any worse than Obama. Too many people think this way and say, "might as well give it a shot."

I do believe that Trump has already said that he'd pull in a world class cabinet to delegate to and to obtain advice from, I recall Bush in a debate telling Trump that you can't out source / consult leadership and judgement, and he's right about that. There are somethings that you can't rely on a consultant for.

Isn't it a CEO skill to know what you don't know, know what you need to make up for it, know who does, and get them on your team?
 
Surrounded by a competent cabinet, Trump couldn't possibly do any worse than Obama. Too many people think this way and say, "might as well give it a shot."

The argument is that much of the government almost completely runs itself, that it is so big that one 4 year president can not have much of a lasting impact on it, and there are checks and balances...for instance Trump will have $0 to control because Congress does that. Even if Trump was this evil idiot the doomed elite want us to believe he is he could not do much. We sure believe that he would at least keep us out of stupid wars, at least he will be a lot better than Bush. And it goes without saying he will be better than The Professor, that ****ing prick who has lead America to the edge of revolution.

Let's give it a whirl!
 
A bit more experience. Yeah, I can see that.

However, when it comes to policy and expressing it, communicating it clearly and easily understood, Rubio does that probably the best of all the candidates since the beginning. A strong point of his, I'm thinking. I think that Kasich is a close second on that count.

Kasich's experience and his moderate positions make him likable for this liberal. He is way more pragmatic than Trump. And he comes off as a strong leader. Cruz is a religious nut job. Rubio is a pretty boy and strikes me as just too young yet. He is bright and articulate.
 
Kasich's experience and his moderate positions make him likable for this liberal. He is way more pragmatic than Trump. And he comes off as a strong leader. Cruz is a religious nut job. Rubio is a pretty boy and strikes me as just too young yet. He is bright and articulate.

Looks like on this particular subject we are on the same page.

What a choice, between a known liar, a far left socialist, a bombast, a religious nut job, a pretty boy, a pragmatic, and a brilliant doctor but limited political and leadership experience.

From all of the above, the pragmatic should win, but this isn't a normal campaign nor a normal election, nor the normal electorate.
 
Looks like on this particular subject we are on the same page.

What a choice, between a known liar, a far left socialist, a bombast, a religious nut job, a pretty boy, a pragmatic, and a brilliant doctor but limited political and leadership experience.

From all of the above, the pragmatic should win, but this isn't a normal campaign nor a normal election, nor the normal electorate.

I love Bernie's passion to stick it to Wall Street. The political system is broken. And until such time that the lobbying power of WS is neutered we are screwed. Bernie 's vision isn't all bad. I love the idea of a free college education. I have one recent graduate with debt and another on her heels. I am of the belief this country is screwed if we don't make it easier for kids to excel. I have no problem with the idea of required community/country service a year or two in return.

Socialism, just like conservatism isn't all bad. Social Security has saved the lives of millions and millions of Americans.

As the old saying goes..all things in moderation...including moderation
 
There's something that may be overlooked.

If we project ourselves on the American voting populace, we will be making an error, as we here at the forum mostly think things out within the political arena.

It appears that many Trump supporters are connecting with him, not so much on the particulars of the issues, but on his underlying emotional state that's exhibited when he presents.

Trump is angry, he is emotionally a bit below average, and he is afraid, afraid of foreign-like things outside America .. and foreign-like things within America.

That just described a huge chunk of Americans.

Trump is, in effect, mesmerizing them into supporting him, connecting with them on an unconscious emotional level.

And though he's not as eloquent or passionate in style, the effect he has on .. perhaps the majority of those who'll vote in November .. is reminiscent of that guy from about 80 years ago.

It is time to be worried .. .. very worried.
 
Trump is, in effect, mesmerizing them into supporting him, connecting with them on an unconscious emotional level.

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ya ya, like a lot of coastal elite believe that the NRA has a mind meld with those idiots in the fly over states which makes it so they cant scrub out a section of the Constitution, I know.

No doubt your explanation for how JFK ended up dead is a riot.

The point is the real people like you and me like Trump. neither voodoo, magic nor God are required to explain the attraction.
 
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I love Bernie's passion to stick it to Wall Street. The political system is broken. And until such time that the lobbying power of WS is neutered we are screwed.

I'll agree that WS has made a mess of things in recent years, and that the politicians have been chasing after WS money, diverting themselves from their true responsibilities, which is what's in the electorate's best interests, not necessarily WS's best interests. If the elected get that mixed up, you end up with legislative and regulatory abortions such ad Dodd-Frank. Legislation and regulations need to be clean, clear, simple, and easy and cheap to comply with - in essence, they need to make common sense, and in the last oh, 20 years, they haven't.

Bernie 's vision isn't all bad. I love the idea of a free college education. I have one recent graduate with debt and another on her heels. I am of the belief this country is screwed if we don't make it easier for kids to excel. I have no problem with the idea of required community/country service a year or two in return.

A year or two of community service isn't going to pay back a 4 year college degree, and I also agree that we need to figure out how to help support the young to excel.

However, Bernie 's vision of free college isn't any good. Who's going to foot the bill? Yet more blood from the already over taxed middle class? The same ones that haven't had a raise in 10 - 15 years? (Not as if you can go and mandate such from DC either). Once college education is free, it will have lost the majority of it's value, and likely the college's response will be to water down the curricula and knowledge, so that it's little more than a more expensive version of high school.

Socialism, just like conservatism isn't all bad. Social Security has saved the lives of millions and millions of Americans.

As the old saying goes..all things in moderation...including moderation

A matter of degree I suppose. Yes, there are some things that socialism bring, such as you mention, which are of benefit, but you can't kill the host, and you can't have too many negative unforeseen consequences (something the legislators really suck at, and are never held accountable for).
 
Excellent comment by Rex.

Our 2 party system has been intellectually and morally bankrupt for years, and many know that. Trump has taken advantage of that failure.

The Trump movement reminds me of the Know Nothings a century ago.

Excellent point.

Funny, when I was watching Rex's excellent video, I could not help but wonder if this is (somewhat) how Hitler got started. A huge political vacuum filled by the candidate who can shout the loudest and insult the longest. It seems drumming up hate wins elections during tough times.

Now, Trump is obviously not nearly as bad as Hitler was. But he is espousing some of the same nonsense - let's keep out Muslim's, let's tariff the horrible Chinese to death, let's force Mexico (who send us rapists) to build a wall and let's kill innocent families of terrorists.

Trump is not about new ideas. He is about drumming up hatred, courting anyone he can (even white supremacists) and using it during dark political times to get into the White House.

And if he succeeds, heaven help us all.
 
I'm seriously beginning to really dislike Trump. At first I was on the fence, but now I'm starting to fall off...
 
I'll agree that WS has made a mess of things in recent years, and that the politicians have been chasing after WS money, diverting themselves from their true responsibilities, which is what's in the electorate's best interests, not necessarily WS's best interests. If the elected get that mixed up, you end up with legislative and regulatory abortions such ad Dodd-Frank. Legislation and regulations need to be clean, clear, simple, and easy and cheap to comply with - in essence, they need to make common sense, and in the last oh, 20 years, they haven't.



A year or two of community service isn't going to pay back a 4 year college degree, and I also agree that we need to figure out how to help support the young to excel.

However, Bernie 's vision of free college isn't any good. Who's going to foot the bill? Yet more blood from the already over taxed middle class? The same ones that haven't had a raise in 10 - 15 years? (Not as if you can go and mandate such from DC either). Once college education is free, it will have lost the majority of it's value, and likely the college's response will be to water down the curricula and knowledge, so that it's little more than a more expensive version of high school.



A matter of degree I suppose. Yes, there are some things that socialism bring, such as you mention, which are of benefit, but you can't kill the host, and you can't have too many negative unforeseen consequences (something the legislators really suck at, and are never held accountable for).

Good morning, Erik. :2wave:

:thumbs: I wish I could give more than one like on this post, but since I can't, please accept two "thumbs up" instead, okay? :thumbs:
 
First I'm not voting for Trump, but I find him hilarious in debates, simply because he is NOT the typical politician, there is no PC with him. Secondly, I wonder about the electoral college. I was taught that the whole premise of the college is to protect the country, and that if the american people vote with the popular vote a candidate that threatens this country, then it will vote against popular vote. It has like what, 3 or 4 times in our nation's history?

Just something to think about.
You are incorrect, sir. The reason for the electoral college is so large, populous states like, for example, California and New York, don't have an undue influence on an election that would otherwise be an election of total votes without an electoral college. What you are describing is an influence by, for example, large donors and politicians who want elections influenced their way.

Some American elections were influenced with beer. A voter who voted for a particular candidate received a free beer. I betcha there were many drunken and rowdy voters on election day back then. Now the voter gets no acknowledgement (seemingly until the next election) and the big donors and influence peddlers are 'drunk' with power. Another reason for Trump's popularity. Populism. A candidate actually listens to voters? Who would've thunk? Maybe Trump will establish a new trend in elections?

Here's a funny sidenote to this: I once ran into a person who was dismayed that people had to go to college to cast electoral votes. I kept from laughing but told them electoral college was a figure of speech.
 
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Good morning, Erik. :2wave:

:thumbs: I wish I could give more than one like on this post, but since I can't, please accept two "thumbs up" instead, okay? :thumbs:

Good morning, Polgara. :2wave: Cheers to you!
 
This spiraled away from Trump a little.
One note on the "free college" which is really like "free healthcare" is that if you actually take Bernie's complete plan then the .5 to 1 % flip most of the bill. I don't personally feel sorry for them but that's just me.
I might still be just as likely to pencil in Alton Brown (it was Morgan Freeman but he went rogue and supports Hillary so he would likely not accept the nomination) as I am to vote for Sanders but I didn't want his position half represented in the thread.

I think that the "reality TV America" theory is not far off and its something I've stated before as his approval rises with the more outlandish, rude, and obligatory the man gets. Americans prioritize EVERYTHING under entertainment. The running of our country comes in second to a really good brawl.
As someone who watches the debates, I see it exemplified by the amount of time the debate spends outlining the roadmap each candidate has for the country compared to the mud wrestling that happens.
When this is allowed to continue how can anyone argue that it doesn't exemplify the American mindset?

Edit: To be clear, the Republicans do not have a monopoly on this priority of Entertainment over Substance.
 
Isn't it a CEO skill to know what you don't know, know what you need to make up for it, know who does, and get them on your team?
A CEO cannot know "everything" about his company. He cannot be in the know about every little widget. Every single employee. Every little nuance. That's what managers are for. For Trump, his "managers" will be his cabinet. A competent cabinet can bring him the information he needs, and the CEO is there to make informed decisions on them.

Anyone who's got capable decision-making skills can be president (unless it's a megalomaniacal king-wannabe who starts dishing out executive decisions). Quite honestly, I think all the candidates on both sides are decent decision makers. However, I don't want one biased towards socialist agendas. I don't want one who's got more scandals attached to her than fingers on both hands. I don't want an "establishment puppet," nor someone who has theocratic tendencies.
 
A CEO cannot know "everything" about his company. He cannot be in the know about every little widget. Every single employee. Every little nuance. That's what managers are for. For Trump, his "managers" will be his cabinet. A competent cabinet can bring him the information he needs, and the CEO is there to make informed decisions on them.
Hey Elvis, yeah, that was a rhetorical question, as I am very much in agreement with your take on this.
Anyone who's got capable decision-making skills can be president (unless it's a megalomaniacal king-wannabe who starts dishing out executive decisions). Quite honestly, I think all the candidates on both sides are decent decision makers. However, I don't want one biased towards socialist agendas. I don't want one who's got more scandals attached to her than fingers on both hands. I don't want an "establishment puppet," nor someone who has theocratic tendencies.

Yeah, that sounds a lot like where I'm 'at' too. Cheers.
 
why Trump???

1) he's right about illegal Mexican libsocialist voters and the wall to keep them out

2) he's right about bombing ISIS before they bomb us into the stone age with anthrax

3) he can win by stealing the middle class Democratic vote by promising to get their jobs back from China Mexico and Japan
 
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