On Tuesday we learned -- thanks to a redaction error in a filing in the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference -- that Paul Manafort met with a Russian-linked operative named Konstantin Kilimnik during the course of the 2016 campaign. And in that meeting, according to special counsel Robert Mueller's office, Manafort discussed policies related to the Russia-Ukraine relationship and shared polling data about the 2016 campaign with Kilimnik.
That. Is. Huge.
Manafort, according to the filings, had conversations with Kilimnik, who is suspected to be a member of the Russian intelligence organization, while he was serving as the head of Trump's campaign.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump-robert-mueller/index.html
Of course, the cultists will disagree. But, come on. Let's be real here.
Yes, it is ****ing HUGE!
It's slam dunk Huge.
The president's men conspired with foreign spies to steal an election.
Hate to tell ya, but that should be more than impeachable, more than incarcerationable, and certainly not forgivable.
1. Before you get all giddy with excited glee, how about you wait for proof that Manafort gave polling data to anyone. At this point, this is nothing more that a claim by the Mueller team that is supported by an unidentified third party. Heck, Mueller won't even let the defense see the evidence. "Trust me, Judge...we have the evidence."
2. But hey...let's say some polling data was given to a Russian. So what? Releasing polling data isn't against the law. The data isn't classified.
So no...there is nothing to suggest that anybody connected to Trump "conspired with foreign spies to steal an election." If Manafort did anything, I think he was bragging to the Russian...showing him how Trump is going to win.
btw, if Kilimnik is "suspected to be a member of the Russian intelligence organization", maybe y'all should worry about getting beyond a suspicion on that first. That would certainly help you spin your speculation.
Of course, the cultists will disagree. But, come on. Let's be real here.
Yes, it is ****ing HUGE!
It's slam dunk Huge.
The president's men conspired with foreign spies to steal an election.
Hate to tell ya, but that should be more than impeachable, more than incarcerationable, and certainly not forgivable.
All I want to hear from you is "I'm sorry. I was wrong."
Will have to prove a trump knew about what manafort was doing because it's also possible manafort was doing it to cure his debt to the Russian. But it's possible both are true
If both are true then it's all over for Trump
If done knowing what they were doing, it would be participating in this established criminal conspiracy:2. But hey...let's say some polling data was given to a Russian. So what?
No one claimed it was. Nor is it relevant.Releasing polling data isn't against the law.
No one claimed it was. Nor is it relevant.The data isn't classified.
See above, the conspiracy. If Manafort knowingly assisted the Russians in their illegal conspiracy against the United States, he would be a part of that conspiracy.So no...there is nothing to suggest that anybody connected to Trump "conspired with foreign spies to steal an election."
That's not necessary, why do we have to meet your irrelevant and arbitrary desires?btw, if Kilimnik is "suspected to be a member of the Russian intelligence organization", maybe y'all should worry about getting beyond a suspicion on that first. That would certainly help you spin your speculation.
1. Before you get all giddy with excited glee, how about you wait for proof that Manafort gave polling data to anyone. At this point, this is nothing more that a claim by the Mueller team that is supported by an unidentified third party. Heck, Mueller won't even let the defense see the evidence. "Trust me, Judge...we have the evidence."
2. But hey...let's say some polling data was given to a Russian. So what? Releasing polling data isn't against the law. The data isn't classified.
So no...there is nothing to suggest that anybody connected to Trump "conspired with foreign spies to steal an election." If Manafort did anything, I think he was bragging to the Russian...showing him how Trump is going to win.
btw, if Kilimnik is "suspected to be a member of the Russian intelligence organization", maybe y'all should worry about getting beyond a suspicion on that first. That would certainly help you spin your speculation.
Cambridge Analytica, a political data firm hired by President Trump’s 2016 election campaign, gained access to private information on more than 50 million Facebook users. The firm offered tools that could identify the personalities of American voters and influence their behavior.
Cambridge has been largely funded by Robert Mercer, the wealthy Republican donor, and Stephen K. Bannon, a former adviser to the president who became an early board member and gave the firm its name. It has pitched its services to potential clients ranging from Mastercard and the New York Yankees to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html
If done knowing what they were doing, it would be participating in this established criminal conspiracy:
The internet research indictment of Russians had this as its primary conspiracy:
Conspiracy to Defraud the United States - defendants [aka Russia] *along with others*, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impairing, obstruction, and defeating the lawful functions of the FEC, the DOJ, and State Department in administering federal requirements for disclosure of foreign involvement in certain domestic activities.
No one claimed it was. Nor is it relevant.
No one claimed it was. Nor is it relevant.
See above, the conspiracy. If Manafort knowingly assisted the Russians in their illegal conspiracy against the United States, he would be a part of that conspiracy.
Since we do know he lied about it and tried to cover it up, there appears to be evidence of intent (knowing).
Whether they can prove it and bring charges for it, is a separate question.
That's not necessary, why do we have to meet your irrelevant and arbitrary desires?
How much is Putin paying you for spouting the party line at every turn? BTW Sharing stolen Facebook data weaponized by Cambridge Analytica with a foreign power who is attempting to influence our elections is called a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and is a serious felony.
What I have yet to see anyone acknowlege, this was not ordinary "availabale to anyone" polling data. This was the kind campaigns pay big money for to gather demographic data to aim the campaign. Even then, not sure of the legality of sharing it itself, but it certainly would prove "criminal compiracy" aka "COLLUSION" So yes, there was INDEED collusion, as if anyone in the right mind listening to Trump's denials didn't know that anyway.:roll:
Did Manafort steal the polling data from the campaign? If not, then giving it to whomever they decide to give it to is not illegal.
But you still have to prove that 1.) He gave anything to anyone. And, 2) he gave it to someone connected to the Russian government. And, 3) He did it to "collude" or "conspire" for some reason.
Have fun trying to prove all that. Heck, if Mueller had been able to do that, he wouldn't have bothered with decades-old charges.
Why did he do it?
How much is Putin paying you for spouting the party line at every turn? BTW Sharing stolen Facebook data weaponized by Cambridge Analytica with a foreign power who is attempting to influence our elections is called a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and is a serious felony.
What I have yet to see anyone acknowlege, this was not ordinary "availabale to anyone" polling data. This was the kind campaigns pay big money for to gather demographic data to aim the campaign. Even then, not sure of the legality of sharing it itself, but it certainly would prove "criminal compiracy" aka "COLLUSION" So yes, there was INDEED collusion, as if anyone in the right mind listening to Trump's denials didn't know that anyway.:roll:
As many stated early and often: Russian trolls would never have known who to target with what info if not for Trump campaign collusion. Trump research found the dummies; Russians fed them fake news.
Of course, the cultists will disagree. But, come on. Let's be real here.
Yes, it is ****ing HUGE!
It's slam dunk Huge.
The president's men conspired with foreign spies to steal an election.
Hate to tell ya, but that should be more than impeachable, more than incarcerationable, and certainly not forgivable.
All I want to hear from you is "I'm sorry. I was wrong."
All I want to hear from you is "I'm sorry. I was wrong."
LOL!!
If you want to establish "conspiracy", you have to prove some connection to conspirators on the other side. That means you have to prove that Kilimnik is connected to those conspirators.
So yes...it is absolutely necessary. You can't charge someone with conspiring to commit a crime with someone if you cannot prove that someone is connected to the crime.
Also, you have to prove that the data that might have been passed along (that's another thing you'll have to prove...that data was actually passed along) was for the purpose of defrauding the US.
So...before you start counting coup against Trump, you have a LOT that needs to be proven...not to mention proving that Trump took part in any of this.
I'll leave you to it. Get back to me when you have evidence, eh?
LOL!!
If you want to establish "conspiracy", you have to prove some connection to conspirators on the other side. That means you have to prove that Kilimnik is connected to those conspirators.
So yes...it is absolutely necessary. You can't charge someone with conspiring to commit a crime with someone if you cannot prove that someone is connected to the crime.
Also, you have to prove that the data that might have been passed along (that's another thing you'll have to prove...that data was actually passed along) was for the purpose of defrauding the US.
So...before you start counting coup against Trump, you have a LOT that needs to be proven...not to mention proving that Trump took part in any of this.
I'll leave you to it. Get back to me when you have evidence, eh?
Do you ever get tired of making up spin that in some way in your own tiney mind exonerates trump from any of the crimes he has committed that are completely obvious to any rationale person???
Facebook and everyone else was selling personal data....that is how they make their money.....all the Russians needed to get that information was money...... So No.
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