Why The Gun Control Debate is Over

[Phys251]

Oh goodie! You still had some rusty cliche left in your bag!

Your posts are boring. Can't you pick it up a little?

 

[RF667799]

Your posts are boring. Can't you pick it up a little?

You keep coming back, which kind of puts the lie to your complaint.

 

[Phys251]

You keep coming back, which kind of puts the lie to your complaint.

Your boring posts are making me sleepy...

 

[mrjurrs]

"But kids are dying!" is such a lame false dichotomy.

Maybe the most ironic part of the gun debate is that liberals believe that the average citizen (who takes the necessary legal precautions) should have their rights to own modest modern weaponry limited, but that same citizen can vote for wars where we hurl missiles at peasants in mud huts, arm the local police with military grade equipment, and vote for other policy with far more violent consequences.

How does it follow that a citizenry is competent enough to participate in the democracy of the world's most powerful empire, but it is not competent enough to own a rifle? Lobbying against this is not only offensive to the American foundational mythos, but it also demonstrates that so much of liberal progressivism is devoid of rational consistency and instead relies on increasingly absurd false dichotomies in pursuit of a catatonic, will-less citizenry that forfeits freedoms for creature comforts.

That's easy for anyone that understands how a republic works. Citizens vote for representation that they believe will promote their interests. Citizens don't vote for military action.

 

[RF667799]

Your boring posts are making me sleepy...

You're singing yourself to sleep with your tired refrains. "Bully" card three times. "Boring" cliche twice now.

 

[Phys251]

You're singing yourself to sleep with your tired refrains. "Bully" card three times. "Boring" cliche twice now.

^ You're not helping me stay awake.

 

[RF667799]

That's easy for anyone that understands how a republic works. Citizens vote for representation that they believe will promote their interests. Citizens don't vote for military action.

Of course they do. Many votes in elections are predicated on the candidates' positions on various military actions.

 

[RF667799]

^ You're not helping me stay awake.

Three times. I'll see if I can help us discontinue the song you find so boring.

 

[compote_tom]

I'm saddened by this so called conversation. Instead of discussing a very important topic, it devolved to an argument between two posters.

As a father and grandfather I am very concerned about school safety. I have 4 grandchildren in school and a family member in education. There seems to be one crowd that reacts that any firearm safety legislation is immediately leading to total confiscation.

I am a gun owner and have been my entire life. However, I do support reasonable firearm safety. I don't profess to know the answer but I daresay that anyone who has lost a loved one in a mass shooting has plenty of regrets. To me one child gunned down at school is too many and I believe if we came together and sought to find solutions we probably could. Of course, what ever action is taken will not produce immediate results, and we may never completely stop mass shootings but if society would try and work together we could make school safer. I can't imagine the grief and pain of sending your child to school one morning only to have to bury that child afterwords.

There's a side who says taking guns away is no answer, but the reality is that if these individuals couldn't access guns these tragedies wouldn't happen.

I've read many times that gun control doesn't work, just look at Chicago. Well, I worked several times in downtown Chicago and stayed in Indiana (where guns are easily available). So I see that argument as silly.

We can find solutions, but it won't be easy and both sides would have to come to the table with open minds and a willingness to compromise. I our current political climate I don't see that happening.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a nurse that was from India and was Hindu, I ask her about the Hindu/Muslim conflict and she responded. It's the politicians who keep it stirred up. She said she had Muslim neighbors who were "wonderful people" and their children played together. My point is we need to seek solutions rather than winning political points with a certain group or "base". As long as we take turns stirring up hate for the other side we won't get anything but hate.

 

[RF667799]

I'm saddened by this so called conversation. Instead of discussing a very important topic, it devolved to an argument between two posters.

As a father and grandfather I am very concerned about school safety. I have 4 grandchildren in school and a family member in education. There seems to be one crowd that reacts that any firearm safety legislation is immediately leading to total confiscation.

I am a gun owner and have been my entire life. However, I do support reasonable firearm safety. I don't profess to know the answer but I daresay that anyone who has lost a loved one in a mass shooting has plenty of regrets. To me one child gunned down at school is too many and I believe if we came together and sought to find solutions we probably could. Of course, what ever action is taken will not produce immediate results, and we may never completely stop mass shootings but if society would try and work together we could make school safer. I can't imagine the grief and pain of sending your child to school one morning only to have to bury that child afterwords.

There's a side who says taking guns away is no answer, but the reality is that if these individuals couldn't access guns these tragedies wouldn't happen.

I've read many times that gun control doesn't work, just look at Chicago. Well, I worked several times in downtown Chicago and stayed in Indiana (where guns are easily available). So I see that argument as silly.

We can find solutions, but it won't be easy and both sides would have to come to the table with open minds and a willingness to compromise. I our current political climate I don't see that happening.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a nurse that was from India and was Hindu, I ask her about the Hindu/Muslim conflict and she responded. It's the politicians who keep it stirred up. She said she had Muslim neighbors who were "wonderful people" and their children played together. My point is we need to seek solutions rather than winning political points with a certain group or "base". As long as we take turns stirring up hate for the other side we won't get anything but hate.

I'm a gun owner but....(lengthy screed follows without a single positive point from the gun owner position)

 

[tobytone]

Explain what was factually incorrect about @Grand Mal's post.

ummm geeee idunnoo maybe the part where he/she/they claims the 'gun culture' (by the left's definition I am a part of) teaches little children to wipe blood on their face to trick attackers. Haven't seen that handbook, maybe you could provide it or any evidence of such a absurd statement. Then again, I'm finding that most here just need a place to spout there hate and vent their frustrations for losing so badly. There are fewer places where the left can stroke their fragile egos. Trump brilliantly shined the light on the corrupt press and most people are now aware of the lies and fabrications spouted daily on MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. CNN was beat by the cartoon network last week. lol. Trump beat the media, hollywood, left wing universities, Presidential Candidates (3 of them), the senate, on and on and on, and he is YOUR President for the next 4 years and then, I hate to tell you but Vance will be next followed by any one of the Trump kids. OUCH That's gotta hurt.

 

[Phys251]

ummm geeee idunnoo maybe the part where he/she/they claims the 'gun culture' (by the left's definition I am a part of) teaches little children to wipe blood on their face to trick attackers. Haven't seen that handbook, maybe you could provide it or any evidence of such a absurd statement. Then again, I'm finding that most here just need a place to spout there hate and vent their frustrations for losing so badly. There are fewer places where the left can stroke their fragile egos. Trump brilliantly shined the light on the corrupt press and most people are now aware of the lies and fabrications spouted daily on MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. CNN was beat by the cartoon network last week. lol. Trump beat the media, hollywood, left wing universities, Presidential Candidates (3 of them), the senate, on and on and on, and he is YOUR President for the next 4 years and then, I hate to tell you but Vance will be next followed by any one of the Trump kids. OUCH That's gotta hurt.

Word salads are not intelligent comments.

 

[tobytone]

Word salads are not intelligent comments.

Excellent come back. It's a great salad full of fun facts. Do you think Don Jr. will be President before or after Laura Trump? Maybe Eric, he's great too, tough choices, what do you think.

 

[Phys251]

Excellent come back. It's a great salad full of fun facts. Do you think Don Jr. will be President before or after Laura Trump? Maybe Eric, he's great too, tough choices, what do you think.

^ Less of a word salad, but still devoid of anything useful.

 

[tobytone]

^ Less of a word salad, but still devoid of anything useful.

I think after Vance it will likely be Don Jr and then Laura Trump, I can see it now, the 1st female President in history LAURA TRUMP!!! Seriously would you vote for Laura Trump so we can finally have a female President?

 

[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

@RF667799 @Phys251, knock it off.