Why should I work? (1 Viewer)

[Paradoxical]

Listen I'm just asking, do you think I'm not working?

As I said, I wasn't referring to you and your post referred to people you know. FWIW, I grew up poorer than most black families today and saw what it is that makes people poor. Like it or not, it is a mindset and a victim mentality. Your friends are victims instead of victors. We have to overcome our problems and troubles and live as if government and no one else will help us. We have to live with grit and determination that we must take care of ourselves and our own problems and make a decision of what it is WE have to do to make our lives better. Give a man food and shelter and he will not hunt.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I work a job where that's a very common question. Most of the people I work with struggle with getting a good job and for some of them they don't see the point in getting a job at all, other than to survive. What I mean is when I ask why should I work isn't "what do I need to do to survive?". This means threatening them with reduced benefits won't stop them from needing benefits. It just means they go without something they need. It's "why should I put in the time and energy to a job where they won't pay me enough to live and not just survive"? This is especially important because if I'm trying to convince someone to get a job that pays enough they might lose out on essential services they've been relying on to survive. In other words I'm asking them to take a serious risk when there's no real benefit to be seen. To say nothing if there aren't actually any good paying jobs in their area or the jobs are only temp or only part-time with no benefits.

So genuine question, why should a person work, especially when they know that it's not in their best interests to do so?

Is this you choice housing situation?

 

[Lord of Planar]

And whose fault do you think that is that so many folks struggle day to day? The government? It's not, it's corporate America but the right wants to blame the government if a democrat is in office.

But it is the governments fault. Corporations do what is best for them by the laws and regulations they must follow. The government makes these laws and regulations.

It is president Clinton's fault. He signed into law the global free trade agreements that have had out union wage manufacturing jobs move to other countries.

 

[Lord of Planar]

As I said, I wasn't referring to you and your post referred to people you know. FWIW, I grew up poorer than most black families today and saw what it is that makes people poor. Like it or not, it is a mindset and a victim mentality. Your friends are victims instead of victors.

This is so true. Having a victim mentality is self-limiting.

We have to overcome our problems and troubles and live as if government and no one else will help us. We have to live with grit and determination that we must take care of ourselves and our own problems and make a decision of what it is WE have to do to make our lives better. Give a man food and shelter and he will not hunt.

This is why I want government to stop with the increasing socialism.

It is better to teach a man to fish rather than to give him a fish. Democrats are like wolves on this victim mentality, and play it to its fullest for votes and power.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Is this you choice housing situation?

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No I'm homeless due to an unsafe apartment for me to live in. Why do you ask?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

As I said, I wasn't referring to you and your post referred to people you know. FWIW, I grew up poorer than most black families today and saw what it is that makes people poor. Like it or not, it is a mindset and a victim mentality. Your friends are victims instead of victors. We have to overcome our problems and troubles and live as if government and no one else will help us. We have to live with grit and determination that we must take care of ourselves and our own problems and make a decision of what it is WE have to do to make our lives better. Give a man food and shelter and he will not hunt.

Why are you talking about my friends? What are you going on about? Honestly, what you're saying sounds less like government policy and more like you're trying to cope with your own life and how it turned out. I mean I hate to ask but did you read the OP before posting?

 

[Paradoxical]

I'm often Centrist in ideology, lead my personal life fairly Conservatively, but as can be seen my "Social Democrat" moniker - I'm often Liberal in my public policy.

So let my exhibit my Liberal Policy chops by saying, "There's an easy way out of this!"

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"Universal Basic Income + Single-payer Healthcare"

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That's all you need. That solves the whole mess.

Means-based social assistance is a very bad and counterproductive thing! If a societal benefit is worth giving, it's worth giving to all.

Reference:

Universal basic income - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Single-payer healthcare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would be a disaster. The UBI would allow for laziness and contempt. When you get something for free it expected and demanded. More and more people would drop out of the workforce and do drugs, play video games, go to the beach and we would have a zombie society.

 

[Paradoxical]

Why are you talking about my friends? What are you going on about? Honestly, what you're saying sounds less like government policy and more like you're trying to cope with your own life and how it turned out. I mean I hate to ask but did you read the OP before posting?

Yes, I did read it. People who are poor are there because of the choices they made earlier in life and now.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No I'm homeless due to an unsafe apartment for me to live in. Why do you ask?

I don't know what to say, but once a person is homeless, it is very difficult to get on their feet again. I hope someone is helping you.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Yes, I did read it. People who are poor are there because of the choices they made earlier in life and now.

Well that's just terribly wrong but neither here nor there. So why should a person work?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I don't know what to say, but once a person is homeless, it is very difficult to get on their feet again. I hope someone is helping you.

I have people in my life who are helping me. For lack of better words I've been without stable housing for the past 10 or so odd years. By that I mean I end up being homeless again within a couple of years of getting stable housing. I've never had to be in a shelter or on the street, or even in my car but I don't doubt my clients effort in getting stable housing.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I work a job where that's a very common question. Most of the people I work with struggle with getting a good job and for some of them they don't see the point in getting a job at all, other than to survive. What I mean is when I ask why should I work isn't "what do I need to do to survive?". This means threatening them with reduced benefits won't stop them from needing benefits. It just means they go without something they need. It's "why should I put in the time and energy to a job where they won't pay me enough to live and not just survive"? This is especially important because if I'm trying to convince someone to get a job that pays enough they might lose out on essential services they've been relying on to survive. In other words I'm asking them to take a serious risk when there's no real benefit to be seen. To say nothing if there aren't actually any good paying jobs in their area or the jobs are only temp or only part-time with no benefits.

So genuine question, why should a person work, especially when they know that it's not in their best interests to do so?

Here is your answer......

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Here is your answer......

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A beautiful piece of art?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

A beautiful piece of art?

Now you just answered quite well why you have a terrible job, and unlikely to get a better one.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes, I did read it. People who are poor are there because of the choices they made earlier in life and now.

I would agree that people who stay poor fit that category. Everyone has the means to better their life. To what extent, hard work is needed and luck also plays a role.

I grew up poor also, but my father was a shining example of dedication and hard work. I would not be as well of as I am today if not for his example. Too many people keep telling the poor it is other people's fault, and not tell them that they can make a difference if they try.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Now you just answered quite well why you have a terrible job, and unlikely to get a better one.

I like my job actually. I have a good job that pays well enough for my needs. I won't lie, I don't know the point you're trying to make. It's 7 in the morning. I'm still not up yet.

I would agree that people who stay poor fit that category. everyone has the means to better their life. To what extent, hard work is needed and luck also plays a role.

I grew up poor also, but my father was a shining example of dedication and hard work. I would not be as well of as I am today if not for his example. Too many people keep telling the poor it is other people's fault, and not tell them that they can make a difference if they try.

If it's not too personal I would like to ask a question of you.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I like my job actually. I have a good job that pays well enough for my needs. I won't lie, I don't know the point you're trying to make. It's 7 in the morning. I'm still not up yet.



If it's not too personal I would like to ask a question of you.

Well, I may or may not answer then.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I like my job actually. I have a good job that pays well enough for my needs. I won't lie, I don't know the point you're trying to make. It's 7 in the morning. I'm still not up yet.

If you like your job then why did you ask "why am I working" and whine about having to do it?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Well, I may or may not answer then.

I'll ask and you can decide.

In the past year, would you say that you could have afforded an emergency expense of $500 without having to use a credit card, sell things off, or go into debt?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

If you like your job then why did you ask "why am I working" and whine about having to do it?

Did you read the OP?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Did you read the OP?

Did you write the OP?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Did you write the OP?

You would know if you read the OP. Please go read the OP and when you have, let me know. I think I'm up to like 5 people in the thread who did not read the OP before thinking I'm not working.

 

[Paradoxical]

Well that's just terribly wrong but neither here nor there. So why should a person work?

@Chomsky here says we need a basic income. If we had that, why should people work? The answer is that people would NOT work if there was a guaranteed basic income. This is not the way life was set up to be but is what the far left wants. This leads to laziness, slothfulness, contempt on both sides., From those who do work and have to pay people who do not work but can, and those who get a UBI (call it welfare, SNAP) hating the "rich" because they have more than they do.

WHY should a person work? To survive is why. If you are disabled physically or mentally that is one thing. If you are physically able to work, you should and must. I don't care what it is. Painting houses, carpentry, yard clean up. Studies have shown that when people get enough money (from others) to live on, they will not work at all. Some will do side jobs to get a little more money, but they will not better themselves by studying and learning what it is they have to do to make money. They become dependent which is what those in power want.

At one point in life, I worked two jobs. I didn't like it at all, but I disliked not having money more. Do you suppose that someone who gets free money would work two jobs? Now extend that to a guaranteed income. Do you suppose people will work even ONE job if they get enough to live on? You should be upset at the Democrats. They spent like drunken sailors on illegals. In California they allocated 6 billion to homeless people. They have no clue what happened to the money. That 6 billion could have gone to CITIZENS to train them in a new trade.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You would know if you read the OP. Please go read the OP and when you have, let me know. I think I'm up to like 5 people in the thread who did not read the OP before thinking I'm not working.

I didn't say you are not working. In fact I said this type of thinking is why you are in a seemingly dead end job.
You said you are surrounded by people who make very little money on your job. Stands to reason, you don't make much either if that is the case.
And then you went on a rant about why should they work? Which is the thought process of a 14 year old. I mean that literally, not as an insult.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

@Chomsky here says we need a basic income. If we had that, why should people work? The answer is that people would NOT work if there was a guaranteed basic income. This is not the way life was set up to be but is what the far left wants. This leads to laziness, slothfulness, contempt on both sides., From those who do work and have to pay people who do not work but can, and those who get a UBI (call it welfare, SNAP) hating the "rich" because they have more than they do.

WHY should a person work? To survive is why. If you are disabled physically or mentally that is one thing. If you are physically able to work, you should and must. I don't care what it is. Painting houses, carpentry, yard clean up. Studies have shown that when people get enough money (from others) to live on, they will not work at all. Some will do side jobs to get a little more money, but they will not better themselves by studying and learning what it is they have to do to make money. They become dependent which is what those in power want.

At one point in life, I worked two jobs. I didn't like it at all, but I disliked not having money more. Do you suppose that someone who gets free money would work two jobs? Now extend that to a guaranteed income. Do you suppose people will work even ONE job if they get enough to live on? You should be upset at the Democrats. They spent like drunken sailors on illegals. In California they allocated 6 billion to homeless people. They have no clue what happened to the money. That 6 billion could have gone to CITIZENS to train them in a new trade.

Okay, so basically you're saying is that if they were to get a job they would have a better life?