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You radical Obama-ite!
Grimm dear: I don't know why - but for some reason - and correct me if I'm wrong, by all means - but for some reason I think you don't like Romney.
Maybe it's the multi posts and complete focus on him at the moment - anything else on your mind lately that you'd like to share?
So you think that because I said 30% vote, and I was wrong by 20%, that invalidates my argument?
How?
Yes, don't vote for Mitt Romeny! :lol:
Wow you really don't understand!!
You think like a computer. It's interesting actually. You really don't comprehend the big picture at all.
Let me explain something to you son, since I am one of the more senior members on this forum.
If REDRESS and THE TURTLE agree on something and their agreement involves slapping your arguments around, its pretty much Iron clad truth your posts aren't making sense.
Its sort of like someone getting thrashed by both the militant IRA and the Ulster Defense League in Belfast
Let me explain something to you son, since I am one of the more senior members on this forum.
If REDRESS and THE TURTLE agree on something and their agreement involves slapping your arguments around, its pretty much Iron clad truth your posts aren't making sense.
Its sort of like someone getting thrashed by both the militant IRA and the Ulster Defense League in Belfast
Here is some assistance for you, from Townhall.Polls are one thing... here is why you can't go by robo-polls that are basically someone calling you at home asking for your opinion.
You don't win an election by winning independents and moderates. Those people don't vote anyway. They stay home.
You win an election by getting your base to turn out.
Only like 30% of Americans vote. The winner is the one that fires up his base.
Yeah, you clearly don't get along at all... :roll:
Polls are one thing... here is why you can't go by robo-polls that are basically someone calling you at home asking for your opinion.
You don't win an election by winning independents and moderates. Those people don't vote anyway. They stay home.
You win an election by getting your base to turn out.
Only like 30% of Americans vote. The winner is the one that fires up his base.
Let's try again.
You win an election by getting people to turn out. <--- Premise
The American people are ambivalent about elections. Many will not turn out. <---- Premise
Hard-liners are more likely to turn out than moderates <----- Premise
Party should elect candidate that appeals to hard-liners <---- Conclusion
You are ABSOLUTELY correct....which is why the GOP needs to nominate one of the completely wacko right-wingers like Santorum, Perry or Gingrich!
Yeah, you clearly don't get along at all... :roll:
All 3 premises are false.
You win an election by getting those who turn out to vote for you.
Ambivelant is the exact wrong word to describe voters.
Moderates are just as likely to turn out as the party faithful. They are also the ones who will decide the election. There is a reason why Obama polls worse against Romney than any other candidate. There is a reason why candidates run to the party extreme during primaries, and run to the center in a general election.
Turtle,
If Romney defeats Ron Paul in the primaries, should Libertarians vote for Romney or Gary Johnson in November?
I have forgotten more about politics than you will ever learn. and I suspect that would be true with Redress.
true believers have another term when it comes to elective politics and elections
LOSER
ya think? Just look at their extremist views. They are all clearly wacko right-wing.They are "wacko?"
Some people will turn out for some candidates and not turn out for others. Many conservatives will stay home if Romeny is the nominee, who otherwise would have gone to vote.
If half of Americans don't think it's worth their time to vote, what word other than "ambivalent" would describe the American electorate? Only 6% of Americans even know Mitt Romeny's real first name. People simply don't know or care much about politics.
Moderates are not just as likely to turn out as the "faithful." The "faithful" turn out precisely because they are "faithful."
At the end of the day, you have a group of Americans who care about politics, and a group who don't. The ones who do care are the ones who will vote, more or less. So to get a good turnout, have someone in there who appeals to the Americans who care.
Some people will turn out for some candidates and not turn out for others. Many conservatives will stay home if Romeny is the nominee, who otherwise would have gone to vote.
If half of Americans don't think it's worth their time to vote, what word other than "ambivalent" would describe the American electorate? Only 6% of Americans even know Mitt Romeny's real first name. People simply don't know or care much about politics.
Moderates are not just as likely to turn out as the "faithful." The "faithful" turn out precisely because they are "faithful."
At the end of the day, you have a group of Americans who care about politics, and a group who don't. The ones who do care are the ones who will vote, more or less. So to get a good turnout, have someone in there who appeals to the Americans who care.
ya think? Just look at their extremist views. They are all clearly wacko right-wing.
Some will stay home based on the choice no matter who is chosen. But, the popular choice will most likely still have the best chance to win in November. That is what it means to be the popular choice. If Paul won, I suspect republican turnout would be a much larger problem, and if Santorum won, moderate republican turnout would be trouble, not to mention Santorum would get killed by the moderate/independent voters. All the information we have so far suggests Romney is far and away the most likely to beat Obama in November. As a liberal, he is the one I fear the most.
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