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Why Registration Is Bad

DebateChallenge said:
And that's exactly why registration is bad, lots of lawmakers agree with you that the second amendment is not a right to own just any gun you want. Therefore they can ban a certain type of gun that was previously legal, AR rifles for instance, and if they're registered they would know where to go to seize all the AR rifles. Then lets say they ban handguns next, because of registration they would know where to go and who to visit to get all the handguns, and then if they want to ban bolt action rifles, because of registration they would know who to take the bolt action rifles from, and so forth. You get the point, don't you?

That is why registration is bad, if and when they ban a certain type of gun they know who has it and who to take it from.
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Or let's say registration leads to no straw sales and eventually its vey very hard for criminals to get guns. That would be great
 
vegas giants said:
Or let's say registration leads to no straw sales and eventually its vey very hard for criminals to get guns. That would be great
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Even without registration, if a straw sale is committed the gun can be traced by its serial number back to the dealership where it was sold and from there traced back to the person who made the straw purchase, so registration is not necessary for tracing straw purchases and it just gives the government another way of easily seizing people's formerly lawful guns if and when such guns are banned.
 
vegas giants said:
Lots and lots of people own guns in California. It is very easy to own a gun in California. The second amendment is not a right to own any gun any where. Don't believe me. Believe Scalia

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose
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Firearms "in common use for lawful purposes" are protected by the Second Amendment.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Even without registration, if a straw sale is committed the gun can be traced by its serial number back to the dealership where it was sold and from there traced back to the person who made the straw purchase, so registration is not necessary for tracing straw purchases and it just gives the government another way of easily seizing people's formerly lawful guns if and when such guns are banned.
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No it can't if it went thru private sales. You do not need to know who you are selling to in a private sale
 
vegas giants said:
And yet we have them currently
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Do you agree that regardless of the level of restriction supposedly allowed by Heller that bans go too far and are unconstitutional?
 
vegas giants said:
Why play this game when you know an amendment was added?
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Why make untrue statements? All it takes is an FFL and a letter from the police to purchase a post-ban machine gun.

A search on gunbroker.com for "post sample" returned 88 listings for post sample machine guns for sale.
 
Rucker61 said:
Why make untrue statements? All it takes is an FFL and a letter from the police to purchase a post-ban machine gun.

A search on gunbroker.com for "post sample" returned 88 listings for post sample machine guns for sale.
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That was made after 1986?
 
vegas giants said:
Everywhere. You can not buy a fully auto weapon made after 1986. They are completely banned
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Oh. You don't mean banning of all guns, just certain guns. Well, the SCOTUS did mention "unusually dangerous" weapons and ones not in general use by civilians. Perhaps a fully auto weapon made after 1986 is unusually dangerous. I really doubt that they are in general use by civilians. What about a howitzer? They're banned as well, you know.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh. You don't mean banning of all guns, just certain guns. Well, the SCOTUS did mention "unusually dangerous" weapons and ones not in general use by civilians. Perhaps a fully auto weapon made after 1986 is unusually dangerous. I really doubt that they are in general use by civilians. What about a howitzer? They're banned as well, you know.
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Actually with the appropriate permits you can own functioning howitzers etc....
 
Dittohead not! said:
Firearm registration could be used to raise revenue as well, maybe to pay reparations to families of people murdered by gun violence.
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A basic Constitutional right, which can be abused by confiscation, should be taxed (that's what you're implying registration would be)? And that would be a tax at the most basic level: possession...which the 2A ensures.
 
Lursa said:
A basic Constitutional right, which can be abused by confiscation, should be taxed (that's what you're implying registration would be)? And that would be a tax at the most basic level: possession...which the 2A ensures.
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A Constitutional right, which is not an absolute right.
 
Dittohead not! said:
A Constitutional right, which is not an absolute right.
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No, but the limitations on government power have been pretty well established by Cruikshank, Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano.
 
Rucker61 said:
No, but the limitations on government power have been pretty well established by Cruikshank, Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano.
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Yes, it has, more or less. How you interpret weapons that are "unusually dangerous" I'm not so sure. But, I don't recall registration being a part of any of those decisions, do you?
 
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