Why is the right-wing trusted on matters of sex, sexuality, gender, etc, after having gotten so much wrong?

[Dans La Lune]

I don't understand how the right-wing continues to be trusted or taken seriously on these issues after spending centuries persecuting gays and saying that their identity is a choice, a deviance, not something that is innate to them. It was only through progressive and civil rights advocacy that gays (even right-wingers like Peter Thiel, Dave Rubin) have gained acceptance in society.

Isn't this whole anti-transgender thing (bans, discrimination, bullying) just cutting the ladder off at the rung below you?

 

[Cameron]

I'm not sure conservatives have taken any social losses fully off the table, including women's rights and segregation, let alone more recent losses like gay marriage. They're just more quiet about it.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I'm not sure conservatives have taken any social losses fully off the table, including women's rights and segregation, let alone more recent losses like gay marriage. They're just more quiet about it.

Of course. The ultra right-wing SCOTUS said that they're going to revisit rulings that are predicated on Privacy Rights, which include contraception, gay rights and marriage.

 

[OrphanSlug]

"Why is the right-wing trusted on matters of sex, sexuality, gender, etc., after having gotten so much wrong?" The question is wrong.

There is no reason to trust MAGA Republicans with matters of sexuality, sex and gender, abortion, rights and privacy, the list goes on. The real fundamental problem is these issues, social issues, are not enough to campaign on when paired up against economic pain, perceptions of immigration, and perceptions of crime.

All of those topics will now have a social conservative backlash, elections have consequences.

 

[BirdinHand]

They aren’t

It’s just that the reality is that many Americans don’t care about civil rights and equality issues if it doesn’t directly impact them.

And Americans are more than happy to punch down and kick the proverbial ladder away from other individuals.

Because, at our core, Americans are selfish and incredibly driven by consumerism.

It’s a “joke” that we’d unplug Grandmom’s life support to charge a cell phone

 

[NatMorton]

I don't understand how the right-wing continues to be trusted or taken seriously on these issues after spending centuries persecuting gays and saying that their identity is a choice, a deviance, not something that is innate to them. It was only through progressive and civil rights advocacy that gays (even right-wingers like Peter Thiel, Dave Rubin) have gained acceptance in society.

Isn't this whole anti-transgender thing (bans, discrimination, bullying) just cutting the ladder off at the rung below you?

Rather ironic when you consider LGBTQ orthoroxy is steeped in cancel culture

 

[Cameron]

Rather ironic when you consider LGBTQ orthoroxy is steeped in cancel culture

Yeah, gays were metaphorically locked in closets by christian conservatives for centuries, and conservatives are currently hellbent on erasing trans people from culture and existence, but it's LGBTQ orthodoxy that is steeped in cancel culture.

 

[BabaVoss]

Who trusts them?

 

[zincwarrior]

Isn't this whole anti-transgender thing (bans, discrimination, bullying) just cutting the ladder off at the rung below you?

For many, this exuberance of the party for this extremely limited issue is problematic.

For example, calling someone a TERF for wanting to keep women's spaces separate can be viewed as outrageously extreme.

 

[Ganondagan]

Of course. The ultra right-wing SCOTUS said that they're going to revisit rulings that are predicated on Privacy Rights, which include contraception, gay rights and marriage.

Because they where based on wrongly decided precedent cases. We finally have a Supreme Court that understands we have a Constitution...thank God.

 

[NatMorton]

Yeah, gays were metaphorically locked in closets by christian conservatives for centuries, and conservatives are currently hellbent on erasing trans people from culture and existence, but it's LGBTQ orthodoxy that is steeped in cancel culture.

Yes, they are steeped in cancel culture. And of all groups, one would think they'd be more tolerant.

 

[Lisa]

Yes, they are steeped in cancel culture. And of all groups, one would think they'd be more tolerant.

Should non-whites be more tolerant of the Klan? Should Jews have been more tolerant of Nazis? Should atheists be more tolerant of militant clergy who seek to kill them for not believing? Why should LGBTQ people be tolerant of those who want to erase their existence?

For many, this exuberance of the party for this extremely limited issue is problematic.

For example, calling someone a TERF for wanting to keep women's spaces separate can be viewed as outrageously extreme.

TERFs are feminist bigots. That is what they are. They reject the existence of transgender people because of their denial of gender identity.

TERF is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. First recorded in 2008, the term TERF was originally used to distinguish transgender-inclusive feminists from a group of radical feminists who reject the position that trans women are women, reject the inclusion of trans women in women's spaces, and oppose transgender rights legislation.

Wiki/TERF

 

[mrjurrs]

I don't understand how the right-wing continues to be trusted or taken seriously on these issues after spending centuries persecuting gays and saying that their identity is a choice, a deviance, not something that is innate to them. It was only through progressive and civil rights advocacy that gays (even right-wingers like Peter Thiel, Dave Rubin) have gained acceptance in society.

Isn't this whole anti-transgender thing (bans, discrimination, bullying) just cutting the ladder off at the rung below you?

Because their position is based on fear, and fear works on those with narrow viewpoints.

 

[NatMorton]

Should non-whites be more tolerant of the Klan? Should Jews have been more tolerant of Nazis? Should atheists be more tolerant of militant clergy who seek to kill them for not believing? Why should LGBTQ people be tolerant of those who want to erase their existence?

One can be more tolerant than “the Klan” and still be objectively intolerant. In fact, I’m sure I could name somebody just like that.

 

[Lisa]

One can be more tolerant than “the Klan” and still be objectively intolerant. In fact, I’m sure I could name somebody just like that.

There is no reason to be tolerant of people who seek to erase the existence of others. That action would only rationalize their bigotry.

 

[NatMorton]

There is no reason to be tolerant of people who seek to erase the existence of others. That action would only rationalize their bigotry.

Accepting that one is intolerant is a good first step on the road to recovery.

 

[Lisa]

Accepting that one is intolerant is a good first step on the road to recovery.

Nobody should ever tolerate those who seek them dead or as less than equals.

You still have meltdowns over WOKE ideas and DEI that demands you treat others as equal.

 

[NatMorton]

Nobody should ever tolerate those who seek them dead or as less than equals.

That is a drama queen post. The intolerance you've shown in earlier messages is for much less than that. You literally want others fined or imprisoned because they do not agree or act on your particular definition of gender.

You still have meltdowns over WOKE ideas and DEI that demands you treat others as equal.

My posts on those subjects are not meltdowns. They're take-downs.

 

[BabaVoss]

My posts on those subjects are not meltdowns. They're take-downs.

Surest sign of a meltdown is the Black Knight insistence that you won.

 

[NatMorton]

Surest sign of a meltdown is the Black Knight insistence that you won.

Not a very rational observation. I may have strong arguments against trans orthodoxy or I may not. You're dismissing the former with absolutely no evidence, i.e., discounting the perfectly plausible explanation that the reason I say I have such arguments is because I do.

 

[Lisa]

That is a drama queen post. The intolerance you've shown in earlier messages is for much less than that. You literally want others fined or imprisoned because they do not agree or act on your particular definition of gender.

Its not my definition of gender. You want to claim is some form of nonsense of a faith-based definition, which is a scientific oxymoron, so you can continue to harass and discriminate against transgender people when you deny that gender identity does not exist, and as such can refer to them by their biological sex.

My posts on those subjects are not meltdowns. They're take-downs.

Nobody is melting down because you are being called out on your intellectually dishonest arguments.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Christianity

 

[Cameron]

Yes, they are steeped in cancel culture. And of all groups, one would think they'd be more tolerant.

The only thing the LGBT community wants to cancel is bigotry -- specifically, the act of using the government to deny marriages, jobs, housing, or equal treatment to other people simply because they disagree with life choices that don't affect them. When's the last time a gay person advocated for denying anyone the right to marry, to have kids? Don't be a bigot and you'll be fine. I know for a lot of you it feels like a lot to ask, but it's really not difficult.

 

[NatMorton]

The only thing the LGBT community wants to cancel is bigotry

Simply put, that is untrue. Speaking specifically for trans issues, this community seeks to impose its faith-based definition of gender on the rest of society.

 

[Blue Dog]

It is not a trust issue, it is a price of eggs issue….