Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[Metric Mouse]

They don't. That's what the first study from the OP says. The average gun store owner doesn't store their firearms safely.

But they are stored safely enough to prevent anyone from misusing them.

Like, 99.99 percent... or else there would be more deaths from the hundreds of millions of guns...

Heck, they are safer than cars, statistically spekaing.

 

[Metric Mouse]

If 50% of firearm owners don't keep their firearms properly stored according to the study, then 50% don't store their firearms safely. That's not a majority. Or at the very least, do you really want to be saying a sizable minority of firearm owners don't store their firearms safely?

I'm saying that the vast majority store them safely; as evidenced by the death rate of firearms.

If they were so unsafe, there would be fsr more gun deaths, statistically speaking.

And since most of those deaths are suicides, which means the owner still kept their gun safely, then there is a serious absence of deaths from unsafe storage, considering the relatively low number of deaths related to unsafe storage...

 

[Rich2018]

He revels in his ignorance.

LOL

Pot...kettle...black

Fusion versus Fission bomb radiation yields ?
Drones versus UAV's ?

You posting history is a litany of ignorance.

 

[RF667799]

LOL

Pot...kettle...black

Fusion versus Fission bomb radiation yields ?
Drones versus UAV's ?

You posting history is a litany of ignorance.

*Your*

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I'm saying that the vast majority store them safely; as evidenced by the death rate of firearms.

If they were so unsafe, there would be fsr more gun deaths, statistically speaking.

And since most of those deaths are suicides, which means the owner still kept their gun safely, then there is a serious absence of deaths from unsafe storage, considering the relatively low number of deaths related to unsafe storage...

Be more specific. What would you expect the death rate to be? What do you think is the per capita amount that gun deaths should be if they're either safe or unsafe?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

But they are stored safely enough to prevent anyone from misusing them.

Like, 99.99 percent... or else there would be more deaths from the hundreds of millions of guns...

Heck, they are safer than cars, statistically spekaing.

Be more specific than that. What exactly do you mean by "safer"?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Well I did tell you. Multiple times

Since it’s never happened nor has anyone ever experienced such as an instructor there is no policy.
Why do you think people are going to come for gun safety instruction when they are exhibiting self harm or homicidal behavior?

Yeah... that's silly.

1. Cool.
Frankly if you could critique it, you would be able to get a copy because you would have access to a research/school database.
I would bet your local library could access it for you.

I don't have either of those.

2. Except it wasn’t measured in your citation.
As my citations show, suicide completers are not impulsive such that a delay of 1 minute or less is going to make a difference .

Correct. Not sure where you're going there. Honestly it just comes across like you don't know what a gun lock is. Or how to change passwords/passcodes.

3. Well of course you are because you have nothing that shows that storing ammo and firearms in different locations reduces self harm

Other the air force suicide prevention manager saying means restrictions worked.

Frankly you are being absurd and you know it .

If you would like another collection of studies on impulsivity and suicide.

“Previous research and popular conceptualizations of suicide have posited that many suicides are the result of impulsive, “on a whim” decisions. However, recent research demonstrates that most suicides are not attempted impulsively, and in fact involve a plan”

Revisiting Impulsivity in Suicide: Implications for Civil Liability of Third Parties - PMC

Previous research and popular conceptualizations of suicide have posited that many suicides are the result of impulsive, “on a whim” decisions. However, recent research demonstrates that most suicides are not attempted impulsively, and in fact ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Right, which has no baring on means restrictions for suicide prevention. It's not impulsivity. It's about introducing restrictions and barriers to suicide.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

It was a very ignorant OP with zero facts. Just some random definitions.

Other than the studies you mean.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Other than the studies you mean.

Studies that used arbitrary definitions to come to a pre-determined conclusion. So, lies like most “gun control” studies.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Studies that used arbitrary definitions to come to a pre-determined conclusion. So, lies like most “gun control” studies.

Honestly I would say that you're just upset you keep getting called out on how you're not safe with firearms.

 

[rahl]

Honestly I would say that you're just upset you keep getting called out on how you're not safe with firearms.

It’s already been established that 99.9% of gun owners are safe with their firearms. So this thread is one giant face plant.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Honestly I would say that you're just upset you keep getting called out on how you're not safe with firearms.

I am perfectly safe with firearms. I carry a loaded firearm every day. I explained my logic on storage and you refused to actually debate me on it.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I am perfectly safe with firearms. I carry a loaded firearm every day. I explained my logic on storage and you refused to actually debate me on it.

I debated you on it. You said you couldn't do it safely every night. So I then said you can't be safe with the firearm.

If anything you haven't given me any indication that gun owners are safe with firearms.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I debated you on it. You said you couldn't do it safely every night. So I then said you can't be safe with the firearm.

If anything you haven't given me any indication that gun owners are safe with firearms.

Why the lie? I said that I choose not to manipulate the firearm to reduce the risk of negligent discharge. That is actually SAFER than what you want me to do.

Here is an idea. Go to a range. Take a class. And then you can debate from a position of knowledge.

 

[jaeger19]

Yeah... that's silly.



I don't have either of those.



Correct. Not sure where you're going there. Honestly it just comes across like you don't know what a gun lock is. Or how to change passwords/passcodes.



Other the air force suicide prevention manager saying means restrictions worked.



Right, which has no baring on means restrictions for suicide prevention. It's not impulsivity. It's about introducing restrictions and barriers to suicide.

1. Bingo
2. You don’t have a public library?
3. I am sorry but no I don’t get it. So I own a firearm and I have it locked say with gun lock.
Then you want me to change the gun lock to another passcode that I still know.

That doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.
But please explain how me changing my own passcode to another passcode known to me prevents me from using it for self harm.



4. No. Instead of wasting time and resources on “ restricting and barriers to suicide” in millions of people WHO ARE NOT SUICIDAL
Instead we need to use our time and energy to develop better mental health systems so people can get better healthcare so they don’t BECOME suicidal.
That will save lives regardless of the method.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

1. Bingo
2. You don’t have a public library?

So you're asking me to go to a public library to look up a source you should be able to provide yourself?

3. I am sorry but no I don’t get it. So I own a firearm and I have it locked say with gun lock.
Then you want me to change the gun lock to another passcode that I still know.

Or someone else can change it.

That doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.
But please explain how me changing my own passcode to another passcode known to me prevents me from using it for self harm.

If you can't get into the gun safe... then you can't use the gun.

4. No. Instead of wasting time and resources on “ restricting and barriers to suicide” in millions of people WHO ARE NOT SUICIDAL
Instead we need to use our time and energy to develop better mental health systems so people can get better healthcare so they don’t BECOME suicidal.
That will save lives regardless of the method.

Right. I get that. But this is the system we have and the situation we're in. The sad fact of the reality is that gun owners can be incredibly depressed and we know rural medicine lacks a lot of health professionals. Especially psychological. There are stories out there with gun shop owners trying to stop suicides in their area by providing gun locks. What I'm suggesting isn't crazy. It's working within the confines of rural medicine and specific subcommunities and their needs.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Why the lie? I said that I choose not to manipulate the firearm to reduce the risk of negligent discharge. That is actually SAFER than what you want me to do.

Here is an idea. Go to a range. Take a class. And then you can debate from a position of knowledge.

Refer to the OP why I will not. Come on we've been over this already.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Refer to the OP why I will not. Come on we've been over this already.

Yeah. It is obvious that your mind is closed to new experiences and learning things. You are so afraid of the possibility that you might have been wrong. Sad. Just so sad.

 

[jaeger19]

So you're asking me to go to a public library to look up a source you should be able to provide yourself?



Or someone else can change it.



If you can't get into the gun safe... then you can't use the gun.


Right. I get that. But this is the system we have and the situation we're in. The sad fact of the reality is that gun owners can be incredibly depressed and we know rural medicine lacks a lot of health professionals. Especially psychological. There are stories out there with gun shop owners trying to stop suicides in their area by providing gun locks. What I'm suggesting isn't crazy. It's working within the confines of rural medicine and specific subcommunities and their needs.

1. I provided an excellent source and abstract.
You want to “ test the internal validity “ but don’t have the research access to download it.
Lmao.
Face it. There is no reason for you to question the abstract.

2. How would they change it if they don’t have the original code? And why would they “ change it in the first place?
If I’ve become suicidal they should remove it from my place of residence.
The point being , it’s silly to think storing ammo in a different place than a firearm protects the person who places the firearm and ammo.

3. Well except when I change the code back because I am the owner of the safe. Pretty easy when you call the safe company to service your safe.

4. Except that’s not the reality we live in. We have millions upon millions of gun owners who are not depressed, not suicidal nor will ever be.
But you would rather spend time and effort on them “ being safe “.

Rather spend the resources and time making sure that those rural areas HAVE the mental health available.
You know , mental health that will stop suicide from anyone regardless of owning a gun or not.

“There are stories out there with gun shop owners trying to stop suicides in their area by providing gun locks”

Right because someone suicidal is going to be stopped by a gun lock THEY OWN.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Be more specific than that. What exactly do you mean by "safer"?

Accidental firearm deaths are far lower than car deaths.

 

[Rich2018]

Studies that used arbitrary definitions to come to a pre-determined conclusion. So, lies like most “gun control” studies.

Like the ones done by the CDC on defensive use of firearms ?

 

[RF667799]

Like the ones done by the CDC on defensive use of firearms ?

No.

 

[Bum]

Refer to the OP why I will not. Come on we've been over this already.

Show your quantitative and qualitative data...as a public health statistician, I would like to see how you arrived at the 50% number.
Show your methodology and sample size.
We'll wait.....

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Show your quantitative and qualitative data...as a public health statistician, I would like to see how you arrived at the 50% number.
Show your methodology and sample size.
We'll wait.....

That would be sources 1 and 2 from the OP. Do you need me to cite it for you?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Accidental firearm deaths are far lower than car deaths.

Why do you only focus on accidental firearm deaths? That part confuses me.