Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[RF667799]

Yes I do! It's 50% according to the study I cited in the OP.

Your opinion is the same as the premise of the "studies" you cite.

Both worthless.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Yes I do! It's 50% according to the study I cited in the OP.

According to their ARBITRARY definition of safe storage which is bullshit.

 

[RF667799]

I'll take the opinion of someone who doesn't know basic gun safety with a grain of salt.

Your argument is circular. The premise is identical to the conclusion.

 

[JMB1911A1]

A hunter told me that when I was picking up my venison from him. I think gun instructors have heard worse than that.

Wow. A sample size of one in a nation of 100+ million gun owners. You have convinced me.




NOT

 

[jaeger19]

"Nah, I'm not angry now or anything. I like you. But sometimes when I get really angry and upset, I go up to my hunting perch and I need to hold onto my gun to help me calm down".

What kind of fantasy land do you live in??

Aside to the gun owners here.
Remember when I stated that anti gunners think absurd things about gun owners because anti gunners know what they are capable of”””

Things that make you go “hmm…”.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Well I can because I have access to medical Ovid .
But why would you want to read the full study after the abstract?

To do an internal validity check?

Yes. You cited an ARTICLE not actual research

As far as the research you cited? Yes if someone becomes suicidal you should remove things like knives , ropes and firearms and restrict them from high places, not to mention get them help.

Right. Locking things in safes is means restriction.

But someone storing their firearm in a safe and a ammo in a separate area of safe isn’t “ restricting access” heck at most it’s delaying access for like less than a minute.

I sure as heck hope that if you have a loved one who becomes suicidal that you think “ meh” don’t worry dad has to open his safe then open his ammo safe “ so he can’t get access,

And that doesn’t even account for the fact that the vast vast vast majority of gun owners in America are not suicidal.

Sorry but you have so far zero evidence that storing my firearms and ammo together in my safe is “ unsafe “ compared to storing my ammo in another safe.

It's estimated 1/2 Americans will have at least once in their life a serious mental health issue. Mental health concerns have only increased in recent years. I genuinely don't know what your point is. I mean heck, guns are the number one (possibly two) killer of children in the US. You can't be serious with that argument.

 

[RF667799]

Right. And there are some studies that suggest once one tool of suicide become more tightly regulated, the rates of lethality stay the same, as they switch to other items.

So go advocate for rope safety.

Here's an idea. Ropes must be cut into sections of less than 18 inches. Then, if you really need a longer rope, you can tie together however many of those sections suit.

Think of the lives you would save.

However it's not a few seconds. It's multiple minutes. Which helps people on the edge to reflect and reorient themselves. Instead of one big decision with irreversible consequences, it's several smaller ones. It also allows loved ones chances and opportunities to keep firearms out of the hands of those who aren't ready to use them. If only by changing locks and pass codes.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Wow. A sample size of one in a nation of 100+ million gun owners. You have convinced me.




NOT

But you can't follow up to figure out what's going on or recommend things to tell them.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So go advocate for rope safety.

Here's an idea. Ropes must be cut into sections of less than 18 inches. Then, if you really need a longer rope, you can tie together however many of those sections suit.

Think of the lives you would save.

Go make a thread on it.

 

[RF667799]

So you ***DO*** have full access to your guns, you claim are not owned by you but held in a "trust".

He's told you that, multiple times.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

What kind of fantasy land do you live in??

Aside to the gun owners here.
Remember when I stated that anti gunners think absurd things about gun owners because anti gunners know what they are capable of”””

Things that make you go “hmm…”.

The one where I went to go pick up my venison from the hunter who helped me get through college.

 

[RF667799]

Go make a thread on it.

Translation: "That shit demolishes my nonsense arguments."

 

[RF667799]

The one where I went to go pick up my venison from the hunter who helped me get through college.

Did you report him as being an unsafe gun owner? (We're pretending your story is true.)

 

[jaeger19]

To do an internal validity check?



Right. Locking things in safes is means restriction.



It's estimated 1/2 Americans will have at least once in their life a serious mental health issue. Mental health concerns have only increased in recent years. I genuinely don't know what your point is. I mean heck, guns are the number one (possibly two) killer of children in the US. You can't be serious with that argument.

1. Great. Explain how you would accomplish this .
2. I see. So according to you , if your dad has locked his firearms in his safe -and his ammo in a separate safety , knowing the combination to both.
If he becomes suicidal you can be assured that his means to a firearm is restricted .

Lmao. Come now. Stop the silliness.

3. True. But having a mental health issue does in no way mean you are suicidal nor dangerous to others . In fact studies show people who have mental health issues are more likely to be victims
“Conclusions. Results provided further evidence that adults with mental illnesses experienced violent outcomes at high rates, and that they were more likely to be victims than perpetrators of community violence”

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301680

And heck you aren’t talking about restricting access with storage of guns and ammo separate simply delaying access for less than a minute.

As far as being the leading cause of death?
Please cite your study that shows this was the result of a firearm and ammo being stored together in a safe.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Did you report him as being an unsafe gun owner? (We're pretending your story is true.)

No. I didn't.

 

[jaeger19]

The one where I went to go pick up my venison from the hunter who helped me get through college.

Did he ultimately go on to harm himself and others?
And if so why didn’t you get him the help he needed?
Do you believe he would have said what he did to a NRA instructor ? Clearly you had a much deeper relationship given he “ helped you through college”


After that explain how your experience with one individual means you can translate that to millions of gun owners?

 

[jaeger19]

No. I didn't.

Why the hell NOT?

 

[RF667799]

No. I didn't.

Because- not being an NRA instructor- you didn't have a dog in the fight.

Besides...free venison! Better to just hope that goose keeps laying.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

1. Great. Explain how you would accomplish this .

Can't unless I have the article.

2. I see. So according to you , if your dad has locked his firearms in his safe -and his ammo in a separate safety , knowing the combination to both.
If he becomes suicidal you can be assured that his means to a firearm is restricted .

More restricted than it being unlocked in a dresser draw. Add in a gun lock at that point in time to help restrict gun access.

Lmao. Come now. Stop the silliness.

Welcome to public health.

3. True. But having a mental health issue does in no way mean you are suicidal nor dangerous to others . In fact studies show people who have mental health issues are more likely to be victims
“Conclusions. Results provided further evidence that adults with mental illnesses experienced violent outcomes at high rates, and that they were more likely to be victims than perpetrators of community violence”

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301680

And heck you aren’t talking about restricting access with storage of guns and ammo separate simply delaying access for less than a minute.

Correct. Those with mental health issues are more likely to be victims then prepretrators of violence. Not sure where you're going with this.

As far as being the leading cause of death?
Please cite your study that shows this was the result of a firearm and ammo being stored together in a safe.

That's not what I'm claiming at all? I'm not sure where you're getting that claim from.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Why the hell NOT?

Because I didn't know at the time.

 

[poppopfox]

And the fox returns with stupid memes as an argument. Surrender accepted.

Got proof?

JMB1911A1 said:
Nope. And I am an NRA certified instructor

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Because- not being an NRA instructor- you didn't have a dog in the fight.

Besides...free venison! Better to just hope that goose keeps laying.

Because I didn't know how to help him. Simple as that.

 

[poppopfox]

According to their ARBITRARY definition of safe storage which is bullshit.

Is That So?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Is That So?

That is a very nice story. Thank you for posting it.

 

[jaeger19]

Can't unless I have the article.



More restricted than it being unlocked in a dresser draw. Add in a gun lock at that point in time to help restrict gun access.


Welcome to public health.



Correct. Those with mental health issues are more likely to be victims then prepretrators of violence. Not sure where you're going with this.



That's not what I'm claiming at all? I'm not sure where you're getting that claim from.

1. If you were capable of determining internal validity you would be able to tell me how.
2. Not significantly restrictive enough to make a difference as the research I cited shows.
3. I work in public health,
4. You brought up “It's estimated 1/2 Americans will have at least once in their life a serious mental health issue. “( clearly you tried to portray them as dangerous if they were gun owners)
And I am pointing out that they are not likely to commit harm.
5. Well then why are you citing the statistic of children and guns in a discussion about guns and ammo being stored together??

If these children didn’t die because a firearm was stored in a safe with ammo , why is the statistic relevant?