Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[Scatty Kitty]

Is this one of the whataboutisms you claimed were fallacies?

Nope. Refer back to the OP as to why I bring it up.

 

[RF667799]

An opinion piece from the thetruthaboutguns.com. You got nothing.
Try posting in good faith.

Can you refute the counter-claims?

Nothing to say about the completely unsupported OP opinion that the average firearm owner is unsafe?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Can you refute the counter-claims?

Nothing to say about the completely unsupported OP opinion that the average firearm owner is unsafe?

Other than the sources I cite.

 

[poppopfox]

Ah, the typical poppopfox retort. Pathetic as usual.

 

[RF667799]

It's a good start. Personally speaking I would ask them their name if they're comfortable telling it to me. The next thing would be if they need help with stuff. Then water.

Geezus ****ing Keerist.

If a home intruder is comfortable telling me his name, that's when I really would start to worry.

At this point in your life, it is probably too late for familiarize yourself with the real world. So just go on the best you can. Statistically, you won't fall prey to the predators out there, nor to the "unsafe average gun owners".

 

[JMB1911A1]

It's a good start. Personally speaking I would ask them their name if they're comfortable telling it to me. The next thing would be if they need help with stuff. Then water.

Your method of dealing with a home invader would be to ask them their name and then offer them water? You have got to be shitting me! I guess you could help them move your possessions out to their car afterwards.

Seriously, I have no idea how someone like you lives in the real world.

 

[JMB1911A1]

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Typical poppopfox retort x2. No actual debate, just stupid memes.

 

[RF667799]

Other than the sources I cite.

There was no source that supported that, other than by selectively and subjectively defining the terms.

Much as I could do, if I wanted to say the average school teacher is a petty tyrant who lords it over children because of a failure to relate to adult life.

 

[RF667799]

Your method of dealing with a home invader would be to ask them their name and then offer them water? You have got to be shitting me! I guess you could help them move your possessions out to their car afterwards.

Seriously, I have no idea how someone like you lives in the real world.

The way I see it, a home intruder who doesn't mind identifying himself to you is a home intruder who isn't planning on leaving a witness.

 

[poppopfox]

Try reading the article. They lay bare Kellermann’s lies.

No they don't. Opinion piece lacking any rational.

But you support those lies because you want to infringe on our rights.

More projection. Can't do any better?

 

[RF667799]

No they don't. Opinion piece lacking any rational.

More projection. Can't do any better?

Your argument- being non-existent- isn't very convincing.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Your method of dealing with a home invader would be to ask them their name and then offer them water? You have got to be shitting me! I guess you could help them move your possessions out to their car afterwards.

Seriously, I have no idea how someone like you lives in the real world.

Because I'm a Buddhist. As a Buddhist I'm supposed to practice radical compassion for everyone. I'm actually inspired by a Buddhist story where a monk gave away his bowl and clothes to a thief because the thief was so angry the monk had nothing. I wish I could be like that monk.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

There was no source that supported that, other than by selectively and subjectively defining the terms.

Much as I could do, if I wanted to say the average school teacher is a petty tyrant who lords it over children because of a failure to relate to adult life.

So you couldn't find a single source that proves me wrong even though I did such a bad job? Says more about you than anything else.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Because I'm a Buddhist. As a Buddhist I'm supposed to practice radical compassion for everyone. I'm actually inspired by a Buddhist story where a monk gave away his bowl and clothes to a thief because the thief was so angry the monk had nothing. I wish I could be like that monk.

You are a Buddhist who does not respect that other people may have a different opinion than you and desire to live their life in a different way.

You want to tell us what to do.

Seems to be a trend of the Buddhists on DP.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

You are a Buddhist who does not respect that other people may have a different opinion than you and desire to live their life in a different way.

You want to tell us what to do.

Seems to be a trend of the Buddhists on DP.

Well I suppose everyone fears being struck by the rod.

 

[RF667799]

Because I'm a Buddhist. As a Buddhist I'm supposed to practice radical compassion for everyone. I'm actually inspired by a Buddhist story where a monk gave away his bowl and clothes to a thief because the thief was so angry the monk had nothing. I wish I could be like that monk.

Your religious beliefs aren't relevant to those who don't share them.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Your religious beliefs aren't relevant to those who don't share them.

The Buddhists here do seem to be very authoritarian.

 

[RF667799]

So you couldn't find a single source that proves me wrong even though I did such a bad job? Says more about you than anything else.

It isn't really up to me to prove you wrong. It's your opinion and so is up to you to support.

Nevertheless, the fact there are only 500 fatalities (or less) annually among 100 million gun owners, cuts your opinion about "average gun owners" to the very bone.

But then, you don't seem to understand what is involved in supporting an opinion such as yours.

 

[RF667799]

The Buddhists here do seem to be very authoritarian.

They're right, they know they're right, because someone told them they are. Oh well...they probably get some sort of comfort from the beliefs they have absorbed, as long as they don't think about them much.

 

[jaeger19]

Except they don't. Having a firearm in the household increases the chance of dying. If you want to decrease the risk of death, don't have a firearm.

Well that’s not true. Thats a false claim based on faulty research.

 

[jaeger19]

Because I'm a Buddhist. As a Buddhist I'm supposed to practice radical compassion for everyone. I'm actually inspired by a Buddhist story where a monk gave away his bowl and clothes to a thief because the thief was so angry the monk had nothing. I wish I could be like that monk.

Hmm if you saw someone trying to kill say 5 other people. As a Buddhist , would less harm come to pass if you stopped the killer ( even with death)
Or would your compassion for the killer outweigh your compassion for the 5 who are being killed. ?

 

[soylentgreen]

Point out you are lying? Well no, but it’s what I will continue to do.

I don’t need an argument. You are fully aware of your own law giving you the right to kill. We have been over this in about a dozen threads.

You are lying.

NEW ZEALAND LAW COMMISSION - 3. Self-defence

And that is all you can do, make a false accusation and hope it sticks.
No such law exists here. Yes, and all you do is repeat a few words and pretend they mean the same.
Nothing in that link backs what you say.

 

[soylentgreen]

1. The same thing happens when they buy a hammer or a knife or any other implement that can be used to kill. A martial artist also has to consider that they may in defense of their life half to kill soneone. Someone who is a martial artist doesn’t believe they “ have a right to kill.
Sorry but buying a firearm or training in martial arts or putting a baseball bat next to your door in no way means that person has taken the position that they have the right to kill.

Your position is absurd.

2. Not true at all. Stop lying. We all pointed out that defense of property is not generally a justification for lethal force and many presented you with the law that proved that.
They all disagreed with him.
We disagreed with you because despite every other gun owner saying no, only when it’s reasonable to protect oneself from imminent deadly harm is lethal force justified . JUST AS IN NEW ZEALAND.

3. Interesting. Let’s explore that.
So a knife wielding thug threatens to kill an old man. “ I am going to slice you up old man”.
And you don’t think grandpa can reasonably believe he is in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death?
Please explain.

4.

That may be true but we are not discussing any other instrument that can be used to kill. A martial artist may learn their trade for many reasons. But we are discussing a person who buys a gun for the specific purpose of self defense. And therefor someone who has hopefully considered the ramifications of such a purpose and having decided to purchase a gun foe self defense has agreed with themselves that they have a right to kill with that gun.
All you are doing here is trying to muddy the waters.

Your rebuttal is weak.

Not just as in nz as we only have the right to use reasonable force where you have the right to use lethal force.

I am sure he is. Does not change the fact that in nz grandpa will not have a legal right to pull out a gun and shoot the guy.

 

[RF667799]

Well that’s not true. Thats a false claim based on faulty research.

Or they make assumptions about the research and proceed to argue as if probabilities apply equally to every member of a demographic. Much like the arguments of some racists.

 

[jaeger19]

That may be true but we are not discussing any other instrument that can be used to kill. A martial artist may learn their trade for many reasons. But we are discussing a person who buys a gun for the specific purpose of self defense. And therefor someone who has hopefully considered the ramifications of such a purpose and having decided to purchase a gun foe self defense has agreed with themselves that they have a right to kill with that gun.
All you are doing here is trying to muddy the waters.

Your rebuttal is weak.

Not just as in nz as we only have the right to use reasonable force where you have the right to use lethal force.

I am sure he is. Does not change the fact that in nz grandpa will not have a legal right to pull out a gun and shoot the guy.

1. Well why not? Why is it only a firearm that engenders this so called “ right to kill”. . The vast majority of martial artists train for self defense. Do they then believe they have a right to kill. ? A person that puts a ball bat next to their door for self defense. A women who hears someone breaking into her house and grabs a knife from the kitchen and hides in the bathroom. Does she believe she has a “ right to kill.

2. No. In New Zealand you have the right to use lethal force if it’s deemed reasonable.
It’s no different here in the states.

3. Yes. The elderly man in NZ has the right to use his firearm to kill another if it’s reasonable to stop a deadly threat.

Here’s one from New Zealand and frankly this one is sketchy. A good chance he would be convicted in the states. Yet your fellow New Zealanders set him free on self defense.

Farmer walks free after fatally shooting intruder - NZ Herald

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