Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[poppopfox]

I have proposed that 100% of the cost of gun safe be deductible from your taxes. Can’t seem to get any gun control folks to support that though.

I'm okay with that. I think you're lying though.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

with guns it should be assumed that they are stolen to do harm................gun owners need to be liable when found careless..........

You misunderstand the concept I am putting before you. Let me be clearer.

In civil liability and the reasonable man standard you can set standards that hold someone liable for a tortious act even when they had no intent to do harm.

I suggested that if you were implying criminal liability as well that would be much more difficult. If the gun was stolen you would be, in charging the harm done by the the person committing the theft to the owner of the gun who did not have the intent {mens rea} to do the harm. There are few crimes that can be charged without intent. Though they do exist.

 

[poppopfox]

It is almost like they really don’t want to compromise at all. Their way or the highway.

Wrong.

 

[poppopfox]

another day goes by .... that my guns stay where I put them and do nothing on their own

Amazingly, all inanimate objects stay where you put them. Really a dumbass argument.

 

[poppopfox]

I define reasonable as locked in my car or in my house


responsible for being victims of a robbery ?


why not hold ALL victims of robberies accountable for not having enough safe guards to stop the robbers ?



I don't have a gun safe in my car

I don't have a gun safe in my bedroom

and if my guns are in my gun safe locked away how can I use them in immediate situations if I need them ?

and do you want all home owners to lock their "weapons" in safes at night? like all your knives and ball bats etc ?

And you claimed you had 90+ weapon, none of which are locked up? What's wrong with you? You need all 90 to defend yourself?

 

[RF667799]

Amazingly, all inanimate objects stay where you put them. Really a dumbass argument.

It absolutely refutes those who claim that guns killed people.

So which is the dumbass argument.

 

[RF667799]

And you claimed you had 90+ weapon, none of which are locked up? What's wrong with you? You need all 90 to defend yourself?

Oh wow. I wouldn't want to even begin to count the weapons around my house. There might be hundreds.

Do you need a Chinese battle rifle modified to hold more rounds than standard? If not, why do you have one?

 

[tshade]

You misunderstand the concept I am putting before you. Let me be clearer.

In civil liability and the reasonable man standard you can set standards that hold someone liable for a tortious act even when they had no intent to do harm.

I suggested that if you were implying criminal liability as well that would be much more difficult. If the gun was stolen you would be, in charging the harm done by the the person committing the theft to the owner of the gun who did not have the intent {mens rea} to do the harm. There are few crimes that can be charged without intent. Though they do exist.

civil law should be applied----------sue 'em

 

[ModernDiogenes]

civil law should be applied----------sue 'em

That one could do.

I don't know how successful one would be. They would have to not only prove they had been negligent but also that they did so knowingly, or should have known.

That wouldn't be easy.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I'm okay with that. I think you're lying though.

Why do you think I am lying? As an NRA Instructor and Range Safety Officer, I understand the need for proper firearms storage.

Or is this just a reflexive personal attack?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Wrong.

So, what are you offering in order to have gun rights advocates support your gun control legislation?

National concealed carry reciprocity?
Nationwide shall issue?
Suppressors off the NFA?
SBRs, SBSs and AOWs off the NFA?

What is your compromise?

 

[poppopfox]

Why do you think I am lying? As an NRA Instructor and Range Safety Officer, I understand the need for proper firearms storage.

I bolded what I responded to.
Can’t seem to get any gun control folks to support that though.
Evidence the bolded, or not and prove it's a lie.

Or is this just a reflexive personal attack?

You really are self centered.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I bolded what I responded to.
Can’t seem to get any gun control folks to support that though.
Evidence the bolded, or not and prove it's a lie.

Well, you are the only gun control proponent to reply in the affirmative. So, I will revise it to “Can’t seem to get more than one gun control supporter to support that though.”

You really are self centered.

Well, you do seem to like to reply to my posts to other people. Would you like a signed autograph?

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The average gun owner is at least as stupid as the average American.

And that's a low bar.

 

[poppopfox]

So, what are you offering in order to have gun rights advocates support your gun control legislation?

National concealed carry reciprocity?
Nationwide shall issue?
Suppressors off the NFA?
SBRs, SBSs and AOWs off the NFA?

Not intestered in your impotent proposals.

What is your compromise?

Nationwide registration of all firearms. For starters. Close the private sales and gun show loopholes. Give the BATF the resources it needs to go after corrupt gun dealers.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Not intestered in your impotent proposals.

Nationwide registration of all firearms. For starters. Close the private sales and gun show loopholes. Give the BATF the resources it needs to go after corrupt gun dealers.

Compromise is a give and take. You get something you want and I get something I want. Your “proposal” gives me nothing. In fact, you explicitly say that is “for starters” implying that you want further restrictions.

So, thank you for confirming my original post that was 100% accurate.

It is almost like they really don’t want to compromise at all. Their way or the highway.

And proving that your response was a 100% lie.

Wrong.

 

[poppopfox]

Compromise is a give and take. You get something you want and I get something I want. Your “proposal” gives me nothing. In fact, you explicitly say that is “for starters” implying that you want further restrictions.

So, thank you for confirming my original post that was 100% accurate.

And proving that your response was a 100% lie.

“Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass.”
― William Shakespeare

 

[JMB1911A1]

“Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass.”
― William Shakespeare

Says the self admitted prohibited person who bragged about his Chinese battle rifle modified for high capacity magazines.

And I see that you could not argue my point. So, surrender accepted.

 

[rahl]

If the robbery was made too easy, yes

Like the girl wearing too short a skirt with no ops ties on getting raped?

many items stolen do not affect the public as stolen guns would..............big diff

Irrelevant. The victim of a crime can’t be held liable for being the victim of a crime.

store it in a more responsible place

You don’t get say in where I store my privately owned property, on my own property.

then don't store it there

You don’t get a say.

not talking about that.........................stolen when you are away, etc, etc

Irrelevant.

it does not apply if the adult is there being responsible for the gun

Being inside a locked car or inside a dwelling is responsible.

 

[rahl]

with guns it should be assumed that they are stolen to do harm................gun owners need to be liable when found careless..........

They can’t be. Anymore than a woman can be for wearing too short a skirt with no panties on getting raped.

 

[rahl]

Amazingly, all inanimate objects stay where you put them. Really a dumbass argument.

Hence the stupidity of anti gun nuts

 

[rahl]

The average gun owner is at least as stupid as the average American.

And that's a low bar.

The average anti gunner is even stulider

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The average anti gunner is even stulider

No, that's definitely not true.

I say this as a gun owner.

 

[RF667799]

The average gun owner is at least as stupid as the average American.

And that's a low bar.

Which side of the bell curve are you observing from?

Maybe Americans don't deserve any rights. Or at least a large portion of Americans. They just aren't smart enough. They need control, not liberty.

NIce little ideology you have going there. Does it come with a mustache and a bad haircut?

 

[RF667799]

No, that's definitely not true.

I say this as a gun owner.

You got yours. Everyone else can look out for themselves?