Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[Scatty Kitty]

Except you defined manner of death as “ by rope.
Where I defined it as by suicide.
Huge difference

THATS FUNNY.
You got caught and now you are REACTING to it as if you suddenly talking “ by suicide” instead of “ firearm” or “ hanging” etc.

Or murder ( as I was) vs by firearm or lynching etc.

Per your usual you took us all down your “ Scatty Kitty” rabbit hole of lying and deceit about what you said.

We get it. Yet again you cannot debate honestly and have to resort to personal attacks.

You still haven't told me what medical professional you are...because you need to tell us. Because otherwise you're claiming in your medical opinion a suicidal person who has suicidal ideation and plans to use a firearm to kill themself... is a responsible gun owner. So your medical opinions are immediately being called into question because you don't seem to care about suicidal prevention or know some basic things about suicide prevention but claim your argument is about suicidal prevention.

 

[RF667799]

You still haven't told me what medical professional you are...because you need to tell us. Because otherwise you're claiming in your medical opinion a suicidal person who has suicidal ideation and plans to use a firearm to kill themself... is a responsible gun owner. So your medical opinions are immediately being called into question because you don't seem to care about suicidal prevention or know some basic things about suicide prevention but claim your argument is about suicidal prevention.

I've not seen the claim in bold, above.

 

[Lursa]

You don't care that I've already quoted you saying it multiple times and you keep saying I didn't do it?

I want to see the quote with the little arrow so I can see it in context. Not you typing it out.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You still haven't told me what medical professional you are...because you need to tell us. Because otherwise you're claiming in your medical opinion a suicidal person who has suicidal ideation and plans to use a firearm to kill themself... is a responsible gun owner. So your medical opinions are immediately being called into question because you don't seem to care about suicidal prevention or know some basic things about suicide prevention but claim your argument is about suicidal prevention.

He never said the bolded. And he doesn’t need to tell us anything about himself.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I want to see the quote with the little arrow so I can see it in context. Not you typing it out.

Already did that.

 

[Lursa]

Already did that.

What post number?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

What post number?

Already did that.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

He never said the bolded. And he doesn’t need to tell us anything about himself.

Yeah. I know. It's called setting up an argument to absurdity. Jaeger as a medical professional knows that he can't make that argument. But he wants to claim that suicide prevention is what matters by dealing with it at its root. So when I said that gun store owners can help with reducing suicidal ideation and he rejected it, he doesn't care about suicide prevention. Since I already showed he doesn't know something as simple as part of the Columbia screening for SI, he looks like he doesn't have a coherent position.

 

[jaeger19]

You still haven't told me what medical professional you are...because you need to tell us.

But you are already convinced that I am not a medical professional.

Because otherwise you're claiming in your medical opinion a suicidal person who has suicidal ideation and plans to use a firearm to kill themself... is a responsible gun owner.

Where in the heck to you get that from?!?!?
Seriously, You demonstrate amazing deficits in reading comprehension… or demonstrate pathological lying.

So your medical opinions are immediately being called into question because you don't seem to care about suicidal prevention

Stop lying again. As already stated suicide prevention requires mental health access.
Not your twisted logic of removing firearms from people without suicide ideation.

or know some basic things about suicide prevention but claim your argument is about suicidal prevention.

See above.

But thank you for making my point about the callousness of the anti gun position.

Tell us how removing firearms from a person who plans suicide by hanging benefits them

Vs my argument is that we need to focus on mental health for all people. Regardless of whether they own firearms or not.

Huh?

 

[jaeger19]

Yeah. I know. It's called setting up an argument to absurdity. Jaeger as a medical professional knows that he can't make that argument. But he wants to claim that suicide prevention is what matters by dealing with it at its root. So when I said that gun store owners can help with reducing suicidal ideation and he rejected it,

he doesn't care about suicide prevention. Since I already showed he doesn't know something as simple as part of the Columbia screening for SI, he looks like he doesn't have a coherent position.

Stop lying.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Yeah. I know. It's called setting up an argument to absurdity. Jaeger as a medical professional knows that he can't make that argument. But he wants to claim that suicide prevention is what matters by dealing with it at its root. So when I said that gun store owners can help with reducing suicidal ideation and he rejected it, he doesn't care about suicide prevention. Since I already showed he doesn't know something as simple as part of the Columbia screening for SI, he looks like he doesn't have a coherent position.

So you lied about what he said and admit it. Got it. I guess that is a debate technique. Not one I would use, but it is one.

 

[Lursa]

Yeah. I know. It's called setting up an argument to absurdity.

Like you claiming I made statements about domestic violence and demanding I support something I never wrote, and then you had to backpedal to "harm" and now are floundering desperately?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Stop lying.

Not my problem the only coherent position you take is that gun owners who are suicidal are responsible if they keep their firearms. You aren't a medical professional if that's the position you take. Simple as that.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Like you claiming I made statements about domestic violence and demanding I support something I never wrote, and then you had to backpedal to "harm" and now are floundering desperately?

Except for when I posted the quote.

 

[Lursa]

Except for when I posted the quote.

Great...where's the post number I requested with the proof? You want to be proven correct, right? So prove it. Where's the post number or the quote with the arrow?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So you lied about what he said and admit it. Got it. I guess that is a debate technique. Not one I would use, but it is one.

Yeah. Look what Jaeger did. He's forced to take my position now because I put him in a position he can't defend. Are you also the poster who didn't know the technique of holding two statements that are the opposites of each other true at the same time and reasoning it out? I can't remember if that was you or not.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Great...where's the post number I requested with the proof? You want to be proven correct, right? So prove it. Where's the post number or the quote with the arrow?

Already posted it. Not my fault if you can't find it.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Like you claiming I made statements about domestic violence and demanding I support something I never wrote, and then you had to backpedal to "harm" and now are floundering desperately?

You mean the ones I quoted you saying.

 

[Lursa]

Already posted it. Not my fault if you can't find it.

So you're lying. You know you would prove me wrong if you could.

You mean the ones I quoted you saying.

Saying "what" about domestic violence?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So you're lying. You know you would prove me wrong if you could.


Saying what about domestic violence?

It's a miniscule problem.

 

[Lursa]

It's a miniscule problem.

Quote it. Or...you are still lying.

 

[RF667799]

Not my problem the only coherent position you take is that gun owners who are suicidal are responsible if they keep their firearms. You aren't a medical professional if that's the position you take. Simple as that.

Does your position include that people with suicide ideation should also divest themselves of ropes, drugs, and motor vehicles? Should they store their medications in less than lethal quantities in separate medicine safes?

There is nothing in being a responsible firearm owner that excludes an individual who has contemplated suicide.

 

[Rich2018]

Stop lying.

You don't care about suicide prevention

You argue it's better to institute a mass, nationwide mental health care program to reduce suicides over the banni ng of firearms

You literally support ANY batshit crazy project over giving up you guns - if indeed you have any - which I stongly suspect you don't.

 

[RF667799]

You don't care about suicide prevention

You argue it's better to institute a mass, nationwide mental health care program to reduce suicides over the banni ng of firearms

You literally support ANY batshit crazy project over giving up you guns - if indeed you have any - which I stongly suspect you don't.

Wherein Rich informs us of his opinion that a mental health care program is "batshit crazy".

 

[JMB1911A1]

Wherein Rich informs us of his opinion that a mental health care program is "batshit crazy".

That is because @Rich2018 doesn't really care about the people who commit suicide. All he cares about is infringing on the rights of US citizens so we can be slaves to our government (like Brits).