Why is homosexual sex between men viewed as more negative than between women

[CLAX1911]

I think you just described a sexual preference. I, a man, pursued a man today, so I am homosexual today.

Two months ago I pursued a woman so I was heterosexual.

6 months ago I pursued a man at one club, and then a woman at a bar. I was bisexual then. What turns it into an orientation?

No you're sexual orientation didn't change you were just always bisexual if this was the case.

Nothing turns it into an orientation orientation is a phenomenon we don't quite understand.

 

[btthegreat]

No you're sexual orientation didn't change you were just always bisexual if this was the case.

Nothing turns it into an orientation orientation is a phenomenon we don't quite understand.

why am I not pursuing my preference for a sex partner when I do this pursuing? What makes it an orientation rather than a preference.

 

[CLAX1911]

why am I not pursuing my preference for a sex partner when I do this pursuing?

I remember when I was young and realized I was gay. I would have preferred not to be so you don't always get your preferences.

What makes it an orientation rather than a preference.

Because when I realized I was gay my preference was to be straight and I couldn't be. I tried very hard being attracted to women I preferred to be attracted to women but I wasn't.

Really you shouldn't negate the psychology of all of this.

 

[Lursa]

My assumption is it's because men are more likely to have anal sex, and anal sex is associated with disease. This is one of the reasons why I believe there have been many legal and religious prohibitions on it in the past, particularly before modern medicine existed.

IMO, because many men are terrified that considering anything, thinking anything about gay males/sex may 'make it move'.

 

[maquiscat]

why am I not pursuing my preference for a sex partner when I do this pursuing? What makes it an orientation rather than a preference.

Why do you assume, even if only playing Devil's Advocate, that they are not synonymous? Why isn't orientation simply the label for the group of labels that indicates your preferences for either biological sex and/or gender?

 

[Maccabee]

Oy.

It's because chicks are hot.

So are men.

 

[Maccabee]

My assumption is it's because men are more likely to have anal sex, and anal sex is associated with disease. This is one of the reasons why I believe there have been many legal and religious prohibitions on it in the past, particularly before modern medicine existed.

It could be that, but it also comes from the perspective of living in a patriarchal world and being gay threatens that.

 

[maquiscat]

So are men.

Sean Connery, at least during the time when he did Highlander and other films of that period. You don't have to be sexually attracted to them to recognize that they are hot.

 

[Blue Dog]

One looks looks like a sword fight, while the other does not?

 

[bythoughts]

To whatever degree this exists, it is based on sexism. In old Roman thinking, being on the top was great, but being on the bottom wasn't. They even distinguished irrumatio from fellatio. Basically, any action by a male that puts him in the female role is seen as a step "down" and a threat to the Established Order. But I don't think women are perceived as stepping up no matter what they do.

 

[CLAX1911]

I've been reading some interesting things about this and I really think it's mostly leftovers from the ancient world.

So in much of the world particularly the it was common for men to have sex with young boys to the extent folklore suggested young boys needed to be inseminated in order to mature. Something still practiced in the world today. Loads of love poetry written from men to young boys 11 years to about 14 years but these relations were cut off when the boy began to grow a beard a man was considered lesser of her took a "passive" role.

I think this is what the bible refers to that people interrupt as homosexuality.

 

[ajn678]

but many women are into it in much the same way many men are into two women having sex

Not even close to the same numbers lol

 

[ajn678]

I've been reading some interesting things about this and I really think it's mostly leftovers from the ancient world.

So in much of the world particularly the it was common for men to have sex with young boys to the extent folklore suggested young boys needed to be inseminated in order to mature. Something still practiced in the world today. Loads of love poetry written from men to young boys 11 years to about 14 years but these relations were cut off when the boy began to grow a beard a man was considered lesser of her took a "passive" role.

I think this is what the bible refers to that people interrupt as homosexuality.

Its so interesting when people that are gay feel the need to fit in on the right try to downplay the fact that the Bible says to put gay people to death.
You are throughout this thread trying to ignore the realities that the Bible and pretty much every religion hates you.

No idea why you want to try to follow something that hates you so much.

 

[CLAX1911]

Its so interesting when people that are gay feel the need to fit in on the right try to downplay the fact that the Bible says to put gay people to death.

I don't think the Bible ever references gay people

You are throughout this thread trying to ignore the realities that the Bible and pretty much every religion hates you.

No idea why you want to try to follow something that hates you so much.

Why mention religion?

 

[Gaius46]

Oy.

It's because chicks are hot.

Yup. It really ain't rocket science.

 

[Maccabee]

Its so interesting when people that are gay feel the need to fit in on the right try to downplay the fact that the Bible says to put gay people to death.
You are throughout this thread trying to ignore the realities that the Bible and pretty much every religion hates you.

No idea why you want to try to follow something that hates you so much.

While I'm now an atheist, there is an argument to be made that the type of homosexuality that was condemned in the Bible is not the same type of homosexuality as we know it today or in other contemporary nations and cultures.

 

[ajn678]

While I'm now an atheist, there is an argument to be made that the type of homosexuality that was condemned in the Bible is not the same type of homosexuality as we know it today or in other contemporary nations and cultures.

Yea that argument is made by gay people that want to be Christians or Christian churches that want to pretend the Old Testament doesn't say to kill gay people.
It has no basis in reality though.

 

[ajn678]

I don't think the Bible ever references gay people

Well you would certainly be wrong.

Why mention religion?

That is one of the main topics in this thread. That's probably why.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yup. It really ain't rocket science.

Guys are way hotter

 

[CLAX1911]

Well you would certainly be wrong.

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That is one of the main topics in this thread. That's probably why.

But you were responding to me and I was talking about how most cultures and religions around the world said it's okay for men to molest boys

 

[ajn678]

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But you were responding to me and I was talking about how most cultures and religions around the world said it's okay for men to molest boys

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

Leviticus 18: 22 + 29

The world for man is used here as well as woman. This was clearly about the act itself not raping kids. The second verse means to kill them.

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10

Just in case you want to claim the first is the Old Testament so it doesn't count.

Then of course there's the city that God wiped out by turning people into salt because they practiced homosexuality.

I'm not saying you're wrong to be gay. I'm saying that the religion you follow says its wrong. Which is something I don't think you really want to deal with. Which is why you are trying to ignore it.

 

[CLAX1911]

The world for man is used here as well as woman. This was clearly about the act itself not raping kids. The second verse means to kill them.




Just in case you want to claim the first is the Old Testament so it doesn't count.

Leviticus was about Temple prostitution in the practice of sex work

Then of course there's the city that God wiped out by turning people into salt because they practiced homosexuality.

Paul was also talking about timple prostitution and pederasty that as I pointed out in the post you ignored was extremely common in this days

I'm not saying you're wrong to be gay. I'm saying that the religion you follow says its wrong.

It doesn't but nice try.

Which is something I don't think you really want to deal with. Which is why you are trying to ignore it.

It's something I've spent more time thinking about than you could ever know. But thanks so much for trivializing my experience for your bumper sticker level of argument.

 

[bythoughts]

Yea that argument is made by gay people that want to be Christians or Christian churches that want to pretend the Old Testament doesn't say to kill gay people.
It has no basis in reality though.

It's important to remember that Jesus had nothing to do with the making of such laws. The Old Testament wouldn't even be in the Bibles distributed if Constantine, who essentially founded the Christian church as most people know it, wanted to make the religion seem less like a cult (what Romans called a "superstition") and more like an old religion.

Some people argue for the Old Testament theologically, but for the most part you don't see them doing without fire every Saturday or checking the tags of the shirts they buy to make sure they only use one kind of fabric. It's simply not integral to the religion. The covenant with Abraham described in the text was to make his seed "as numerous as the dust of the earth" - it wasn't about right and wrong.

Christopher Ssenyonjo was very cogent in his speaking on the issue (though he wouldn't agree with everything *I* said), but American bigots like Scott Lively came in and turned the country against him, and made it impossible for him to preach the truth.

 

[Maccabee]

Yea that argument is made by gay people that want to be Christians or Christian churches that want to pretend the Old Testament doesn't say to kill gay people.
It has no basis in reality though.

The problem is that you're applying today's language and culture into ancient text. Which is why you need to look at the historical context and original language to understand what they were referring to. Basically the Bible condemned acts such as promiscuity, prostitution, and power imbalance. Again, I'm a now atheist and there's plenty of normal harmless things condemned in the Bible and horrific acts that were commanded by God himself, so this isn't me trying to minimize the harm Christianity has caused.

 

[maquiscat]

Then of course there's the city that God wiped out by turning people into salt because they practiced homosexuality.

Sodom was not wiped out for homosexuallity.

49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Now one can argue that homosexual acts (which are not mutually inclusive with homosexuality) would fall under "detestable things", but obviously not major enough to get called out as a top cause.