Why is CRT a hot button issue and how did it become one?

[ClaraD]

Firstly, it's important to understand what it is before one can say at what age appropriate level it should be taught as part of a public school curriculum.

Ask yourself this question. Would you want your child being taught this in the Elementary grades or even middle school or high school?
Why or why not?

Critical race theory (CRT) | Definition, Principles, & Facts | Britannica

Critical race theory, intellectual and social movement and framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is a socially constructed category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of...

www.britannica.com

point out which high schools, elementary schools or middle schools it is being taught in or was taught in...

 

[Crunchtime]

American history begins with the Vikings.
No, An hour or 90 min. class is not needed. Simply add it to current history, civics, and social studies.
Yes, teach all of American History. That would be a welcome departure.
Insofar as political actions impinge on CRT (if you were well grounded in CRT studies you would realize how daft that concept is) by all means include it.
You insure objective and factual the same way you do for teachers of American History, Civics, and Social Studies, something of a no brainer.
If you think CRT was designed, if its effect is to further segregate and divide I would suggest that your understanding of CRT is sadly deficient.
I have no objection to parents teaching their kids, Answer me this: Who is going to teach the parents?

"If you think CRT was designed, if its effect is to further segregate and divide I would suggest that your understanding of CRT is sadly deficient."

Really? How's it working so far? Is CRT bringing unification to the country? I don't need to understand it to see it's effects.

 

[AGENT J]

"If you think CRT was designed, if its effect is to further segregate and divide I would suggest that your understanding of CRT is sadly deficient."

Really? How's it working so far? Is CRT bringing unification to the country? I don't need to understand it to see it's effects.

Yes really because what people are crying about is NOT crt but made up fantasy as this thread proves.

"Teaching children"
"CRT is racism"
"CRT is marxism"
"CRT is about a socialist revolution"

etc etc . . thats why nutters are crying about and none of it is true so YES you do need to understand if you want to know what is responsible for the actual effects

Thanks for proving that post and many others right yet again with another perfect example of post ignorance LMAO

 

[jaypatriot]

No, it doesn't. You really should try to understand what CRT is, rather than attacking straw men.


What CRT actually does is talk about the ways that racism influences the legal system (and sometimes, other parts of society) in ways that the dominant group isn't aware of and/or doesn't understand.

Also, keep in mind that "CRT" is not a broad or blanket term for "everything anyone says about race that jaypatriot doesn't want to hear." It's a fairly specific academic field. Numerous prominent anti-racists, like Ibram Kendi, are not CRT scholars.


Seriously?

You do know that racism didn't end in 1968, right? Right...?

The reason why you teach people about past mistakes is to understand what's happening in the present, and to avoid repeating those mistakes.

Or do you think we should just whitewash all of US history, so that white people feel good about their country, regardless of what actually happened?




Good grief. The purpose is to find out what happened -- just like the 9/11 Commission. Pelosi proposed an independent commission, and Republicans spiked it, because they didn't want to face the facts.

Oh, and the only way you can make someone "look bad" is if they actually did something bad. That's not the fault of those who expose the truth, it's the fault of those who did something wrong. What a concept.

So, you want 13 percent of the population to make sure the other 87 percent of the population (white, brown, red, yellow) recognize their mistakes (over the centuries) so that the black population can feel good about the country in which they live.

I know race is a social construct that has no meaning biologically.
And I know there are millions of black middle class families who want to get on with their lives in our free society.
I studied American history and I have no need to be hit over the head with history that tells me how bad the white man has been over the centuries.
You apparently want to hammer home the idea that we must confront our sins against black people in order to go forward.
Well, I don't need that kind of education and I oppose the need for CRT in our schools.
And apparently tens of millions of white parent, and many black people, are opposed it to.
If there was more emphasis placed in basic learning skills which the vast majority of black students are failing to acquire, there would be less need for people to beat the white people over the head with needless history lessons recounting all of the sins of the white race over the past couple of centuries.

 

[Crunchtime]

Yes really because what people are crying about is NOT crt but made up fantasy as this thread proves.

"Teaching children"
"CRT is racism"
"CRT is marxism"
"CRT is about a socialist revolution"

etc etc . . thats why nutters are crying about and none of it is true so YES you do need to understand if you want to know what is responsible for the actual effects

Thanks for proving that post and many others right yet again with another perfect example of post ignorance LMAO

The point is that CRT is dividing the nation, to a degree, whether is was designed to or not. I don't have to study the "theory" to see that. The "theory' is producing division along racial lines. That's no fantasy. What it "teaches" is secondary to it's effects.

You're the shallow one here. Kool Aid has that effect upon those that drink it.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yes really because what people are crying about is NOT crt but made up fantasy as this thread proves.

"Teaching children"
"CRT is racism"
"CRT is marxism"
"CRT is about a socialist revolution"

etc etc . . thats why nutters are crying about and none of it is true so YES you do need to understand if you want to know what is responsible for the actual effects

Thanks for proving that post and many others right yet again with another perfect example of post ignorance LMAO

How about if we let the parents decide if a curriculum containing CRT propaganda is right for their kids.? They're the ones paying the teachers' salaries right?
They're the ones paying the property taxes (like I am) that fund the schools and pay the teachers, right?
Why should school administrators get to create a curriculum that does not suit the people who are actually paying administrators to sit on their asses and teachers to teach their children?

 

[AGENT J]

The point is that CRT is dividing the nation

no its not, the retarded things people are making up and the dummies that believe those lies are simply getting themselves mad over fantasy while others laugh at how dumb they are,that is factually NOT "CRT" LOL

, to a degree, whether is was designed to or not. I don't have to study the "theory" to see that. The "theory' is producing division along racial lines. That's no fantasy. What it "teaches" is secondary to it's effects.

no, its not . . that would be an ignorant persons CHOICE . . not "CRT"

You're the shallow one here. Kool Aid has that effect upon those that drink it.

Hey look a personal attack and lie because facts have been presented . . thanks again for proving me right and my point

 

[AGENT J]

How about if we let the parents decide if a curriculum containing CRT propaganda is right for their kids.? They're the ones paying the teachers' salaries right?
They're the ones paying the property taxes (like I am) that fund the schools and pay the teachers, right?
Why should school administrators get to create a curriculum that does not suit the people who are actually paying administrators to sit on their asses and teachers to teach their children?

and another perfect example LOL

what "kids"?
What "curriculum"?

what if math doesn't suit the people? history? English? science? facts? etc?

 

[Visbek]

So, you want 13 percent of the population to make sure the other 87 percent of the population (white, brown, red, yellow) recognize their mistakes (over the centuries) so that the black population can feel good about the country in which they live.

I know race is a social construct that has no meaning biologically.
And I know there are millions of black middle class families who want to get on with their lives in our free society.

Glad to hear it.

I studied American history and I have no need to be hit over the head with history that tells me how bad the white man has been over the centuries.

...and again, that isn't what CRT does. CRT is not French for "Hate Whitey." It's mostly talking about present-day systems, which do not rely on individual intent. Most of the time, when CRT is talking about the past, it's citing specific examples.

Again, CRT is not an umbrella term for all discussions of race. It's much more specific.

Plus, saying that you "studied American history" doesn't really mean anything. Millions who "learned American history" deny that the Civil War was about slavery, or didn't learn about the repeated racist attacks on blacks in order to enforce slavery and segregation.

You apparently want to hammer home the idea that we must confront our sins against black people in order to go forward.
Well, I don't need that kind of education and I oppose the need for CRT in our schools.

I want to hammer home the idea that the US is still in the grips of structural racism. That's a lesson that will benefit you, and a lot of other people in the US.

I might add, CRT isn't taught in primary or secondary schools. That's just racist right-wing hysteria.

And apparently tens of millions of white parent, and many black people, are opposed it to.

Yes, and I'm pretty sure many of those people believe to this day that Obama was born in Kenya rather than Hawaii, or get mad when plantation tours discuss slaves.

I.e. I'm not surprised that there are a bunch of "I'm not a racist, but don't teach anyone anything about race in school" racists in the US.

If there was more emphasis placed in basic learning skills which the vast majority of black students are failing to acquire, there would be less need for people to beat the white people over the head with needless history lessons recounting all of the sins of the white race over the past couple of centuries.

If Americans were actually willing to educate minority students, rather than blame them for the results of their own oppression, they'd do better at basic learning skills.

 

[Crunchtime]

no its not, the retarded things people are making up and the dummies that believe those lies are simply getting themselves mad over fantasy while others laugh at how dumb they are,that is factually NOT "CRT" LOL

no, its not . . that would be an ignorant persons CHOICE . . not "CRT"

Hey look a personal attack and lie because facts have been presented . . thanks again for proving me right and my point

These are your quotes. Directed at me.

"etc etc . . thats why nutters are crying about and none of it is true so YES you do need to understand if you want to know what is responsible for the actual effects"

"Thanks for proving that post and many others right yet again with another perfect example of post ignorance LMAO"

I remember you. The above quotes are your pathetic M.O. I'll miss you.

 

[jaypatriot]

If Americans were actually willing to educate minority students, rather than blame them for the results of their own oppression, they'd do better at basic learning skills.

So it's America's fault that the poor black kids are not able to learn basic skills.
And we send them to school so they can be oppressed.
So educating whites about the sins of slavery and how we are stuck in "structural racism" is going to improve the future for black students.
What you don't seem to understand is that the lack of reading and writing skills is what is hurting students of color today. Being a product of a two-parent family would also help improve the lives of young blacks in this world. But that train seems to have left the station a long time ago.
visbek,
You are on the losing side of a weak argument.

 

[AGENT J]

These are your quotes. Directed at me.

"etc etc . . thats why nutters are crying about and none of it is true so YES you do need to understand if you want to know what is responsible for the actual effects"

"Thanks for proving that post and many others right yet again with another perfect example of post ignorance LMAO"

I remember you. The above quotes are your pathetic M.O. I'll miss you.

Posting lies wont help your alse claims and failed posts LMAO nutters was not directed at you but nice try.
But once again thanks for proving me right, yourself wrong and making my point for me. CRT isnt doing and doesn't doing any of the things you claim. Running away wont work either it just further exposes the fact your false claims cant be supported.

So here we are in the same spot, please post one fact that makes your false claims about effects true , thanks!

 

[lwf]

To what decisions are you referring?
CRT wants to teach black kids to hate whites and for whites to admit their racism.
What else is CRT supposed to do?
So what is the end objective of teaching school kids all about how bad white America was to the black people all through slavery and the Jim Crow period?
That's like Pelosi heading up a commission to get to the truth of 1/6.
People already know what the end object of the 1/6 investigation is.
Make Trump and the Republicans look bad.

Just like they know the goal of CRT is:
Exploit white guilt and further victimize black students. Is there a different goal of CRT?

This is false. This is a popular disinformation narrative that you have been fed from Republican "entertainment" commentators with a political agenda meant to trick uneducated conservatives into being frightened of Democrats and minorities.

 

[lwf]

So then are you a proponent of making CRT part of the curriculum K-!2? Or should government leave it to parents to teach it or not to teach it? You said that decisions should be based on facts and science, and not fear and dogma. I assume that includes education. Do you see CRT and science and facts or fear and dogma? Or maybe some of the both?

I see it as history and science, not fear nor dogma, and believe it should be part of the educational curriculum and included in social studies courses. Once children begin learning the history of slavery in the United States, they should be taught about the systemic racism that still exists to this day and the impact that racism has had on American cultures. There are far too many people in the United States that have no idea why black communities are so much less successful than white communities in America. This is due to a gap in their education. This gap needs to be closed.

 

[lwf]

Nonsense. Like Hannah Jones said. Its not history, its an "origin story". "Not the origin story". CRT is big into myths, parables and stories. Reality is but a minor inconvenience to CRT.

Nonsense.

 

[Visbek]

So it's America's fault that the poor black kids are not able to learn basic skills.

Pretty much. It's mostly systemic racism, with a bit of overt racism occasionally thrown in.

For example, research has shown that the most reliable way to improve a school's performance is via racial integration. However, white parents lose their damned minds when anyone suggests sending black kids to their schools. But hey, they insist they're not racist, so race can't possibly be the motivation, right...?

The Problem We All Live With - Part One - This American Life

There’s one thing that has been proven to cut the achievement gap between black and white students by half: integration.

www.thisamericanlife.org

And we send them to school so they can be oppressed.

We send them to schools to educate them. We do a bad job of it, as a society, because of racism (mostly but not entirely systemic).

So educating whites about the sins of slavery and how we are stuck in "structural racism" is going to improve the future for black students.

We should teach everyone about slavery and segregation, and how the US is still suffering from racism, for many reasons. The primary reason is because it's the right thing to do -- no one, including whites, benefits from sweeping these kinds of things under the rug. And yes, improving society, including for those black students, is part of the goal.

What you don't seem to understand is that the lack of reading and writing skills is what is hurting students of color today.

What you don't seem to understand is that racism is a primary reason why minorities aren't being optimally educated today.

For example, racism is certainly responsible for lower employment rates, lower wages, and geographical segregation of blacks. And since Americans decided to largely fund its public schools from local property taxes, that means that areas with lots of minority residents have less funds for their schools -- even though those schools have greater needs than, say, students at affluent white suburban schools. This in turn results in a lower quality education, which compounds and perpetuates issues with employment wages, segregation, and even issues like divorce. See how that works?

Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?

You are on the losing side of a weak argument.

Yeah, I don't really see you presenting any "argument." All I hear is a lot of white grievance whining, and no data.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yes, visbek

Pretty much. It's mostly systemic racism, with a bit of overt racism occasionally thrown in.

For example, research has shown that the most reliable way to improve a school's performance is via racial integration. However, white parents lose their damned minds when anyone suggests sending black kids to their schools. But hey, they insist they're not racist, so race can't possibly be the motivation, right...?

The Problem We All Live With - Part One - This American Life

There’s one thing that has been proven to cut the achievement gap between black and white students by half: integration.

www.thisamericanlife.org

We send them to schools to educate them. We do a bad job of it, as a society, because of racism (mostly but not entirely systemic).


We should teach everyone about slavery and segregation, and how the US is still suffering from racism, for many reasons. The primary reason is because it's the right thing to do -- no one, including whites, benefits from sweeping these kinds of things under the rug. And yes, improving society, including for those black students, is part of the goal.


What you don't seem to understand is that racism is a primary reason why minorities aren't being optimally educated today.

For example, racism is certainly responsible for lower employment rates, lower wages, and geographical segregation of blacks. And since Americans decided to largely fund its public schools from local property taxes, that means that areas with lots of minority residents have less funds for their schools -- even though those schools have greater needs than, say, students at affluent white suburban schools. This in turn results in a lower quality education, which compounds and perpetuates issues with employment wages, segregation, and even issues like divorce. See how that works?

Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?


Yeah, I don't really see you presenting any "argument." All I hear is a lot of white grievance whining, and no data.

Yes, visbek, I see how your mind works.
In a way, I admire your conviction. You and Obama are excellent Social Justice Warriors fighting for the future of people of color and, by that, you're like a BLM protestor walking down the street with the bullhorn yelling "BLACK LIVES MATTER" as if that is going to get people to support CRT concepts along with the silliness of the 1619 Project.
As Shakepeare said "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

 

[Crunchtime]

I see it as history and science, not fear nor dogma, and believe it should be part of the educational curriculum and included in social studies courses. Once children begin learning the history of slavery in the United States, they should be taught about the systemic racism that still exists to this day and the impact that racism has had on American cultures. There are far too many people in the United States that have no idea why black communities are so much less successful than white communities in America. This is due to a gap in their education. This gap needs to be closed.

So then, in your opinion, it's the attitudes of "white Americans" that need to change, and it's "white Americans" that need to be educated? If that were to happen everything will be alright? What else will help? Not until guilt and condemnation is heaped upon "white Americans" will the price be paid. How will this help the people that need it? How will this keep black fathers in the same home in which their children abide? How will this help black single mothers? You're talking about utopia. The promises of Marx and Lenin. You want to level the field in the name of equity. It will never work because men are ambitious, and rightly so. Hard work is the only thing that evens things out. Hard work is always rewarded. That's a fact.

 

[Crunchtime]

Pretty much. It's mostly systemic racism, with a bit of overt racism occasionally thrown in.

For example, research has shown that the most reliable way to improve a school's performance is via racial integration. However, white parents lose their damned minds when anyone suggests sending black kids to their schools. But hey, they insist they're not racist, so race can't possibly be the motivation, right...?

The Problem We All Live With - Part One - This American Life

There’s one thing that has been proven to cut the achievement gap between black and white students by half: integration.

www.thisamericanlife.org

We send them to schools to educate them. We do a bad job of it, as a society, because of racism (mostly but not entirely systemic).


We should teach everyone about slavery and segregation, and how the US is still suffering from racism, for many reasons. The primary reason is because it's the right thing to do -- no one, including whites, benefits from sweeping these kinds of things under the rug. And yes, improving society, including for those black students, is part of the goal.


What you don't seem to understand is that racism is a primary reason why minorities aren't being optimally educated today.

For example, racism is certainly responsible for lower employment rates, lower wages, and geographical segregation of blacks. And since Americans decided to largely fund its public schools from local property taxes, that means that areas with lots of minority residents have less funds for their schools -- even though those schools have greater needs than, say, students at affluent white suburban schools. This in turn results in a lower quality education, which compounds and perpetuates issues with employment wages, segregation, and even issues like divorce. See how that works?

Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?


Yeah, I don't really see you presenting any "argument." All I hear is a lot of white grievance whining, and no data.

"Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?"

Do you think that hard work had anything to do with it? Is it possible that Irish immigrants just refused to stay down, and realized that if they worked hard they would prosper? Hasn't that been the way all through history? With all immigrants? Hard work pays off. There is a black middle class. How do you think they managed that even though racism existed?

 

[lwf]

So then, in your opinion, it's the attitudes of "white Americans" that need to change, and it's "white Americans" that need to be educated? If that were to happen everything will be alright? What else will help? Not until guilt and condemnation is heaped upon "white Americans" will the price be paid. How will this help the people that need it? How will this keep black fathers in the same home in which their children abide? How will this help black single mothers? You're talking about utopia. The promises of Marx and Lenin. You want to level the field in the name of equity. It will never work because men are ambitious, and rightly so. Hard work is the only thing that evens things out. Hard work is always rewarded. That's a fact.

No, not white Americans. Americans. Though the vast majority of them experience the effects of it regularly, black Americans are no more inherently educated on the academic notion of systemic racism than white Americans are. And the goal is not guilt. The goal is education. A white American born in 2010 is not automatically guilty of being a racist, nor does CRT teach this. CRT teaches history and how it relates to the black and white communities of today. If you feel guilt that white culture has oppressed black culture in America in the past, and that this is the reason that black culture is struggling to attain comparable levels of success to white culture, then that is on you. It should not be the responsibility of the educational system to avoid teaching unpleasant parts of history because it make you feel guilty.

And teaching people about the source of problems is the first step toward solving them. CRT doesn't solve those problems, it educates the future problem solvers on the problems and where they come from.

 

[Visbek]

In a way, I admire your conviction. You and Obama are excellent Social Justice Warriors fighting for the future of people of color and, by that, you're like a BLM protestor walking down the street with the bullhorn yelling "BLACK LIVES MATTER" as if that is going to get people to support CRT concepts along with the silliness of the 1619 Project.

lol

I hate to break this to you, but... not everyone is terrified of CRT, or social justice, or black people, or accepting that US history was whitewashed.

And as a reminder, ad hominem attacks aren't an argument.

 

[lwf]

"Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?"

Do you think that hard work had anything to do with it? Is it possible that Irish immigrants just refused to stay down, and realized that if they worked hard they would prosper? Hasn't that been the way all through history? With all immigrants? Hard work pays off. There is a black middle class. How do you think they managed that even though racism existed?

CRT doesn't teach that current laws on the books are explicitly discriminatory against black Americans, nor does it teach that black Americans can't find success in America. Barack Obama is not a walking contradiction to CRT or the notion of systemic racism. Nor does it teach that white Americans can't ever be poorer and less successful than a given black American. It teaches that, on average, black Americans have more obstacles to overcome to achieve success than white Americans on average. And then it explains where these particular obstacles came from.

Yes hard work pays off, and there are plenty of successful black Americans who can attest to this. This doesn't change the incontrovertible fact that for black Americans on average it requires more work than it does for white Americans on average. CRT answers the next logical question: "Why?"

 

[Crunchtime]

CRT doesn't teach that current laws on the books are explicitly discriminatory against black Americans, nor does it teach that black Americans can't find success in America. Barack Obama is not a walking contradiction to CRT or the notion of systemic racism. Nor does it teach that white Americans can't ever be poorer and less successful than a given black American. It teaches that, on average, black Americans have more obstacles to overcome to achieve success than white Americans on average. And then it explains where these particular obstacles came from.

Yes hard work pays off, and there are plenty of successful black Americans who can attest to this. This doesn't change the incontrovertible fact that for black Americans on average it requires more work than it does for white Americans on average. CRT answers the next logical question: "Why?"

Why is it called Critical Race "Theory"?

 

[Visbek]

"Further, it wasn't all that long ago that other groups such as the Irish were heavily discriminated, using the same type of language and accusations. However, as the Irish were gradually accepted over time and seen as "white," their material conditions improved, thus their education improved. See how that works?"

Do you think that hard work had anything to do with it?

No.

I see absolutely no indication whatsoever that blacks are "lazy," let alone less hard-working than Irish (or Italians, or Germans, or Poles, or other groups that face less discrimination today than in the past).

In fact, both Irish and blacks were negatively stereotyped as lazy, immoral, anarchistic, or destructive until around the 1940s. Some xenophobes tried to suggest that both the Irish and blacks were more "ape-like" than other Europeans. The xenophobes were also furious about Irish receiving relief (sound familiar?) and saw the Irish as less willing to assimilate than other groups (sound familiar?)

Plus, as bad as it got for Irish and other groups in the US -- and yes, it was often really bad for them -- it was rarely as devastating, or thorough, or consistent, as the oppression and discrimination targeted to blacks.

Is it possible that Irish immigrants just refused to stay down, and realized that if they worked hard they would prosper? Hasn't that been the way all through history? With all immigrants? Hard work pays off. There is a black middle class. How do you think they managed that even though racism existed?

Whoo... Let me see if I can count the errors here.

To start with, the claim that "hard work pays off" is at best a myth, at worst a lie that serves the corporations and capitalists. Hundreds of millions of Americans throughout history have worked their ass off, without any real reward. It was basically just a short-lived fluke that after WWII, less-educated factory workers could actually make a middle-class living. I'd add there is no doubt that millions of Americans (of all skin colors) today work just as hard, if not harder, than Americans did in 1955, while receiving lower wages, less pay, and fewer opportunities to advance. (That said, we should note that today we have more credit options, more debt, more expensive health care, more demand for higher education, and cheaper goods.)

The further back you project that claim into history, the more you should see it as a lie. Social mobility or the middle class barely existed until at least the 18th or 19th centuries. The Indian system of caste locked people into professions, and out of social climbing, for centuries. Medieval peasants had few opportunities to prosper, no matter how much they worked. Social mobility barely existed anywhere in the ancient world. Slaves were common in the world, and rarely freed because of hard work.


As to Irish success? One way that the Irish succeeded was by... wait for it... discriminating against blacks. As Noel Ignatiev points out: Despite being lumped together and forced to live in the same ghettos as blacks:

Rather than aligning with black people—free and slave—to overthrow the system of slavery and racial oppression which prevailed in the United States, they chose, by and large, to find a way to gain for themselves a favored position within it.... To the extent to which they could prove themselves worthy of being white Americans—that is, by joining in gleefully in the subjugation of black people—they showed that they belonged, that they deserved all the rights of citizenship. On the other side, to the extent to which they were able to force their way into the white polity of this country, they were able to distance themselves from black people.


As to the black middle class? Before the Civil War, any of the few prosperous blacks could be harassed or killed with impunity by whites; even in the North, they faced racism and had few protections. Black communities, even prosperous ones, were frequently targets of violence for decades; e.g. there were numerous attacks between 1917 and 1923.

There is certainly a lot less direct racism today than in the past, and I do think that's not recognized enough. However, blacks almost always still have to work harder than their white equivalents to achieve the same level of success. And no matter how well they succeed, they still have to deal with discrimination, including the possibility of being harassed, assaulted or even killed by police or white citizens.


I.e. Proclaiming that "the Irish work, and blacks don't" is simply another stereotype, and an excuse not to recognize the racism of the past and the present.

 

[jaypatriot]

lol

I hate to break this to you, but... not everyone is terrified of CRT, or social justice, or black people, or accepting that US history was whitewashed.

And as a reminder, ad hominem attacks aren't an argument.

And not everyone is terrified of killer bees from South America.
They would rather avoid them and complain if someone were to start using them to kill all the useful and important bees.

Sorry I touched upon one of your sensitive nerves.