Why is abortion acceptable?

[marke]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Dude, a fetus is not a citizen.

A fetus to a modern secular humanist abortionist in America is like a Jew was to secular humanists in Germany under Hitler's wicked rule.

 

[blarg]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

A fetus to a modern secular humanist abortionist in America is like a Jew was to secular humanists in Germany under Hitler's wicked rule.

other then actually lacking human thoughts and feelings

hey produce a fetus that says it wants to live ill say it has a right to life

 

[marke]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

other then actually lacking human thoughts and feelings

hey produce a fetus that says it wants to live ill say it has a right to life

Since they cannot defend themselves then murder the unborn babies if the mother wants them out of her way?

 

[minnie616]

When the woman knows she is pregnant, 15 out of 20 is a 75% miscarriage rate. This seems very high. Where are you getting this information? This means when a woman needs an abortion, her doctor would tell her there's a 75% chance of her losing the baby anyway, and the procedure would be unnecessary.

I don't accept the 75% figure.

Sorry it was a typo.

I meant to type 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnancies ( when the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in miscarriage.

But you do bring up a good point since most miscarriages happen in the first trimester and over 91 percent of abortions happen during the first trimester it stands to reason that some (maybe 10 percent?) at least would have been miscarried away had they not been aborted.

 

[Rickeroo]

Sorry it was a typo.

I meant to type 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnancies ( when the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in miscarriage.

But you do bring up a good point since most miscarriages happen in the first trimester and over 91 percent of abortions happen during the first trimester it stands to reason that some (maybe 10 percent?) at least would have been miscarried away had they not been aborted.

Ah, that make more sense. However, this could be taken as an attempt to minimize abortion since natural miscarriages happen at a high rate. I believe this has the opposite effect. In order for me to be typing this, I had to run through quite the gauntlet and beat the odds. Natural miscarriage makes those odds longer, which in turn would make my existence all that more rare and precious.

 

[blarg]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Since they cannot defend themselves then murder the unborn babies if the mother wants them out of her way?

its not murder any more then the putting down of a pet or slaughter of a chicken or cow less because those beings may have more developed minds if those critters asck to live they should have a right to life to

 

[minnie616]

Ah, that make more sense. However, this could be taken as an attempt to minimize abortion since natural miscarriages happen at a high rate. I believe this has the opposite effect. In order for me to be typing this, I had to run through quite the gauntlet and beat the odds. Natural miscarriage makes those odds longer, which in turn would make my existence all that more rare and precious.

Not minimizing abortion just showing many pregnancies are lost due to natural causes.
One cannot just assume a pregnancy would have ended in birth if an elective abortion did not occur.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Well if you aren't in the position to be able to afford children then abstinence is going to be the best practice in order to prevent unwanted children.

So, you admit you were wrong about anti choicers saying to not have sex? Now, how about addressing my point about how if those women had not had sex, the population would not be any higher?

I see no reason to abstain just because pregnancy is a danger to me. I can abort if my contraception fails.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

You know dogs and cats are not citizens either but they have rights as well. People cannot just murder dogs and cats.

Animals do not have rights. You can have your pet euthanised for any reason you want.

 

[blarg]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Animals do not have rights. You can have your pet euthanised for any reason you want.

well maybe they don't have a right to life its probably illegal to hurt them though

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

well maybe they don't have a right to life its probably illegal to hurt them though

It's not illegal to hunt some animals. It's illegal to hunt domestic animals because most of the time, they belong to someone (If they are not strays).

 

[Rickeroo]

Not minimizing abortion just showing many pregnancies are lost due to natural causes.
One cannot just assume a pregnancy would have ended in birth if an elective abortion did not occur.

Correct. However, if it can be calculated that 85% of women who know they are pregnant will eventually have a live birth, then population projections could be done for present day, broken down by race.

 

[blarg]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

It's not illegal to hunt some animals. It's illegal to hunt domestic animals because most of the time, they belong to someone (If they are not strays).

that's killing again but probably illegal to torture them or starve them stuff like that animals have some protections

 

[year2late]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

I have stated all along I believe human rights. I don't favor one over the other. The truth is very precious these day. I'd suggest you be more truthful.

So while we are talking about the truth, why not tell people about your employment at Planned Parenthood. That might shed some light on the truth.

 

[minnie616]

Correct. However, if it can be calculated that 85% of women who know they are pregnant will eventually have a live birth, then population projections could be done for present day, broken down by race.

They can still calculate. The abortion rate in 2014 was about 18 out of every 100 pregnancies.

The US has less percentage in 2014 than, Denmark , France, Norway, Sweden, Great Britton, and Canada.

In the mid 1980s it was about 33 out of every 100 pregnancies.

(*Remember these numbers also included abortions for health reasons.)

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)

 

[Bucky]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

So while we are talking about the truth, why not tell people about your employment at Planned Parenthood. That might shed some light on the truth.

I have already stated everything I needed too. Why bring up old history?

 

[Bucky]

They can still calculate. The abortion rate in 2014 was about 18 out of every 100 pregnancies.

The US has less percentage in 2014 than, Denmark , France, Norway, Sweden, Great Britton, and Canada.

In the mid 1980s it was about 33 out of every 100 pregnancies.

(*Remember these numbers also included abortions for health reasons.)

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)

I am wondering, where do you think we can find some common ground if any???

The pro-life side will never agree with your premise that a fetus never deserves rights.

Do you want to compromise or stand by ideology and rhetoric? Because if you aren't willing to budge it will be a zero-sum game and right now your side is getting their butts kicked. Take away the RBG and you could be in real trouble.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

So while we are talking about the truth, why not tell people about your employment at Planned Parenthood. That might shed some light on the truth.

Is there any room for compromise????

Or is this going to keep going on...

 

[year2late]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Life inside the womb is not a second class citizen.

I have already stated everything I needed too. Why bring up old history?

You have distinct issues with the truth. We have been burned many times by your lies.

 

[year2late]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Is there any room for compromise????

Or is this going to keep going on...

Here is a compromise.

You are entitled to your beliefs as long as they do not affect the ability of a person to seek and obtain medical care.

 

[Logician Man]

I have never heard of anyone advocating for people to not have sex.

Actually there have been many in this very forum that claim no one should engage in sex unless they are attempting to procreate.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

Life inside the womb is not a second class citizen.

It's not a citizen at all until/unless it is issued a social security number.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

It's not a citizen at all until/unless it is issued a social security number.

A SSN is not a indicator of human rights.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

A SSN is not a indicator of human rights.

It is in the U.S. If one violates a citizen's human rights, they open themselves to arrest and prosecution.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

that's killing again but probably illegal to torture them or starve them stuff like that animals have some protections

Protections, yes. Rights, no.