Why Iran's government must be deposed and disposed of!

[Vader]

Iran's terrorist government must be deposed and disposed of.

This video will show you why!

 

[kaya'08]

There politics is dominated by religion, they fund and influence jihadist groups, they are creating nucleur weaponary, they are not a democracy, they must go!
Iran was the country that should have got invaded, they pose a far bigger risk than Iraq ever did. I am very worried about the iranian military, and possible implications for surrounding countries, paticularly israel, if a military intervention does not take place. I hope, unlike Bush, Obama agrees to meet the iranian president and agree something on a mutual basis. I would like to see Obama's stance on Iran.

 

[Iriemon]

I didn't have to go beyond the first screen to see this is typical bigoted hate propoganda from one of the boards resident bigots, who has posted before about his hate against Muslims and how all Muslims should be deported from the US.

The very first line of the video, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany, claims Iran "seeks to exterminate the Jews."

Both an ignorant and somewhat ironic thing to contend about a nation that hosts a small Jewish population (but the largest in the ME outside of Israel) that has been there for centuries, a nation whose government guarantees the Jew's religious freedom including permitting them to worship in synagouges and have Jewish schools and resturants and hospitals, and even guarantees the Jewish population a seat in parliament.

Who remembers how many Jews were allowed to sit in Hitler's Reichstag?

If Vader's video is accurate and Iran is like Nazi Germany and seeks to exterminate the Jews, guaranteeing them a seat in parliament and the right to practice their religion seems a weird way going about it, doesn't it?

The bigot's main tools are ignorance, distortion, and using select acts of some to generate hatred against the whole of the group.

Vader uses these tools regularly.

This thread is a repost of another thread here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057823196-post20.html

 

[Vader]

I didn't have to go beyond the first screen to see this is typical bigoted hate propoganda from one of the boards resident bigots, who has posted before about his hate against Muslims and how all Muslims should be deported from the US.

The very first line of the video, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany, claims Iran "seeks to exterminate the Jews."

Both an ignorant and somewhat ironic thing to contend about a nation that hosts a small Jewish population (but the largest in the ME outside of Israel) that has been there for centuries, a nation whose government guarantees the Jew's religious freedom including permitting them to worship in synagouges and have Jewish schools and resturants and hospitals, and even guarantees the Jewish population a seat in parliament.

Who remembers how many Jews were allowed to sit in Hitler's Reichstag?

If Vader's video is accurate and Iran is like Nazi Germany and seeks to exterminate the Jews, guaranteeing them a seat in parliament and the right to practice their religion seems a weird way going about it, doesn't it?

The bigot's main tools are ignorance, distortion, and using select acts of some to generate hatred against the whole of the group.

Vader uses these tools regularly.

This thread is a repost of another thread here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057823196-post20.html

Typical pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda cover story being posted to hide the truth in the video I posted.

Iriemon does love to try and cover up for the evils of his religion... as stated in: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057823665-post44.html.

Iriemon is a discredited allah-apologist/coverup artitst who should be ignored at all times.

This thread is accurate and Iran's terrorist government should be diposed.

Iran's mullahs need to be imprisoned for life --- and be subject to daily pigs blood showers.

Followed by creamation upon their deaths from old age.

 

[Vader]

There politics is dominated by religion, they fund and influence jihadist groups, they are creating nucleur weaponary, they are not a democracy, they must go!
Iran was the country that should have got invaded, they pose a far bigger risk than Iraq ever did. I am very worried about the iranian military, and possible implications for surrounding countries, paticularly israel, if a military intervention does not take place. I hope, unlike Bush, Obama agrees to meet the iranian president and agree something on a mutual basis. I would like to see Obama's stance on Iran.

As would I.

I do believe that Iran needs to be disarmed. Iran can have nuclear energy; however, they cannot be trusted to provide it for themselves. It should be imported to them.

This will guarantee they do not have the ability to manufacture nuclear arms.

Iran's government will never agree to this because they are trying to build nukes.

 

[Ahmed Shaheen]

Iran's terrorist government must be deposed and disposed of.

This video will show you why!

Not worse than Guantanamo .

 

[kaya'08]

Obama will get rid of Guantanamo bay, as far as im concerned that bloody prison island just makes America look like a hypocrit with the torture etc, and im glad a decent man such as Barack will be demolishing it for good. It will improve Americas image as a democratic power. I wonder if McCain would have done the same thing, had he have won the elections?
Regardless, i do believe a country should have complete soverignety, and i do not believe America has the right to intervene with everything that is taking place on this planet, however, a country which does not have a reputable democracy and a responsible government should not be able to produce nucleur weaponary. Thats my answer for a few arguments i have seen on here questioning why "America or israel can make nucleur warheads but iran cant".

 

[Iriemon]

Typical pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda cover story being posted to hide the truth in the video I posted.

Here are some more "typical pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda" sources that say the same thing as my post.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jews in Iran Describe a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran | csmonitor.com

BBC, wikipedia, and csmonitor -- all well known pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda sites.

Iriemon does love to try and cover up for the evils of his religion... as stated in: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057823665-post44.html.

I agree Christianity is not perfect, but where have I tried to cover up for the evils of Christianity?

Iriemon is a discredited allah-apologist/coverup artitst who should be ignored at all times.

This thread is accurate and Iran's terrorist government should be diposed.

Yep. And we know Vader's claim that Iran seeks to exterminate the Jews is accurate, because look at the Jews living in Iran who have been there for millennia. Why, at this rate, in another few thousand years those Jews may very well be exterminated. Iran must be just like Nazi Germany, as Vader claims. Just not as efficient, apparently.

 

[Iriemon]

Obama will get rid of Guantanamo bay, as far as im concerned that bloody prison island just makes America look like a hypocrit with the torture etc, and im glad a decent man such as Barack will be demolishing it for good. It will improve Americas image as a democratic power. I wonder if McCain would have done the same thing, had he have won the elections?

Regardless, i do believe a country should have complete soverignety, and i do not believe America has the right to intervene with everything that is taking place on this planet, however, a country which does not have a reputable democracy and a responsible government should not be able to produce nucleur weaponary. Thats my answer for a few arguments i have seen on here questioning why "America or israel can make nucleur warheads but iran cant".

So what's the plan for Russia and China? Bomb them?

 

[kaya'08]

Russia and China cannot be trusted with nucleur warheads, partly because the Russian government has shown much aggresion to neighbouring countries and in China, democracy is nonexistant.
No, i didnt say bomb Russia or China, i think the international community should come together and try and pressurize countries that cannot be trusted with such an arsenal to stop any nucleur programmes, or reach some sort of agreement that will allow the UN to control and regulate such weapons that are produced by Russia and China.
Iriemon if you are from a muslim decent, do not take offense. Im not saying "no muslim countries should, or are responsible enough, to create such weaponary", because thats not true. Russia, or North Korea for instance cannot be trusted by most international countries either, my case is the Iranian government, despite it being a beautiful country that i have visited many times before, cannot be trusted with such weapons. Did Ahmedinijad not say he wanted the state of Israel wiped off the map? Has he not, in the past, expressed a deep hatred for the jews? The crimes the israels have commmited are no better than the palestinians, but at the end of the day, if these words come out of the mouth of a government that is producing nucleur weaponary, there will be a cause for concern.

 

[Iriemon]

Russia and China cannot be trusted with nucleur warheads, partly because the Russian government has shown much aggresion to neighbouring countries and in China, democracy is nonexistant.
No, i didnt say bomb Russia or China, i think the international community should come together and try and pressurize countries that cannot be trusted with such an arsenal to stop any nucleur programmes, or reach some sort of agreement that will allow the UN to control and regulate such weapons that are produced by Russia and China.

Realistically, I doubt this scenario is going to happen while the US itself is modernizing its nuclear force. Others would claim the US can't be trusted with nuclear weapons, being the only nation to have actually used them and more recently having shown to attack other nations based on false pretenses.

Iriemon if you are from a muslim decent, do not take offense.

Anglo-German, with some Welsh.

Im not saying "no muslim countries should, or are responsible enough, to create such weaponary", because thats not true. Russia, or North Korea for instance cannot be trusted by most international countries either, my case is the Iranian government, despite it being a beautiful country that i have visited many times before, cannot be trusted with such weapons.

I don't know if any nation can be "trusted" with them. I agree Iran has shown atagonism to the state of Israel. On the other hand, Iran has not been the agressor in a war in two centuries.

Did Ahmedinijad not say he wanted the state of Israel wiped off the map?

I've read different interpretations as to this statement which have been extensively debated in threads here, some of which were in the nature of expressing that Israel as a government will disappear.

Has he not, in the past, expressed a deep hatred for the jews?

I haven't read this expressed directly, though some of his statements (such as those questioning if not denying the holocaust) have certainly been offensive to some jewish people.

The crimes the israels have commmited are no better than the palestinians, but at the end of the day, if these words come out of the mouth of a government that is producing nucleur weaponary, there will be a cause for concern.

1) I am certainly in favor of limiting nuclear weapons capacity throughout the world, for all nations including Iran, and support efforts to achieve that goal.

2) Were Iran to obtain nukes the probability that they would use one against Israel to me is pretty remote, recognizing it would result in the elmination of Iran as a nation. MAD is a deterrent.

 

[kaya'08]

Realistically, I doubt this scenario is going to happen while the US itself is modernizing its nuclear force. Others would claim the US can't be trusted with nuclear weapons, being the only nation to have actually used them and more recently having shown to attack other nations based on false pretenses.

I dont trust the US much either, and your right, come to think of it they are the only nation that ever used such a weapon.
I think the UN should regulate the use and production of such weaponary, not just to Russia, China, or whatever it may be, but America too, and other western countries.
Anglo-German with some welsh you say? nice mix:]

 

[Iriemon]

I dont trust the US much either, and your right, come to think of it they are the only nation that ever used such a weapon.
I think the UN should regulate the use and production of such weaponary, not just to Russia, China, or whatever it may be, but America too, and other western countries.
Anglo-German with some welsh you say? nice mix:]

Thanks! My dad's side came from a small German town near the border of Denmark in the 1870s. My mom's (Parks) side I can trace back to a Connecticut preacher in the late 1650s.

Not an ounce of Muslim background that I'm aware of.

I dislike bigotry and I am still pissed off at the misrepresentations about Iraq which duped this country into the Iraq war. So when I see overbroad comments disaraging Muslims or blatnant falsehoods about other potential neocon targets like Iran, I speak up. I certainly don't agree with everything Iran does or Muslims do, but there are plenty of neocon types on the board which jump into Islam bashing points so I generally don't feel I have a lot to add that is useful in those kind of threads.

As a result it may appear I support Muslim or Iran interests more than I do. I just think it is important to give a fair picture, and I despise hateful bigotry.

But providing a fair picture enrages those whose goal it is to engender hate, and I get attacked frequently by those types.

 

[Ahmed Shaheen]

Obama will get rid of Guantanamo bay, as far as im concerned that bloody prison island just makes America look like a hypocrit with the torture etc

hope so

but what do reputable democracy had to do with nuclear ownage ?

 

[obvious Child]

Not worse than Guantanamo .

We don't execute people for theft, rape, adultery, or for simply being gay at Gitmo.

So no, it is worse then Gitmo.

 

[Ahmed Shaheen]

We don't execute people for theft, rape, adultery, or for simply being gay at Gitmo.

So no, it is worse then Gitmo.

huh ? do you think so ?
people in guantanamo prefere to die than getting Tortured and humiliated ..

 

[obvious Child]

huh ? do you think so?

Name me one person who was executed in Gitmo for anything.

people in guantanamo prefere to die than getting Tortured and humiliated ..

That's fundamentally different then executing people for things like stealing medicine to live, being gay and being raped. Most of them were insurgents.

Gitmo is bad, no doubt, but it's hardly like the judicial system of Iran which authorized the stoning of a 13 year old gang rape victim in 2004 for adultery

 

[Ahmed Shaheen]

Name me one person who was executed in Gitmo for anything.

they are'nt excuted , they die from the Torture , like how they did with al-jazeera channel Correspondent .

That's fundamentally different then executing people for things like stealing medicine to live, being gay and being raped. Most of them were insurgents.

who told you that they kill robbers , just prison or paying fines .
and for gays they are considered as a mentally ill person and get treated .
for the raped they are completely free from any punishments , cuz the are a victim .

Gitmo is bad, no doubt, but it's hardly like the judicial system of Iran which authorized the stoning of a 13 year old gang rape victim in 2004 for adultery

I dont know how adultry law is going there but isnt adultry a sin ?

 

[obvious Child]

:spin::spin::spin:

Again,

Name me one person who was executed in Gitmo for anything.

 

[Ahmed Shaheen]

Again,

Name me one person who was executed in Gitmo for anything.

sorry

 

[kaya'08]

No, i completely understand that, and i dont muslim bash. Im an Anglo-Turk myself from Britain, so bashing the religion that makes up a large majority of Turkey would be stupid
And yeah, Iraq will go down in history as the "wrong battlefield". I dont believe American soldiers have any business there, and Americans dont want to be there. However, i dont think the same mistake will be made with Iran, the fact that they are, at the end of the day, making nuclear weaponary is not a misrepresentation, but a fact, that proves to be a threat. However, i dont think Iran is much cause for concern at this point in time; yes, they have enough nucleur fuel to make one nucleur war head, but they do not have the technological means to than implement this into a nucleur warhead design. They are also bound to an agreement regarding nucleur weaponary with the UN as it is, and inspectors who asses the production of the nucleur fuel created in iran nucleur power plants would have been kicked out of the nucleur plants, and Iran would violate there agreement with the UN had they be currently creating nucleur warheads. Until than; i dont think Iran is much to worry about. However, come this time, should it come, when inspectors are not permitted to see what irans nucleur plants are up to, and when the UN agreement is breached, action should be taken to neutralize Iran. Any war as a result of this would not be based on a misrepresentation, but a mere fact; there creation of a nucleur warhead. I do not think it should be Americas job to invade Iran should it come to that, but neighbouring countries with the means to, with the support of the west. I think the US is fighting enough wars as it is.

 

[Real Talk]

quote: "the fact that they are, at the end of the day, making nuclear weaponary is not a misrepresentation, but a fact, that proves to be a threat."


Interestingly enough, this is a misrepresentation.
The reality is far more complex.
Iran is dependant upon russia for modern weapons systems and for its civilian nuclear programs. Russia does not desire a nuclear armed Iran. If Iran moves to gain said arms, Russia will withdraw its support for Iran. It is not impossible that they intend to do this, but it is not a safe assumption.

 

[jin1776]

I didn't have to go beyond the first screen to see this is typical bigoted hate propoganda from one of the boards resident bigots, who has posted before about his hate against Muslims and how all Muslims should be deported from the US.

The very first line of the video, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany, claims Iran "seeks to exterminate the Jews."

Both an ignorant and somewhat ironic thing to contend about a nation that hosts a small Jewish population (but the largest in the ME outside of Israel) that has been there for centuries,

Most of whom have been kicked out or otherwise forced to flee and for those that remain, they are 3rd class dhimma but at least they have it better than the Baha'is.

a nation whose government guarantees the Jew's religious freedom including permitting them to worship in synagouges and have Jewish schools and resturants and hospitals, and even guarantees the Jewish population a seat in parliament.

If by religous freedom you mean granting them 3rd class dhimma status, not allowing them to build those synagogues higher than any mosques, and not allowing them to prostelitize their faith. Not to mention that the punishment for converting to Judaism in Iran is death.

Who remembers how many Jews were allowed to sit in Hitler's Reichstag?

Only one less than the amount allowed to sit in the Iranian parliament.

 

[Wessexman]

As would I.

I do believe that Iran needs to be disarmed. Iran can have nuclear energy; however, they cannot be trusted to provide it for themselves. It should be imported to them.

This will guarantee they do not have the ability to manufacture nuclear arms.

Iran's government will never agree to this because they are trying to build nukes.

Ah the descendents of the Sassanids, Achaemenids and Abbasids(in part.) being lectured to with such contempt by someone from Denver. :roll:

 

[Vader]

Here are some more "typical pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda" sources that say the same thing as my post.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jews in Iran Describe a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran | csmonitor.com

BBC, wikipedia, and csmonitor -- all well known pro-islam-o-nazi propaganda sites.



I agree Christianity is not perfect, but where have I tried to cover up for the evils of Christianity?



Yep. And we know Vader's claim that Iran seeks to exterminate the Jews is accurate, because look at the Jews living in Iran who have been there for millennia. Why, at this rate, in another few thousand years those Jews may very well be exterminated. Iran must be just like Nazi Germany, as Vader claims. Just not as efficient, apparently.

Yet again, Iriemon tries to derail the thread by posting nonsense that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.

Nobody is talking about the jews in Iran except you, Irie. Stop your bull**** derail tactics immediately or a moderator will be notified.

This thread and the other you polluted with your lame attempts to derail it HAVE NOT ONE ****ING THING TO DO WITH THE JEWS.

Please get that through your damn head.