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So I've argued both sides of the abortion debate on this site, since when I started I was prolife. I am currently prochoice when it comes to legality, giving that choice to others, even though personally I'm still prolife and would not have an abortion except in circumstances related to my life/health being in significant danger (I have two sons who need me).
So having shared that, my question is, why, if there is an exception made to abortion laws, is incest always included with rape?
Logically either incest is consensual between adults or it is rape/child rape, or at the very least statutory rape, which would already be covered. So if it is consensual incest (since rape is already covered as an exception), then what reason is there for including incest as an exception?
I'm for allowing women to make the decision for themselves to carry a child, but the only thing that I can see that sets apart pregnancy from consensual incest and other pregnancies is the increased risk for birth defects. However, the thing is, most who would give this exception also would not include exceptions for when birth defects are found in utero for other pregnancies. They also would not give exceptions for those who have about a similar risk of birth defects given other factors, such as age, health of mother, or even occupation.
It actually makes more sense to make an exception for those under 18 or those over a certain age than broadly "incest".
So I've argued both sides of the abortion debate on this site, since when I started I was prolife. I am currently prochoice when it comes to legality, giving that choice to others, even though personally I'm still prolife and would not have an abortion except in circumstances related to my life/health being in significant danger (I have two sons who need me).
So having shared that, my question is, why, if there is an exception made to abortion laws, is incest always included with rape?
Logically either incest is consensual between adults or it is rape/child rape, or at the very least statutory rape, which would already be covered. So if it is consensual incest (since rape is already covered as an exception), then what reason is there for including incest as an exception?
I'm for allowing women to make the decision for themselves to carry a child, but the only thing that I can see that sets apart pregnancy from consensual incest and other pregnancies is the increased risk for birth defects. However, the thing is, most who would give this exception also would not include exceptions for when birth defects are found in utero for other pregnancies. They also would not give exceptions for those who have about a similar risk of birth defects given other factors, such as age, health of mother, or even occupation.
It actually makes more sense to make an exception for those under 18 or those over a certain age than broadly "incest".
Setting aside any moral/social arguments, my understanding is consanguinity leads to much greater instances of inbreeding depression and birth defects.
Incest is generally illegal whether consensual or not.
How does incest or rape change the value of a developing human fetus? Many of us may have been conceived during rape or incest, why would that decrease any of our individual humanity?
Abortion as about someone else apply an arbitrary definition of human worth to someone else. It is no different than genocide.
Due to insulated family power dynamics, incest is always rape.
I only partially agree, and not everyone does.
However, there are definitely cases where someone was raised apart from their siblings or even mother/father, and met those people later in life, as adults, and fell in love before they even knew they were related, especially that closely. There would be no power dynamics there, especially for siblings. Which only leaves chance of birth defects.
I'm leaning towards "free IUDs" where the government will pay for you to get an IUD.
Not everyone can use IUDs or other forms of birth control. I'm all for free IUDs, if you choose to get one, as this would be a way to decrease unwanted pregnancies.
Nope. Depends on the state and level of incest. Rhode Island for example has no laws against incest. And there are lots of states that allow all but immediate, blood siblings, parent/child relationships.
So what level of incest are the exceptions made for? What happens if laws against incest change?
That's a myth employed by "Southern folks" to excuse their "heritage".
All incest is rape.
I said it is GENERALLY illegal. 48 states prohibit it.
There are also other types of implants (chemical) that they can try too. One is a set of hormonal implants under the forearm skin.
Oh, please. Lottery chance encounters are not why hillfolk apologize for incest and try to pretend it's something innocent.
Don't buy into the family rape apology. Incest is rape.
I've shown that not all is. There are exceptions.
Plus, whether you like it or not, agree or not, the law does not view all incest or even most as rape. In most cases, both people, if of consenting age, are punished for incest, not just the oldest/elder, more dominant person.
So I've argued both sides of the abortion debate on this site, since when I started I was prolife. I am currently prochoice when it comes to legality, giving that choice to others, even though personally I'm still prolife and would not have an abortion except in circumstances related to my life/health being in significant danger (I have two sons who need me).
So having shared that, my question is, why, if there is an exception made to abortion laws, is incest always included with rape?
Logically either incest is consensual between adults or it is rape/child rape, or at the very least statutory rape, which would already be covered. So if it is consensual incest (since rape is already covered as an exception), then what reason is there for including incest as an exception?
I'm for allowing women to make the decision for themselves to carry a child, but the only thing that I can see that sets apart pregnancy from consensual incest and other pregnancies is the increased risk for birth defects. However, the thing is, most who would give this exception also would not include exceptions for when birth defects are found in utero for other pregnancies. They also would not give exceptions for those who have about a similar risk of birth defects given other factors, such as age, health of mother, or even occupation.
It actually makes more sense to make an exception for those under 18 or those over a certain age than broadly "incest".
Due to insulated family power dynamics, incest is always rape.
So I've argued both sides of the abortion debate on this site, since when I started I was prolife. I am currently prochoice when it comes to legality, giving that choice to others, even though personally I'm still prolife and would not have an abortion except in circumstances related to my life/health being in significant danger (I have two sons who need me).
So having shared that, my question is, why, if there is an exception made to abortion laws, is incest always included with rape?
Logically either incest is consensual between adults or it is rape/child rape, or at the very least statutory rape, which would already be covered. So if it is consensual incest (since rape is already covered as an exception), then what reason is there for including incest as an exception?
I'm for allowing women to make the decision for themselves to carry a child, but the only thing that I can see that sets apart pregnancy from consensual incest and other pregnancies is the increased risk for birth defects. However, the thing is, most who would give this exception also would not include exceptions for when birth defects are found in utero for other pregnancies. They also would not give exceptions for those who have about a similar risk of birth defects given other factors, such as age, health of mother, or even occupation.
It actually makes more sense to make an exception for those under 18 or those over a certain age than broadly "incest".
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