Why I Oppose Abortion

[choiceone]

Jesus loves the avi. btw, I agree. The one who truly has no choice is the innocent child.

There is no child during pregnancy - it's an embryo or fetus. And an embryo disabling the immune system of the body of a nine-year-old rape victim is only technically innocent in the same way a legally insane rapist is technically innocent. Lethal force can be used to remove either of them, and thank God for that.

 

[Paralogic]

A man can have sex with a woman if she is asleep or comatose and if he uses physical force. In none of those cases is a woman taking a risk of pregnancy.

I mentioned several times already in my previous comments that exceptions are a different issue. Pregnancy without the consent of a woman, as in violent cases, etc, have to be considered separately when determining risk.

However, in order for the anti-abortion argument to be consistent and worthy of discussion, then it has to reject *all* cases of abortion because if the embryo has human rights then the circumstances of its inception are irrelevant to those rights.

 

[choiceone]

I mentioned several times already in my previous comments that exceptions are a different issue. Pregnancy without the consent of a woman, as in violent cases, etc, have to be considered separately when determining risk.

However, in order for the anti-abortion argument to be consistent and worthy of discussion, then it has to reject *all* cases of abortion because if the embryo has human rights then the circumstances of its inception are irrelevant to those rights.

I think the "exceptions" arguments are lame, too, because consent to sexual intercourse =/= consent to the implantation of a blastocyst. The risk of pregnancy from sexual intercourse without contraception is not 50/50, but much lower, just as the risk of getting hit by another car while driving is much lower than 50%. And the fact that contraception lowers the risk even further, in some cases to less than 1%, means that using contraception is a very strong statement of nonconsent to pregnancy in spite of consenting to sexual intercourse. Moreover, today, it is possible to have an ovum fertilized by a sperm and a blastocyst implanted without sexual intercourse, in a fertility clinic, which has to get your consent to the procedures. I fail to see why one should be required to continue a pregnancy if one only consented to sex but not to pregnancy. I just don't think heterosexual vaginal intercourse = pregnancy, as I don't think french kissing = heterosexual vaginal intercourse.

 

[nota bene]

A man can have sex with a woman if she is asleep or comatose and if he uses physical force. In none of those cases is a woman taking a risk of pregnancy.

And none of these cases is typical either. Why do you always focus on the atypical?

 

[nota bene]

Opinions like yours are the reason why girls and women should refuse to have sex with all men and never marry them and be prepared to commit suicide if rape impregnates them. May Amazonia return!

Aren't you satisfied by how many emo and metro-males there already are?

 

[Knowledge=power]

This all comes down to people thinking they need to tell someone else what to do instead of just being happy with doing it themselves. Most of these people, (when it comes to choice issues) are religious, and use religion as a means to force their opinions on people. Live, and let live. It is not your life or your baby. If you don't believe in abortion, when you get knocked up, raise it, regardless of the method of conception. For the rest of us, we'll take our right to choose and go on being adults.

 

[SheWolf]

I'm a socialist, a feminist, and an environmentalist...

...and I oppose abortion.

This planet's natural resources are consumed so rapidly by recklessness, and that recklessness is only encouraged when people can make love without planning ahead. Also, I know people are concerned about unplanned pregnancies, but it degrades women to say it's OK to be stupid.

Lastly, abortion caters to the elite. It gives the masses an excuse to avoid doing something more constructive with their time, and lets elites abort to avoid taking on responsibility.

That is why I oppose abortion.

Calling a woman stupid due to her fertility is degrading and sexist. If you were a feminist you could try to argue something less sexist.

 

[SheWolf]

Every ounce of capital spent on their own children is an ounce less spent on keeping the proletariat oppressed.

Furthermore, if they have to hire servants, those are opportunities for elites' children to sympathize with the working class' plight. It increases the chance of permanent revolution into the future with servants leading the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Lol so you want rich people to have more and more children until they are financially strapped down. Your view if children is overwhelmingly negative.

 

[mac]

Opinions like yours are the reason why girls and women should refuse to have sex with all men and never marry them and be prepared to commit suicide if rape impregnates them. May Amazonia return!

Specially if they don't want to have a baby. :shrug:

 

[choiceone]

Specially if they don't want to have a baby. :shrug:

If a woman wants a baby, she should wait until she finds someone worth replicating, and in order to make more men worth replicating, it wouldn't hurt anyone if women all over the world went on a sex strike for a year to demand improvement from them as a whole class.

 

[mac]

If a woman wants a baby, she should wait until she finds someone worth replicating, and in order to make more men worth replicating, it wouldn't hurt anyone if women all over the world went on a sex strike for a year to demand improvement from them as a whole class.

So, you think sex is a weapon women should use to get what they want, huh? And so long as there is a strategical advantage, they should keep their legs closed...but avoiding the need to kill unborn children is no reason to not have sex...

 

[choiceone]

So, you think sex is a weapon women should use to get what they want, huh? And so long as there is a strategical advantage, they should keep their legs closed...but avoiding the need to kill unborn children is no reason to not have sex...

Men proved that sex is a weapon by raping women. Women then proved that no sex is a weapon by refusing to have sex with men. Yes, I do think that women should use their power not to have sex for strategical advantage. I really, really loved the play, Lysistrata, and always will.

I do not understand the rest of what you said, since I do not recognize embryos/fetuses as children and do not believe that anyone can make a good argument that embryos and previable fetuses even have the potential to have their own lives.

 

[mac]

Men proved that sex is a weapon by raping women. Women then proved that no sex is a weapon by refusing to have sex with men. Yes, I do think that women should use their power not to have sex for strategical advantage. I really, really loved the play, Lysistrata, and always will.

I do not understand the rest of what you said, since I do not recognize embryos/fetuses as children and do not believe that anyone can make a good argument that embryos and previable fetuses even have the potential to have their own lives.

So, you place your beliefs as equivalent to that of a rapist? Nice.

 

[Removable Mind]

So, you place your beliefs as equivalent to that of a rapist? Nice.

Mac, not to get in the middle of your bantering with Choice...but reading your reply...??? Can you explain how you come to say that Choices post is placing her beliefs as equivalent to a rapist?

 

[mac]

Mac, not to get in the middle of your bantering with Choice...but reading your reply...??? Can you explain how you come to say that Choices post is placing her beliefs as equivalent to a rapist?

Her comments are on par with saying "Jews should go holocaust on they ass!" :shrug: