Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[Big Eye]

When I said the UK I should have said England since Scotland ,Wales and NI have stricter mandates…which are giving them zero advantage with regard to deaths and infections over England.

The English tend to be more conservative by nature than the other parts of the U.K…which tend to be more left wing…so the English are willing to take a few calculated chances rather than depend on government “protection” like the more socialist areas. It looks to be working because the Moronic variant is about as dangerous as the sniffles and may well be useful to increase herd immunity.

 

[danielpalos]

When I said the UK I should have said England since Scotland ,Wales and NI have stricter mandates…which are giving them zero advantage with regard to deaths and infections over England.

The English tend to be more conservative by nature than the other parts of the U.K…which tend to be more left wing…so the English are willing to take a few calculated chances rather than depend on government “protection” like the more socialist areas. It looks to be working because the Moronic variant is about as dangerous as the sniffles and may well be useful to increase herd immunity.

It still hasn't been confirmed that the reason the latest variant is less adverse, is due to the previous vaccinations.

 

[Big Eye]

It still hasn't been confirmed that the reason the latest variant is less adverse, is due to the previous vaccinations.

Vaccination status in SA didn’t seem to matter…this is overwhelmingly a mild disease….even more mild than the previous itinerations

 

[Big Eye]

The MSM seem real keen to make this version seem very dangerous …even trying to spin its mildness as a reason for liberals to shit themselves.

 

[danielpalos]

Vaccination status in SA didn’t seem to matter…this is overwhelmingly a mild disease….even more mild than the previous itinerations

I agree to disagree in modern information age times.

In a country where vaccines are free, this was a more desirable approach than imposing additional lockdown restrictions as he said that new virus infections in general more than tripled in a week. Masks remain mandatory in public, and a curfew is in place from midnight to 4 a.m.

“We know enough about the variant to know what we need to do to reduce transmission and to protect ourselves against severe disease and death,” said Mr. Ramaphosa. “The first, the most powerful, tool we have is vaccination.”

South Africa, where Omicron was detected, is an outlier on the least vaccinated continent. (Published 2021)

The country has one of Africa’s better vaccination rates: Just under one-quarter of its population has been fully inoculated.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Big Eye]

I agree to disagree in modern information age times.

South Africa, where Omicron was detected, is an outlier on the least vaccinated continent. (Published 2021)

The country has one of Africa’s better vaccination rates: Just under one-quarter of its population has been fully inoculated.

www.nytimes.com

If people want to get vaccinated against a disease as mild as this then they’d better get vaccinated against the common cold because that is just as dangerous. The vaccinations currently in use were designed for the first variant and are utterly useless at stopping infections with the variants since Delta…also this variant is not risky (in terms of serious disease) for the vast majority of people…ie , over 99%.. so no point in vaccinating against it.

 

[Fledermaus]

The MSM seem real keen to make this version seem very dangerous …even trying to spin its mildness as a reason for liberals to shit themselves.

While the alternative press seem keen to keep pushing snake oil and nonsense.

 

[danielpalos]

If people want to get vaccinated against a disease as mild as this then they’d better get vaccinated against the common cold because that is just as dangerous. The vaccinations currently in use were designed for the first variant and are utterly useless at stopping infections with the variants since Delta…also this variant is not risky (in terms of serious disease) for the vast majority of people…ie , over 99%.. so no point in vaccinating against it.

I still agree to disagree, because we don't know enough about the effectiveness of the previous vaccines as it relates to the virulence of the current variant.

 

[Fledermaus]

When I said the UK I should have said England since Scotland ,Wales and NI have stricter mandates…which are giving them zero advantage with regard to deaths and infections over England.

The English tend to be more conservative by nature than the other parts of the U.K…which tend to be more left wing…so the English are willing to take a few calculated chances rather than depend on government “protection” like the more socialist areas. It looks to be working because the Moronic variant is about as dangerous as the sniffles and may well be useful to increase herd immunity.

Goalpost, Moving, 1 each

 

[Big Eye]

I still agree to disagree, because we don't know enough about the effectiveness of the previous vaccines as it relates to the virulence of the current variant.

The bulk of people in SA are not vaccinated…the disease is waning there after it’s recent spike…no spikes in deaths either , check out the graphs…

South Africa COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

South Africa Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[Fledermaus]

The bulk of people in SA are not vaccinated…the disease is waning there after it’s recent spike…no spikes in deaths either , check out the graphs…

South Africa COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

South Africa Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Interesting how the new variants come from less vaccinated areas .....

 

[danielpalos]

The bulk of people in SA are not vaccinated…the disease is waning there after it’s recent spike…no spikes in deaths either , check out the graphs…

South Africa COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

South Africa Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I prefer to believe the New York Times, even if only for nostalgic purposes.

 

[Big Eye]

Goalpost, Moving, 1 each

England is doing no differently to neighbouring countries ( whose lifestyles are pretty much identical) even though they have far stricter mandates . Your mandates do not work…other than making you feel like you’re doing something useful and proving your compliance to authority. Simple things for simple minds I guess.

 

[Fledermaus]

England is doing no differently to neighbouring countries ( whose lifestyles are pretty much identical) even though they have far stricter mandates . Your mandates do not work…other than making you feel like you’re doing something useful and proving your compliance to authority. Simple things for simple minds I guess.

More denial of reality.

Masking works where it is practiced.

Lockdowns work.

Social distancing works.

Basic hygiene works.

Vaccines work.

 

[Big Eye]

Interesting how the new variants come from less vaccinated areas .....

A simple fact for you…it may be the case that it didn’t start in SA…it was simply discovered there first. SA has some of the best virologists and labs in the world…years of coping with a much more serious virus than Covid….HIV.

 

[danielpalos]

England is doing no differently to neighbouring countries ( whose lifestyles are pretty much identical) even though they have far stricter mandates . Your mandates do not work…other than making you feel like you’re doing something useful and proving your compliance to authority. Simple things for simple minds I guess.

In my opinion, the South Africa approach is rational and can be considered, necessary and proper.

In a country where vaccines are free, this was a more desirable approach than imposing additional lockdown restrictions as he said that new virus infections in general more than tripled in a week. Masks remain mandatory in public, and a curfew is in place from midnight to 4 a.m.

“We know enough about the variant to know what we need to do to reduce transmission and to protect ourselves against severe disease and death,” said Mr. Ramaphosa. “The first, the most powerful, tool we have is vaccination.”

 

[Big Eye]

More denial of reality.

Masking works where it is practiced.

Lockdowns work.

Social distancing works.

Basic hygiene works.

Vaccines work.

Only in the crazy world between your ears do your views match “reality”.

 

[Fledermaus]

A simple fact for you…it may be the case that it didn’t start in SA…it was simply discovered there first. SA has some of the best virologists and labs in the world…years of coping with a much more serious virus than Covid….HIV.

And spread like wildfire in part because of the unvaxxed and poor following of the common sense rules mandated elsewhere.

 

[Fledermaus]

Only in the crazy world between your ears do your views match “reality”.

My "world" is based on scientific reality.

Yours? Not so much.

 

[Big Eye]

In my opinion, the South Africa approach is rational and can be considered, necessary and proper.

Well it turns out he is wrong…SA dealt with the worst part of the Moronic wave without having anything like our vaccination rates.

 

[Big Eye]

And spread like wildfire in part because of the unvaxxed and poor following of the common sense rules mandated elsewhere.

Omicron is spreading around the world…the vax doesn’t stop it and nor do the mandates. Your “common sense “ rules do not work as it can be easily demonstrated that places like Florida are doing pretty much as well as places like your shithole.

 

[Ethel2]

I still agree to disagree, because we don't know enough about the effectiveness of the previous vaccines as it relates to the virulence of the current variant.

Its not known why omicron seems to be less virulent. There are many possible explanations, one of which is previous vaccination. Another is that, especially in SA, many people have already had a form of covid and there is cross protection from a similar but not identical virus. Another reason could be that the people getting infected now are perhaps younger with the more vulnerable people being more careful and more likely to get vaccinated. This should get sorted out in the weeks ahead.

 

[Big Eye]

I prefer to believe the New York Times, even if only for nostalgic purposes.

The MSM can not be trusted…they are dependent on big pharma money and also tend to be owned by the same people… like Gates.

 

[danielpalos]

Well it turns out he is wrong…SA dealt with the worst part of the Moronic wave without having anything like our vaccination rates.

You are welcome to your unsubstantiated opinion.

In a country where vaccines are free, this was a more desirable approach than imposing additional lockdown restrictions as he said that new virus infections in general more than tripled in a week. Masks remain mandatory in public, and a curfew is in place from midnight to 4 a.m.

What part of that is irrational as public policy?

 

[Big Eye]

Its not known why omicron seems to be less virulent. There are many possible explanations, one of which is previous vaccination. Another is that, especially in SA, many people have already had a form of covid and there is cross protection from a similar but not identical virus. Another reason could be that the people getting infected now are perhaps younger with the more vulnerable people being more careful and more likely to get vaccinated. This should get sorted out in the weeks ahead.

It might just be the case that a less dangerous virus has more chance of spreading.