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Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

Got a link from a reliable source to support your contention? Might be true, but I find it hard to believe that vaccines create more spike protein that an overwhelming infection.
They do ...and on a more regular , longer lasting basis. At work so will check later if I remember.

These spike proteins are known to cause health issues ...there is no doubt on that matter.
 
Strange how the numbers in US predominantly show the unvaxxed out number vaxxed deaths by approximately 9 to 1.

Hmmmm

And Israel, Singapore, etc. link lower death rates to Vaccine.
You'll have to check the numbers again...I know you struggle with them. In the UK 2/3 of people in hospital are at least double vaxxed ( and rising) The vaxxed are just over 50% of people in ICU...so the unvaxxed are still over represented there ...but I have a feeling these boosters will change that.

I have heard that the US is skewing the numbers with regard to who is in hospital with Covid...in the UK you are counted as unvaxxed for the first two weeks of vaccination ...so that is one way that the numbers are misleading..those first two weeks also include a spike in deaths.
 
Delta changed things. That is reality.

Both deaths and infection plummeting after vaccines pre Delta.
All along it was known that new vaccine resistant variants would emerge. People were misled into believing that once the vulnerable were vaxxed life would get back to normal...one of many lies the gullible have bought into.
 
I guess we will see when the true scale of adverse reactions is known. With each "booster" it will become more apparent that these vaccines are harmful in the long run. But I'm prepared to wait this coming winter out to fully commit to the idea...I'll hold back on the booster until late spring and then decide whether or not it is worth it....they may have released a more dangerous variant by then after all.
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
 
What 'rights'. Be specific. And no, you don't have a 'right' to go on holiday-or you can show me the legislation giving you this 'right'.
You do not understand that it is a basic right to leave the country...they are making that an option only for the wealthy...yet again you display your fascist leanings.

All mandates are an infringement on rights...only a moron doesn't realise that .
 
You do not understand that it is a basic right to leave the country...they are making that an option only for the wealthy...yet again you display your fascist leanings.

All mandates are an infringement on rights...only a moron doesn't realise that .
Where are these 'rights' to be found? Any legislation, anywhere, stating categorically that you have this 'right'? And quit the 'fascist' stupidity; it does nothing but demonstrate your desperation.
 
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
There is a direction of travel..you don't need a crystal ball just some eyes and commonsense. It is clear that many of the rules being placed on us are about power not this lame virus...for instance there is no logical reason for Covid passes if the vaccines do not stop infection to a low level.
 
There is a direction of travel..you don't need a crystal ball just some eyes and commonsense. It is clear that many of the rules being placed on us are about power not this lame virus...for instance there is no logical reason for Covid passes if the vaccines do not stop infection to a low level.
Yeah, whatever you say. Your idea of 'common sense' is little more than making assumptions, guesses and paranoid conspiracy crap of the 'everyone knows' variety.
 
Where are these 'rights' to be found? Any legislation, anywhere, stating categorically that you have this 'right'? And quit the 'fascist' stupidity; it does nothing but demonstrate your desperation.
Anyone that thinks mandates are not anti rights is a moron. I'm not even going to discuss that , it's bleeding obvious.
 
Yeah, whatever you say. Your idea of 'common sense' is little more than making assumptions, guesses and paranoid conspiracy crap.
Explain why Covid vaccine passes are useful if the vaccines do not prevent infection...ta.
 
It's political now; Biden is in office so anything he does or says must therefore be automatically protested against, irrespective of its validity, by the opposition.
Like you were under Trump. You people weren't going to take the vaccine AT ALL because it was developed under Trump. Now you can wait to inject a ****ing gallon of it into your bodies because it's Biden. Give me a break. The real point is people don't like mandates.
 
Like you were under Trump. You people weren't going to take the vaccine AT ALL because it was developed under Trump. Now you can wait to inject a ****ing gallon of it into your bodies because it's Biden. Give me a break. The real point is people don't like mandates.
I'm British; and thankfully I was never 'under' Trump. He was your embarrassing problem-we just laughed at him and his profound ignorance. Oh, and the vaccine-especially the predominant Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, was researched and developed in Germany, using Pfizer's own money. Nothing whatsoever to do with Trump, US funding or the ridiculously named 'warp speed'.
 
Ok, I'm a moron. What does that make you and your absurd 'libertarian' nonsense? Nobody tells you what to do, right, including paying tax?
If I had a right and then it is removed or priced out by government mandate then that is an infringement on my rights. This is not rocket science.
 
Simply this; a vaccinated person is far less likely to become seriously sick and hospitalised.
That has **** all to do with Covid passes. Also the risk of serious illness from Covid is extremely small to 99% of people ...so the idea of there being a big reduction in risk is overplayed...the risks were always tiny.
 
If I had a right and then it is removed or priced out by government mandate then that is an infringement on my rights. This is not rocket science.
But you have no 'right' to be removed! I already asked you where I could find some legislation demonstrating this alleged 'right' that you have to travel. Where is it? We don't have a written constitution, remember?
 
That has **** all to do with Covid passes. Also the risk of serious illness from Covid is extremely small to 99% of people ...so the idea of there being a big reduction in risk is overplayed...the risks were always tiny.
Your opinion. Sadly not shared by the majority.
 
All along it was known that new vaccine resistant variants would emerge. People were misled into believing that once the vulnerable were vaxxed life would get back to normal...one of many lies the gullible have bought into.

In other words vaccines DID allow us to back towards normalcy until the rise of Delta. Just as people were told.

Where is the lie?

That they had no good crystal balls?
You'll have to check the numbers again...I know you struggle with them. In the UK 2/3 of people in hospital are at least double vaxxed ( and rising) The vaxxed are just over 50% of people in ICU...so the unvaxxed are still over represented there ...but I have a feeling these boosters will change that.


If 100% of the population is vaxxed than 100% of infections will be vaxxed.

Derp.

I have heard that the US is skewing the numbers with regard to who is in hospital with Covid...in the UK you are counted as unvaxxed for the first two weeks of vaccination ...so that is one way that the numbers are misleading..those first two weeks also include a spike in deaths.

"You have hears" is shorthand for "I pulled this out of my ass".
 
Like you were under Trump. You people weren't going to take the vaccine AT ALL because it was developed under Trump. Now you can wait to inject a ****ing gallon of it into your bodies because it's Biden. Give me a break. The real point is people don't like mandates.

What "you people" are you babbling about?

The oft repeated lie that Harris et al supposedly stated that?
 
They do ...and on a more regular , longer lasting basis. At work so will check later if I remember.

These spike proteins are known to cause health issues ...there is no doubt on that matter.
Dismissed now and dismissed going forward.
 
Vaccine passport is control. Look at China and their social score. There is no proof vaccines works.
 
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