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Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

Fledermaus said:
You have been wrong on just about everything you have prattled about in regards to COVID.

Then you claim "I guarantee I understand this situation far more than you…as time will prove."

You are laughably at the Alex Berenson level of wrong.
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You’d have to explain why one of the top statisticians and risk assessment professors in the world has looked at the U.K. government numbers with his team and come to the conclusion that there is no overall greater mortality in the unvaxxed than the vaxxed ….which ties in neatly with the fact that most people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Seriously , if you can’t do that then go back to sleep in your bunker.

There are other issues too, but that’s a nice one for you to start with…good luck because , call it a hunch, I think Norman Fenton is a bit brighter than you.🤣😂
 
jaeger19 said:
Look..I get that you don't understand what peer reviewed means. .
However. It still stands the study showed that if you were previously infected and got one shot ....your risk of reinfection dropped by over 50%.
That's your study.

By the way..the vaccines aren't 100% effective ..
So duh..of course they are not going to " stop" a spike in infections.
Honestly. You have no clue what you are talking about.
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Seriously try rereading mate…having a vaccine after infection improves your immunity slightly , nowhere near 50%.

Natural immunity is clearly better than the vaccines…so why aren’t antibody tests that show immunity as good as vaccines when it comes to ,say , keeping a job ? I guess there is no money or control in natural immunity.
 
Big Eye said:
You’d have to explain why one of the top statisticians and risk assessment professors in the world has looked at the U.K. government numbers with his team and come to the conclusion that there is no overall greater mortality in the unvaxxed than the vaxxed ….which ties in neatly with the fact that most people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Seriously , if you can’t do that then go back to sleep in your bunker.

There are other issues too, but that’s a nice one for you to start with…good luck because , call it a hunch, I think Norman Fenton is a bit brighter than you.🤣😂
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Asked and answered.
 
Fledermaus said:
Asked and answered.
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You have not answered a single question during this whole debacle…I know you do not notice much but it’s very sad that you no longer realise what you are doing. Change over to one of these bud…

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jaeger19 said:
Look..I get that you don't understand what peer reviewed means. .
However. It still stands the study showed that if you were previously infected and got one shot ....your risk of reinfection dropped by over 50%.
That's your study.

By the way..the vaccines aren't 100% effective ..
So duh..of course they are not going to " stop" a spike in infections.
Honestly. You have no clue what you are talking about.
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I’ve dug back to find the study…it’s not mine btw, it’s an Israeli study. Here are the results…

“RESULTS Confirmed infection rates increased according to time elapsed since the last immunity-conferring event in all cohorts. For unvaccinated previously infected individuals they increased from 10.5 per 100,000 risk-days for those previously infected 4-6 months ago to 30.2 for those previously infected over a year ago. For individuals receiving a single dose following prior infection they increased from 3.7 per 100,000 person days among those vaccinated in the past two months to 11.6 for those vaccinated over 6 months ago. For vaccinated previously uninfected individuals the rate per 100,000 person days increased from 21.1 for persons vaccinated within the first two months to 88.9 for those vaccinated more than 6 months ago.”

You can see that after 4-6 months the infection rate in the unvaccinated previously infected was 10.5 per 100,000. The infection rate for those previously infected and with a jab was 11.6 6 months later…hardly a 50% increase in protection. It can be seen that the protection rate for the double jabbed without previous infection drops more rapidly than any other cohort. Previous infection is clearly longer lasting in terms of protection ….the protection after 1 year only 50% less than 2 month old double vaxxed .
 
www.medrxiv.org

Protection and waning of natural and hybrid COVID-19 immunity

BACKGROUND Infection with SARS-CoV-2 provides substantial natural immunity against reinfection. Recent studies have shown strong waning of the immunity provided by the BNT162b2 vaccine. The time course of natural and hybrid immunity is unknown. METHODS Data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
 
snakestretcher said:
Is there anything in the Constitution about seat belts? I believe they are mandatory also. Would you whine about your 'rights' to the cops if you got pulled over and got a citation for not wearing yours?
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Seatbelt laws were passed via legislation, not executive order. Therein lies the difference. Had seatbelt laws been an executive order, they would be unconstitutional, too. See how that works?
 
Big Eye said:
www.medrxiv.org

Protection and waning of natural and hybrid COVID-19 immunity

BACKGROUND Infection with SARS-CoV-2 provides substantial natural immunity against reinfection. Recent studies have shown strong waning of the immunity provided by the BNT162b2 vaccine. The time course of natural and hybrid immunity is unknown. METHODS Data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
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This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
 
Big Eye said:
Seriously try rereading mate…having a vaccine after infection improves your immunity slightly , nowhere near 50%.

Natural immunity is clearly better than the vaccines…so why aren’t antibody tests that show immunity as good as vaccines when it comes to ,say , keeping a job ? I guess there is no money or control in natural immunity.
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I did read it. You didnt read it. According to your article..natural immunity waned to 30 risks days..
While natural immunity plus one shot waned to just 11 risk days.
11 days is more than half the risk of 30 risk days.
And in no way I'd natural immunity better..
Cripes you ridiculous dude...to get natural immunity YOU HAVE TO RISK DEATH FROM COVID!.
Of course the vaccinated group is going to have lower immunity than the natural infected group...
Duh..anyone with poor immune systems in the infected group DIED!.
Leaving only those with strong immune systems in the " natural immunity" group.

Meanwhile those in tge vaccinated group include tons of immunisuppressed people whowill not die when they get infected!!!.

Man..you need to realize that you have no clue what you are talking an about. I just stated a very simple concept about immunity and you obviously don't understand it. You need to stop posting.
 
Big Eye said:
You’d have to explain why one of the top statisticians and risk assessment professors in the world has looked at the U.K. government numbers with his team and come to the conclusion that there is no overall greater mortality in the unvaxxed than the vaxxed ….which ties in neatly with the fact that most people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Seriously , if you can’t do that then go back to sleep in your bunker.

There are other issues too, but that’s a nice one for you to start with…good luck because , call it a hunch, I think Norman Fenton is a bit brighter than you.🤣😂
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I can answer that you ridiculous dude.

Remember how you keep saying over and over how " vovid only kills the old..the sick..you know those that die anyway"..

Well those that were vaccinated first and who are most likely to be vaccinated ARE THE ELDERLY ..FRAIL AND SICK PEOPLE"
who are of course more likely to die of other rhings!!! I.e. their overall mortality is greater.
 
Big Eye said:
I’ve dug back to find the study…it’s not mine btw, it’s an Israeli study. Here are the results…

“RESULTS Confirmed infection rates increased according to time elapsed since the last immunity-conferring event in all cohorts. For unvaccinated previously infected individuals they increased from 10.5 per 100,000 risk-days for those previously infected 4-6 months ago to 30.2 for those previously infected over a year ago. For individuals receiving a single dose following prior infection they increased from 3.7 per 100,000 person days among those vaccinated in the past two months to 11.6 for those vaccinated over 6 months ago. For vaccinated previously uninfected individuals the rate per 100,000 person days increased from 21.1 for persons vaccinated within the first two months to 88.9 for those vaccinated more than 6 months ago.”

You can see that after 4-6 months the infection rate in the unvaccinated previously infected was 10.5 per 100,000. The infection rate for those previously infected and with a jab was 11.6 6 months later…hardly a 50% increase in protection. It can be seen that the protection rate for the double jabbed without previous infection drops more rapidly than any other cohort. Previous infection is clearly longer lasting in terms of protection ….the protection after 1 year only 50% less than 2 month old double vaxxed .
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Um.
10.5 to 30.5 for those infected
3.7 to 11.6 for thos infected and one dose.

30.5. Is more than twice 11.6.

Stop posting.
 
jaeger19 said:
I did read it. You didnt read it. According to your article..natural immunity waned to 30 risks days..
While natural immunity plus one shot waned to just 11 risk days.
11 days is more than half the risk of 30 risk days.
And in no way I'd natural immunity better..
Cripes you ridiculous dude...to get natural immunity YOU HAVE TO RISK DEATH FROM COVID!.
Of course the vaccinated group is going to have lower immunity than the natural infected group...
Duh..anyone with poor immune systems in the infected group DIED!.
Leaving only those with strong immune systems in the " natural immunity" group.

Meanwhile those in tge vaccinated group include tons of immunisuppressed people whowill not die when they get infected!!!.

Man..you need to realize that you have no clue what you are talking an about. I just stated a very simple concept about immunity and you obviously don't understand it. You need to stop posting.
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You are still not getting it lol. No one is saying deliberately get infected ( unless you are confident in the outcome) , the point is that a simple antibody test would show whether or not you required vaccination. Natural immunity is clearly better than vaccination…though you can improve on that marginally with one jab…if you want to take the risk of vaccination.

Evidence seems to indicate the vaccines are very poor for the immunosuppressed…they seem not to produce enough antibodies.

If you work in healthcare maybe consider further education…you could do with a boost in your knowledge rather than in your shoulder lol.
 
jaeger19 said:
I can answer that you ridiculous dude.

Remember how you keep saying over and over how " vovid only kills the old..the sick..you know those that die anyway"..

Well those that were vaccinated first and who are most likely to be vaccinated ARE THE ELDERLY ..FRAIL AND SICK PEOPLE"
who are of course more likely to die of other rhings!!! I.e. their overall mortality is greater.
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Omg , can you actually get anything right? Are you a cleaner in a hospital ?

Anyone that dies in the first two weeks of vaccination is counted as an unvaccinated death…and it’s the first two weeks after vaccination rollout that there is a death spike…didn’t you know that?

The study is broken down into age groups…so it compares all cause deaths amongst the same age cohorts…80 year old unvaxxed are no more likely to die than 80 year old vaxxed.

Dude, seriously , stop showing yourself up…I feel embarrassed for you.😂🤣
 
jaeger19 said:
Um.
10.5 to 30.5 for those infected
3.7 to 11.6 for thos infected and one dose.

30.5. Is more than twice 11.6.

Stop posting.
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**** me , I feel like I’m talking to a 10 year old…check out the ****ing time spans not just the infection risk…****ing hell..
 
Fledermaus said:
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
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Big Eye said:
People like you haven’t got a ****ing clue about science…some aspects of it is long term studies and follow ups to people taking new types of medicine …being honest about the level of adverse reactions and the fact the vaccines are shit at stopping infection and have not been tested by a winter. None of that counts for you because you believe in the type of “Science” that no one questions…you have a drone like obedience to the words of government and big pharma…time will show you up for what you are.
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To me, the most salient point about the science of the Covid vaccine is this: mRNA vaccines have been researched for 30-ish years. In all that time, prior to Covid, how many mRNA vaccines made it to market? ...... uh ...... Zero. Not a single one was able to make it to the FDA approval process. You'd think in all that time the science of mRNA vaccines would have been perfected to allow them to make it to market. Yet, magically, POOF! The mRNA covid vaccine accomplished what all those others couldn't - and in less than a year even. If the development of the Covid vaccine solved the problems with mRNA vaccines - how many of these other vaccines used that "fix" and are available now? Zero. Why is that?

If the truth was told about the vaccine, more people just might be inclined to take it. Instead, all that's being put forth is how the vaccine is a panacea. It isn't. By lying, the rabid pro vax crowd is doing more harm than good.
 
Big Eye said:
You are still not getting it lol. No one is saying deliberately get infected ( unless you are confident in the outcome) , the point is that a simple antibody test would show whether or not you required vaccination. Natural immunity is clearly better than vaccination…though you can improve on that marginally with one jab…if you want to take the risk of vaccination.

Evidence seems to indicate the vaccines are very poor for the immunosuppressed…they seem not to produce enough antibodies.

If you work in healthcare maybe consider further education…you could do with a boost in your knowledge rather than in your shoulder lol.
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No..you don't get it. A simple antibody test does not tell anyone if you need vaccination as it does not tell you definitively the level of immunity you have.
And vaccination us critical for the immunosuppressed
Both for themselves to give their bodies,a chance at fighting off the disease.
And for others to get vaccinated to protect the immuno suppressed.
You don't have clue about medical matters and should stop posting
 
Big Eye said:
**** me , I feel like I’m talking to a 10 year old…check out the ****ing time spans not just the infection risk…****ing hell..
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Yes..check the time spans..from what your article used.
You just don't even understand the research you cited.
 
Big Eye said:
Omg , can you actually get anything right? Are you a cleaner in a hospital ?

Anyone that dies in the first two weeks of vaccination is counted as an unvaccinated death…and it’s the first two weeks after vaccination rollout that there is a death spike…didn’t you know that?

The study is broken down into age groups…so it compares all cause deaths amongst the same age cohorts…80 year old unvaxxed are no more likely to die than 80 year old vaxxed.

Dude, seriously , stop showing yourself up…I feel embarrassed for you.😂🤣
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Yeah no dude.
You asked about overall mortality between vaxxed and unvaccinated in the population.
But link to your study so I cam prove you wrong yet again.
Cripes..you have been shown to be wrong so many times its like you want to be proven wrong.
Let's see your link regarding this two week spike after vaccination.
 
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