Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[Ethel2]

The deal is …numbers, correctly interpreted, do not lie ( check out the links to all mortality death in England…age adjusted , no benefit to vaccines). Also clear signs of cheating …ie, not counting those vaccinated within the first two weeks of the first jab as vaccinated. No doubt soon I will be classed as unvaccinated since I will not be getting a booster without good reason. This is clearly a stitch-up , you’d have to be a bit slow on the up-take not to realise it.

Sorry.
I am done debunking this BS for right now.
When you can deal in facts we can have a rational debate.
Perhaps you can provide proof from a REPUTABLE SOURCE that proves that covid related deaths increase the first two weeks after the first shot, and support it with a link from that reputable source.

 

[Big Eye]

All cause deaths are not specific to anything at all.
You have been played.

You clearly do not understand why age adjusted all cause deaths are important…they remove any wrongful diagnosis, but include deaths that may have resulted from vaccinations ( eg, lowered immunity caused by the jab in the first two weeks at the height of the ****ing pandemic… that would then be put down as a Covid death) …hope that helps you figure it out…

 

[Big Eye]

Sorry.
I am done debunking this BS for right now.
When you can deal in facts we can have a rational debate.
Perhaps you can provide proof from a REPUTABLE SOURCE that proves that covid related deaths increase the first two weeks after the first shot, and support it with a link from that reputable source.

Explain why you are not counted as vaccinated for the first two weeks …and why there is an infection spike immediately after the first jab….

 

[Ethel2]

Explain why you are not counted as vaccinated for the first two weeks …and why there is an infection spike immediately after the first jab….

You aren’t counted as vaccinated until two weeks after your second dose of a two dose vaccine.
Please provide a link to a reputable source that proves that infectious from Covid are increased during two weeks after the first vaccine shot.
The proof should come from a medical journal such as Lancet or JAMA, the CDC, or similar reputable sources.

 

[Fledermaus]

I think we’ll know who the bullshitters are …and who have swallowed it by next spring/summer. I think it’s unquestioning people like you…people that trust big pharma and politicians to provide them with truth. Sad….and a bit pathetic. The left used to be the ones questioning authority…now they ****ing worship it.

And the beat goes on... And the beat goes on.........

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Fledermaus]

Explain why you are not counted as vaccinated for the first two weeks …and why there is an infection spike immediately after the first jab….

You don't know why?

And you claim to be knowledgeable in COVID.

 

[Big Eye]

This is an interview with a professor of statistics who has basically proved there is no excess deaths in the unvaccinated over the vaccinated…it’s easy to follow for people that do not understand numbers…

 

[Fledermaus]

This is an interview with a professor of statistics who has basically proved there is no excess deaths in the unvaccinated over the vaccinated…it’s easy to follow for people that do not understand numbers…

Spamming....

Antivaxx BS.

Why It's Easy to Misinterpret Numbers of Deaths Among the Vaccinated - FactCheck.org

Raw numbers of hospitalizations or deaths among those who are vaccinated are not a good indicator of whether vaccines are effective. If the large majority of a population is vaccinated, it's not surprising if most deaths are among the vaccinated. But social media posts misuse data from the U.K...

www.factcheck.org

Mate , you ran out of answers months ago…you have nothing left in the tank …have a break from posting.

Spamming videos and links aren't debate.

Which may be the smart route for you as your claims have been squashed repeatedly.

 

[jaeger19]

You don’t seem to understand basic facts. It may be the case that the vaccines prevent some deaths but it may also be the case that the numbers are being manipulated to make them look much better than they are. As I’ve pointed out above…not counting the first 14 days after the first dose as being vaccinated is just one way the numbers have been altered…even though the vax causes increased chance of infection in the first 2 weeks. Not looking at all cause deaths rather than just those that have been assigned ( fairly ?) to Covid misses any deaths due to the vaccine ( heart issues for instance…or even deaths due to mandates).

You have been played.

Dude.. you are being played like a banjo.
Stop posting and spreading disinformation.

You are not counted as vaccinated after the first vaccination because you only get about 33% protection from the first vaccination and the vaccination is MEANT as a two shot regimen.. as other vaccinations are by the way.

You aren;t counted as vaccinated if you only have one vaccination of mmr for example.

You don;t know what you are talking about.. please stop.

 

[Big Eye]

Dude.. you are being played like a banjo.
Stop posting and spreading disinformation.

You are not counted as vaccinated after the first vaccination because you only get about 33% protection from the first vaccination and the vaccination is MEANT as a two shot regimen.. as other vaccinations are by the way.

You aren;t counted as vaccinated if you only have one vaccination of mmr for example.

You don;t know what you are talking about.. please stop.

There is a spike in deaths in the two weeks following vaccination ...when the person is conveniently counted as unvaxxed. Get with the program.

 

[Big Eye]

Spamming....

Antivaxx BS.

Why It's Easy to Misinterpret Numbers of Deaths Among the Vaccinated - FactCheck.org

Raw numbers of hospitalizations or deaths among those who are vaccinated are not a good indicator of whether vaccines are effective. If the large majority of a population is vaccinated, it's not surprising if most deaths are among the vaccinated. But social media posts misuse data from the U.K...

www.factcheck.org

Spamming videos and links aren't debate.

Which may be the smart route for you as your claims have been squashed repeatedly.

Lol...the man in the YouTube link is a professor of statistics and risk assessment at a leading UK University...I reckon he has a better grasp on this than you...call it a hunch.

 

[Big Eye]

Here he is...seems quite well qualified to make risk assessments about the virus and vaccines to me...he seems like he'd know more than Fleder lol.

Norman Fenton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[jaeger19]

There is a spike in deaths in the two weeks following vaccination ...when the person is conveniently counted as unvaxxed. Get with the program.

Well first please link to this information..then we can discuss.

 

[Fledermaus]

Here he is...seems quite well qualified to make risk assessments about the virus and vaccines to me...he seems like he'd know more than Fleder lol.

Norman Fenton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More rote spamming.

 

[Fledermaus]

Here he is...seems quite well qualified to make risk assessments about the virus and vaccines to me...he seems like he'd know more than Fleder lol.

Norman Fenton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thousands facing heart problems due to ‘post-pandemic stress disorder’

Up to 300,000 people in the UK are facing heart-related illnesses due to post-pandemic stress disorder (PPSD), two London physicians have warned.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Big Eye]

Well first please link to this information..then we can discuss.

I’ve linked to this before but it’s a straight forward explanation of why not counting the first two weeks after vaccination as being vaccinated skews the figures…

Why hide what happens in the first two weeks after vaccination? – HART

There have been numerous papers that have shown how well the vaccines protect people after the second dose. Some of this effect is a mirage. The effect happens as a result of inaccurate measuring and a phenomenon called survivorship bias.

www.hartgroup.org

 

[Ethel2]

I’ve linked to this before but it’s a straight forward explanation of why not counting the first two weeks after vaccination as being vaccinated skews the figures…

Why hide what happens in the first two weeks after vaccination? – HART

There have been numerous papers that have shown how well the vaccines protect people after the second dose. Some of this effect is a mirage. The effect happens as a result of inaccurate measuring and a phenomenon called survivorship bias.

www.hartgroup.org

We asked for a link to a reputable source, not a piece of junk like your link. JAMA. CDC. LANCET...etc. Since you provided rubbish twice as your only supporting documentation we can all assume you have nothing.
Next topic.

 

[Big Eye]

More rote spamming.

So I’m spamming by passing on the clear and concise methods a professor of statistics and risk…a very highly respected one at that with numerous awards and qualifications to his name…uses to show there is simply no greater risk of all causes death to the unvaxxed compared to the vaxxed ?

You just can’t handle the fact that your faiths are being systematically torn to pieces….there is more to come I am sure.

 

[Big Eye]

We asked for a link to a reputable source, not a piece of junk like your link. JAMA. CDC. LANCET...etc. Since you provided rubbish twice as your only supporting documentation we can all assume you have nothing.
Next topic.

You’re like the kid putting fingers in its ears and going “lalalalala” …childish in the extreme…for a so called medical professional it’s all very embarrassing …you should be interested in truth not the bandwagon you have jumped on.

Get this in your head…there is no difference in age adjusted all cause death rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed…that means you have been sold a pup…ie, not very good vaccines …I can see why you’re upset with yourself after jabbing loads of kids, I would be too…

 

[Big Eye]

Btw, Professor Norman Fenton has also pointed out the strange uptick in deaths in the 2 weeks following vaccination…that then gets blamed on the unvaccinated…for getting ****ing vaccinated …lol.

 

[Big Eye]

Look at Fenton’s accumulated honours…call it a hunch but I think he knows how to interpret statistics lol…

• BBC Documentary "Climate Change by Numbers" (which Fenton co-presented, screened first 2 March 2015) won the following awards:
  • American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Science Journalism Gold Award for "best in-depth TV reporting" 2015. details here.
  • European Science TV and New Media Award for the best Science programme on an environmental issue, 2015.
• Faculty of Science and Engineering Research Award (Queen Mary University of London) 2015
• Lead Researcher in award of a Cambridge University Newton Institute Programme Semester (topic is Probability and Statistics in Forensic Science) to take place 18 July – 21 December 2016.
• Awarded European Research Council Advanced Fellowship Grant (value 1,572,562 euros for a 4-year programme) 1 April 2014.
• The Fenton and Neil paper "A critique of software defect prediction models" placed in top 1% most influential papers in its field based on number of citations (according to Essential Science Indicators).
• International Patent (Publication Number WO 03/090466) for Improved TV Programme Selection (based on Bayesian Networks, Fuzzy Logic and an original approach to TV programme classification).
• Named as one of the world's 15 top scholars (for the third time). Glass RL and Chen TY, "An assessment of Systems and Software Engineering scholars and institutions (1996–2000)", Journal of Systems and Software 59, 107–113, Oct 2001.
• Appointed Professor at City University at the age of 34.
• ATM Flett prize for MSc, 1979.
• Top First Class Degree, University of London, 1978.
• School Scholar at LSE 1976–78.
• Winner of LSE Undergraduate Prize 1976, 1977.
• Chartered Engineer, Member of the IET (since 1987).
• Chartered Mathematician, Fellow of the IMA (AFIMA 1988, FIMA 1998).
• Fellow of the BCS (British Computer Society) since 2005.

 

[Big Eye]

Thousands facing heart problems due to ‘post-pandemic stress disorder’

Up to 300,000 people in the UK are facing heart-related illnesses due to post-pandemic stress disorder (PPSD), two London physicians have warned.

www.standard.co.uk

Lol…that’s got to be the funniest excuse for heart attacks ever made…I think we all know what caused those heart issues ….

 

[Ethel2]

You’re like the kid putting fingers in its ears and going “lalalalala” …childish in the extreme…for a so called medical professional it’s all very embarrassing …you should be interested in truth not the bandwagon you have jumped on.

Get this in your head…there is no difference in age adjusted all cause death rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed…that means you have been sold a pup…ie, not very good vaccines …I can see why you’re upset with yourself after jabbing loads of kids, I would be too…

You are wrong.
Period.
If you still think that vaccines don’t save lives please produce a link to a REPUTABLE SOURCE that supports your position.
Otherwise I will assume you have nothing and that your position has been successfully debunked.

 

[Ethel2]

Look at Fenton’s accumulated honours…call it a hunch but I think he knows how to interpret statistics lol…

• BBC Documentary "Climate Change by Numbers" (which Fenton co-presented, screened first 2 March 2015) won the following awards:
  • American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Science Journalism Gold Award for "best in-depth TV reporting" 2015. details here.
  • European Science TV and New Media Award for the best Science programme on an environmental issue, 2015.
• Faculty of Science and Engineering Research Award (Queen Mary University of London) 2015
• Lead Researcher in award of a Cambridge University Newton Institute Programme Semester (topic is Probability and Statistics in Forensic Science) to take place 18 July – 21 December 2016.
• Awarded European Research Council Advanced Fellowship Grant (value 1,572,562 euros for a 4-year programme) 1 April 2014.
• The Fenton and Neil paper "A critique of software defect prediction models" placed in top 1% most influential papers in its field based on number of citations (according to Essential Science Indicators).
• International Patent (Publication Number WO 03/090466) for Improved TV Programme Selection (based on Bayesian Networks, Fuzzy Logic and an original approach to TV programme classification).
• Named as one of the world's 15 top scholars (for the third time). Glass RL and Chen TY, "An assessment of Systems and Software Engineering scholars and institutions (1996–2000)", Journal of Systems and Software 59, 107–113, Oct 2001.
• Appointed Professor at City University at the age of 34.
• ATM Flett prize for MSc, 1979.
• Top First Class Degree, University of London, 1978.
• School Scholar at LSE 1976–78.
• Winner of LSE Undergraduate Prize 1976, 1977.
• Chartered Engineer, Member of the IET (since 1987).
• Chartered Mathematician, Fellow of the IMA (AFIMA 1988, FIMA 1998).
• Fellow of the BCS (British Computer Society) since 2005.

Irrelevant since he has clearly gone off the deep end.
More misinformation.
Still waiting for even one link to a reputable source that supports your implication that vaccines don’t save lives.

 

[Fledermaus]

Lol…that’s got to be the funniest excuse for heart attacks ever made…I think we all know what caused those heart issues ….

Wave your arms hard enough and you might just take off ....