Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[Ethel2]

Interesting…

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines

So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference

alexberenson.substack.com

More lies no doubt
No, I won’t waste my time reading your bunk

 

[Big Eye]

There is absolutely nothing about this disease that is political.
Only the response to it has become political.

If it came out of a lab then it’s obviously ****ing political ….

 

[Ethel2]

Well interacting with you has taught me a few things lol…

I doubt it. Your mind is already made up about the Big Conspiracy

 

[Big Eye]

More lies no doubt
No, I won’t waste my time reading your bunk

I don’t care …I think you’re gonna look like someone who was sold a pup by spring…

 

[Ethel2]

If it came out of a lab then it’s obviously ****ing political ….

Regardless of where it came from it’s still a disease.
Viruses don’t have a party affiliation.

 

[Big Eye]

I doubt it. Your mind is already made up about the Big Conspiracy

Not 100%…probably 95%…lol.

 

[Ethel2]

I don’t care …I think you’re gonna look like someone who was sold a pup by spring…

I don’t care what you think.
If you start writing rational posts maybe I would start caring.
Your posts reflect an alternate reality. As such there is no common ground on which to have a rational debate.

 

[Big Eye]

Regardless of where it came from it’s still a disease.
Viruses don’t have a party affiliation.

A deliberately released virus would have a political objective…obviously.

 

[Big Eye]

I don’t care what you think.
If you start writing rational posts maybe I would start caring.
Your posts reflect an alternate reality. As such there is no common ground on which to have a rational debate.

I agree, we have no common ground…but I do think you have bought into the whole narrative far too readily…this isn’t like an influenza outbreak, everything surrounding this from the emergence of a new virus to big pharma like Moderna just appearing on the scene at the right time, to globalists seeking control, to the way the pandemic segues beautifully with the green agenda fill me with doubt…as it should all reasonable people.

 

[Ethel2]

A deliberately released virus would have a political objective…obviously.

1. Viruses do not have a party affiliation. They are an infectious disease. How we respond to a virus can be political, and it is, unfortunately and

2. Please provide indisputable proof that the virus was released from a lab. BTW: I think that is most likely but in the absence of proof its just my opinion, as it is yours. Don't bother trying to pass off your opinion as fact. I will call you on it.

 

[Ethel2]

I agree, we have no common ground…but I do think you have bought into the whole narrative far too readily…this isn’t like an influenza outbreak, everything surrounding this from the emergence of a new virus to big pharma like Moderna just appearing on the scene at the right time, to globalists seeking control, to the way the pandemic segues beautifully with the green agenda fill me with doubt…as it should all reasonable people.

Reasonable people do not buy into unproven conspiracy BS.

 

[Kreton]

You make it sound as though medical professionals and scientists can’t make mistakes lol…

This disease is as political as it is medical, it almost certainly came out of a lab…manned by people that you’d absolutely , unquestionably trust lol.

Most people do. You can pretend you don't if you want. But I'd bet every dollar I have that if you suffer a heart attack, or a loved one does, you will rush to the nearest doctor to be treated by whatever science they suggest.

The difference between you and I is I don't take medical advice from politicians or tv/social media personalities for me or my family.

 

[joko104]

In other words all the medical boards in the country are part of a big conspiracy to make money through telling lies.
I feel sorry for you

And I feel sorry for you, not only willing to be nothing but a milk cow. You WANT to be a mindless milk cow and demand everyone else does too. Why? Because of it's easy to be a milk cow. No thinking involved. No effort involved. Just do what you are told to benefit others. If you don't, they shout and you and you comply. If that doesn't work, they kick you or hit you with a cattle prod. As a child, you were conditioned to be nothing but an irrelevant milk cow.

My childhood was horrific and not in your culture. TV propaganda didn't condition me, I had no TV. I learn by facts, mostly by my own experiences.

So you accept being lied to all the time, even when they admit they lied. You accept absurdities like "we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" and that you must crowd into WalMart because it too dangerous to shop in a store with no other customers in it. You never ponder why have no members of Congress - most very old - and not one of the power elites - also most old - died of covid-19. Don't even wonder why. I know why. Our company sold and even manufactured one of the reasons - but that couldn't be patented. When someone else went public with it, they were crushed by the FDA.

Phrases like "all medical boards" is just false. No, "all medical boards" do not take the license of doctors who dare believe in science. I know of NO top medical or biological researcher who gives a damn about the FDA or medical boards. Many countries medical experts see the USA on medical care as the same as medieval torture. The USA is not the peak of medical research whatsoever.

So you live like a milk cow and you will die like a milk cow. But that is what you want because it's easy to be nothing and nobody.

I have to be careful posting on topics like this. I don't like mass murder for profit. I don't like the richest and most powerful white racist men taking over both the government and economy. I don't like middle class merchants being erased from existence by totalitarian edicts for profit and power.

It is this simple. You might die of covid-19. Your family and friends might. You agreed to become a faceless reclusive person following all orders without question. You make up anything to be justify being a milk cow, like "all medical boards say" and other nonsense. So you can get sick, be put on a ventilator with an 87% kill rate for the profit of ventilator death bounties - and then you die one of the ways milk cows should die - milking every last dollar out of them doing so. That's your secular religion. It's not mine. You actually believe the medical science of the most deadly pandemic in the 1920s is modern medical science since that's declared modern medical science for covid-19 - other than they added crowding together in big stores and ordering covid-19 to your house by overnight delivery from Amazon with its admitted 20,000+ covid positive employees, asymptomatic employees. Fauci can say the exact opposite about everything - and you believe whatever he is saying today, even as he admits he lied to you yesterday.

Covid-19 has proven just how much an idiocry the USA is. It also explained a lot of why our lives have been so very successful. "You people" are so easily manipulated - and for our benefit and profit. Piece of cake. We are thinking independent individuals, not one of the nameless irrelevant herd.

 

[joko104]

Most people do. You can pretend you don't if you want. But I'd bet every dollar I have that if you suffer a heart attack, or a loved one does, you will rush to the nearest doctor to be treated by whatever science they suggest.

The difference between you and I is I don't take medical advice from politicians or tv/social media personalities for me or my family.

Another ignorant post. I had open heart surgery and more than once. I take 4 prescriptions out of 5 written. But, unlike you who would take all 5, I read the tiny print warning and went online to research all 5, something you'd never do. Your doctor spends 7 minutes with you and writes out prescriptions. You take them, no questions asked. No independent thought even possible because you furiously refuse to think for yourself. So much damn work to think!

Unlike you, I/we also follow other medical practices, such as a good diet and simple things like vitamins, trace minerals and other supplements. And we employ state-of-the-art cutting edge modern real medical research that is not limited to searching for ways to only make drugs that can be patented - even how they will artificially alter natural substances to less effectiveness - because if they have the patent they can charge anything they want. Why would any drug company spend millions on a FDA study if then anyone can sell it for a nickel each? If they can do their study on an artificial form of it they can charge $100 each, even if it is less effect and with horrific potential side effects.

We also know we can't take our money with us when we die, so have some of the most extremely expensive cutting edge "substances" in the world. One is $750 per 25 milligrams (25/1000th of a gram). Derived only from human placenta. We have e kilograms of a substance so used by doctors in Japan and so limited in production ability it is illegal to export it from Japan. But not illegal to have in the USA. We got it thru Taiwan, labeled white printing powder ink in Chinese. Bulk price of $4500 per kilogram. What is sold as it in the USA is all fake Chinese crap. We worked with a group that did a study on 3000 covid-19 positive people - a non-FDA study like the majority of medical studies are (though you certain there is the FDA and nothing else). Not one died. What they used is legal. You could buy it. But you can't be told about it.

The difference between you and I is that you don't think, you just obey no different that a milk cow. You obey whoever the elites tell you to obey from those few they allow on TV, the media and the Internet.

If you get sick from covid 19 you will rush to the hospital, be put on a ventilator and die on that ventilator. None of us will die of covid-19. Just like none of the elites do. They aren't like you either. When it comes to medical care, they're like me. In fact, they did business with us for covid-19 buying what you aren't even allowed to hear about and if any doctor spoke of it the FDA would be all over that doctor. If I post of it? Here comes the FDA to protect the money-machine monopoly. We had many interactions with the FDA, but because we never promised anything there was nothing they could do. You can have treatment that works for covid 19. You just dare not talk about it.

What is your theory of why no member of Congress - most really old and around lots of people - and many infected too - have not died of covid-19? No, stop. You must NOT think about that. You must not think about anything at all. Just comply, submit, obey. That's easy for you. Just keep chanting "we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" like a kindergarten student so proud that he can repeat the teacher. I know why they don't die. They're not like you. They're like me when it comes to their own medical care. You? Ventilators are for you. mRNA therapy is for you. Masks are for you. Not us. Not them.

 

[joko104]

You really have no idea how the medical profession works at all. But I do. I work in it. We rely on objective data to make decisions. When the objective data overwhelmingly points to a conclusion-such as ivermectin being useless to combat Covid or that the mRNA vaccines are extremely effective at keeping people out of the hospital-we communicate that to our patients and it’s adopted as “best practice”.
As in any profession there are a few rotten eggs. And they are now being punished, fortunately.

There is a drug company testing an artificial form of ivermectin to product a form that can be patented, since the patent on ivermectin has expired. No drug company would spend the millions upon millions to gain approval of a non-patentable drug. If the artificial form is FDA approved? They could charge $500 a capsule with a total monopoly over it - for a drug otherwise that would cost a quarter. That's how FDA and AMA drugs are developed and approved in the USA.

 

[Fledermaus]

Interesting…

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines

So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference

alexberenson.substack.com

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man
In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

Redirect Notice

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[Fledermaus]

There is a drug company testing an artificial form of ivermectin to product a form that can be patented, since the patent on ivermectin has expired. No drug company would spend the millions upon millions to gain approval of a non-patentable drug. If the artificial form is FDA approved? They could charge $500 a capsule with a total monopoly over it - for a drug otherwise that would cost a quarter. That's how FDA and AMA drugs are developed and approved in the USA.

Ivermectin is proven not to work.

Please fail again.

 

[Fledermaus]

Another ignorant post. I had open heart surgery and more than once. I take 4 prescriptions out of 5 written. But, unlike you who would take all 5, I read the tiny print warning and went online to research all 5, something you'd never do. Your doctor spends 7 minutes with you and writes out prescriptions. You take them, no questions asked. No independent thought even possible because you furiously refuse to think for yourself. So much damn work to think!

Unlike you, I/we also follow other medical practices, such as a good diet and simple things like vitamins, trace minerals and other supplements. And we employ state-of-the-art cutting edge modern real medical research that is not limited to searching for ways to only make drugs that can be patented - even how they will artificially alter natural substances to less effectiveness - because if they have the patent they can charge anything they want. Why would any drug company spend millions on a FDA study if then anyone can sell it for a nickel each? If they can do their study on an artificial form of it they can charge $100 each, even if it is less effect and with horrific potential side effects.

We also know we can't take our money with us when we die, so have some of the most extremely expensive cutting edge "substances" in the world. One is $750 per 25 milligrams (25/1000th of a gram). Derived only from human placenta. We have e kilograms of a substance so used by doctors in Japan and so limited in production ability it is illegal to export it from Japan. But not illegal to have in the USA. We got it thru Taiwan, labeled white printing powder ink in Chinese. Bulk price of $4500 per kilogram. What is sold as it in the USA is all fake Chinese crap. We worked with a group that did a study on 3000 covid-19 positive people - a non-FDA study like the majority of medical studies are (though you certain there is the FDA and nothing else). Not one died. What they used is legal. You could buy it. But you can't be told about it.

The difference between you and I is that you don't think, you just obey no different that a milk cow. You obey whoever the elites tell you to obey from those few they allow on TV, the media and the Internet.

If you get sick from covid 19 you will rush to the hospital, be put on a ventilator and die on that ventilator. None of us will die of covid-19. Just like none of the elites do. They aren't like you either. When it comes to medical care, they're like me. In fact, they did business with us for covid-19 buying what you aren't even allowed to hear about and if any doctor spoke of it the FDA would be all over that doctor. If I post of it? Here comes the FDA to protect the money-machine monopoly. We had many interactions with the FDA, but because we never promised anything there was nothing they could do. You can have treatment that works for covid 19. You just dare not talk about it.

What is your theory of why no member of Congress - most really old and around lots of people - and many infected too - have not died of covid-19? No, stop. You must NOT think about that. You must not think about anything at all. Just comply, submit, obey. That's easy for you. Just keep chanting "we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" like a kindergarten student so proud that he can repeat the teacher. I know why they don't die. They're not like you. They're like me when it comes to their own medical care. You? Ventilators are for you. mRNA therapy is for you. Masks are for you. Not us. Not them.

Rant, rant rant rant rantity rant....

 

[mrdeltoid]

Or look at it this way:

*number of deaths attributed to the mRNA vaccines: one (maybe)
*number of serious side effects due to the mRNA vaccines: zero aside from above
*number of deaths due to Covid in the US: well over 700,000 with millions suffering long term complications and financial distress as a result of getting infected

There’s really no rational choice to be made. You did your part. Time for others to do theirs. NO ONE is going to be forced to get vaccinated-just strongly encouraged.

*number of severe disability or deaths long term: ?
Food for thought:
"We’re now seeing reports of herpes and shingles infection following COVID-19 injection, and this is precisely what you can expect if your Type I interferon pathway is disabled. That’s not the end of your potential troubles, however, as these coinfections could accelerate other diseases as well.

For example, herpes viruses have been implicated as a trigger of both AIDS6 and myalgic encephalomyelitis7 (chronic fatigue syndrome or ME-CFS). According to Mikovits, these diseases don’t appear until viruses from different families partner up and retroviruses take out the Type 1 interferon pathway. Long term, the COVID mass injection campaign may be laying the foundation for a rapidly approaching avalanche of a wide range of debilitating chronic illnesses.
https://www.citizensjournal.us/long-term-dangers-of-experimental-mrna-shots/

 

[Fledermaus]

*number of severe disability or deaths long term: ?
Food for thought:
"We’re now seeing reports of herpes and shingles infection following COVID-19 injection, and this is precisely what you can expect if your Type I interferon pathway is disabled. That’s not the end of your potential troubles, however, as these coinfections could accelerate other diseases as well.

For example, herpes viruses have been implicated as a trigger of both AIDS6 and myalgic encephalomyelitis7 (chronic fatigue syndrome or ME-CFS). According to Mikovits, these diseases don’t appear until viruses from different families partner up and retroviruses take out the Type 1 interferon pathway. Long term, the COVID mass injection campaign may be laying the foundation for a rapidly approaching avalanche of a wide range of debilitating chronic illnesses.
https://www.citizensjournal.us/long-term-dangers-of-experimental-mrna-shots/

Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola

A known liar, antivaxxer and alternative medicine hawker.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola

A known liar, antivaxxer and alternative medicine hawker.

Can you dispute his data. or just attack him personally? If you can counter his data, please include a link.

 

[Fledermaus]

Can you dispute his data. or just attack him personally? If you can counter his data, please include a link.

He is a liar.

He makes money lying about COVID and others diseases.

That is his thing.

It is what he does.

He has lied from day one about COVID.

 

[Visbek]

Vaccines work rather well to prevent serious illness... etc

Yet another sign that you don't understand viruses or vaccines.

Millions can't get vaccinated in the first place. Not everyone gets the exact same benefit from a vaccination -- as with natural immunity, there's some variability to it. Thus, someone who is fully vaccinated may still be vulnerable. The more sick people they come across on a daily basis, the more exposure they get, the higher the chance of a breakthrough.

Not in Florida. COVID is not analogous to age limits on those vices.

lol... Yes, dude, the imposition is the same everywhere. "Show me your vaccine card" is no different than "show me your ID."

Well healthcare environments are different...

And yet they are the same, when it comes to governments legally mandating vaccines. And aren't you arguing against health care mandates?

COVID was far deadly when there were no vaccines to protect older people and others at high risk and MDs had little understanding of the pathophysiology and how COVID was killing patients early on.

Oh, really? Then why has the case fatality rate in the US stayed the same since January, and hasn't fallen at all during 2020?

it would make more sense to mandate flu shots every year for kids and teachers than COVID shots, except for older and sicker teachers.

Good news! This is not a zero-sum game. There's no reason why we cannot require both. In fact, I'm saying we should require both.

Those studies looked at antibody levels but predicting naturally acquired immunity based on those biomarkers is far from proof of anything.

Oh... So wait... Are you saying that antibody tests can't prove that people with natural immunity are immune from the virus?

Aren't those the same kinds of tests that you want us to use, rather than vaccinate people?

Oh, and it hasn't escaped my attention that you haven't provided a single stitch of data to back up your claims.

Clearly naturally acquired immunity is more wholistic than mRNA induced immunity. Look at the Israeli study data.

lol

"Wholistic" -- don't you mean "holistic?" Who is measuring that? How are they measuring it?

Are you referring to the study published in August, which was an observational study? Haven't you repeatedly taken a shit on observational studies, proclaiming that RCTs are basically the only "real" option? Or perhaps you're referring to some other study which, oh, I dunno... uses the same kind of antibody tests you dumped on a few paragraphs ago? Shouldn't someone whose job is to evaluate studies avoid such rank hypocrisy in evaluating studies?

Oh, and as a reminder: It's better to get vaccinated than infected; and better to get a booster than to get reinfected. Plenty of studies make that clear.

You are misinterpreting my point. Red herring and straw dogs are what debate loser do.

Lol... No, it isn't. You are, after all, saying that people who can prove they recovered from COVID should be exempt from vaccination. That means a lot of people giving blood tests.

Nor did this come out of the blue -- you've responded to comments about a comparison between vaccination and a blood test.

Apparently all those government mandates are not working so well in Europe either. What does that tell you?

lol

What mandates? Almost all mandates in Europe are only for health care workers. Most of those nations are 75% - 80% vaccinated, which isn't enough to reach herd immunity.

Austria imposed Europe's first nationwide vaccine mandate only a few weeks ago. This was in part because the virus was running rampant, vaccination rates declined precipitously after the summer, and vaccination rates were stuck around 66% for months. After the mandate was imposed, the rate of vaccination increased five-fold.

So yeah, the example of Austria makes it clear that a) people aren't getting vaccinated enough without mandates, and b) vaccine mandates work. Thanks for bringing it up!

 

[Ethel2]

And I feel sorry for you, not only willing to be nothing but a milk cow. You WANT to be a mindless milk cow and demand everyone else does too. Why? Because of it's easy to be a milk cow. No thinking involved. No effort involved. Just do what you are told to benefit others. If you don't, they shout and you and you comply. If that doesn't work, they kick you or hit you with a cattle prod. As a child, you were conditioned to be nothing but an irrelevant milk cow.

My childhood was horrific and not in your culture. TV propaganda didn't condition me, I had no TV. I learn by facts, mostly by my own experiences.

So you accept being lied to all the time, even when they admit they lied. You accept absurdities like "we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" and that you must crowd into WalMart because it too dangerous to shop in a store with no other customers in it. You never ponder why have no members of Congress - most very old - and not one of the power elites - also most old - died of covid-19. Don't even wonder why. I know why. Our company sold and even manufactured one of the reasons - but that couldn't be patented. When someone else went public with it, they were crushed by the FDA.

Phrases like "all medical boards" is just false. No, "all medical boards" do not take the license of doctors who dare believe in science. I know of NO top medical or biological researcher who gives a damn about the FDA or medical boards. Many countries medical experts see the USA on medical care as the same as medieval torture. The USA is not the peak of medical research whatsoever.

So you live like a milk cow and you will die like a milk cow. But that is what you want because it's easy to be nothing and nobody.

I have to be careful posting on topics like this. I don't like mass murder for profit. I don't like the richest and most powerful white racist men taking over both the government and economy. I don't like middle class merchants being erased from existence by totalitarian edicts for profit and power.

It is this simple. You might die of covid-19. Your family and friends might. You agreed to become a faceless reclusive person following all orders without question. You make up anything to be justify being a milk cow, like "all medical boards say" and other nonsense. So you can get sick, be put on a ventilator with an 87% kill rate for the profit of ventilator death bounties - and then you die one of the ways milk cows should die - milking every last dollar out of them doing so. That's your secular religion. It's not mine. You actually believe the medical science of the most deadly pandemic in the 1920s is modern medical science since that's declared modern medical science for covid-19 - other than they added crowding together in big stores and ordering covid-19 to your house by overnight delivery from Amazon with its admitted 20,000+ covid positive employees, asymptomatic employees. Fauci can say the exact opposite about everything - and you believe whatever he is saying today, even as he admits he lied to you yesterday.

Covid-19 has proven just how much an idiocry the USA is. It also explained a lot of why our lives have been so very successful. "You people" are so easily manipulated - and for our benefit and profit. Piece of cake. We are thinking independent individuals, not one of the nameless irrelevant herd.

You’ll forgive me if I only read a couple of paragraphs of your mindless rant. After you labeled me as a “milk cow” you list the debate, not that there really was much of a debate. I presented facts based in reality; you presented lies based in fantasy.
Perhaps the “horrific childhood” you admit to explains your preference for fantasy.
So yes, I feel sorry for you. Maybe one day you will lose the anger reflected in your posts here, allow reality to enter your life, and are able to enjoy life again.
I think we are done here.

 

[Ethel2]

*number of severe disability or deaths long term: ?
Food for thought:
"We’re now seeing reports of herpes and shingles infection following COVID-19 injection, and this is precisely what you can expect if your Type I interferon pathway is disabled. That’s not the end of your potential troubles, however, as these coinfections could accelerate other diseases as well.

For example, herpes viruses have been implicated as a trigger of both AIDS6 and myalgic encephalomyelitis7 (chronic fatigue syndrome or ME-CFS). According to Mikovits, these diseases don’t appear until viruses from different families partner up and retroviruses take out the Type 1 interferon pathway. Long term, the COVID mass injection campaign may be laying the foundation for a rapidly approaching avalanche of a wide range of debilitating chronic illnesses.
https://www.citizensjournal.us/long-term-dangers-of-experimental-mrna-shots/

Sorry
Not reading anything by citizensjournal or the quack Mercola.
Anything else to say here?