Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[Big Eye]

Do they or do they not act as vaccines do in the human body?

Do your own research…these do not stop you getting the virus, they simply act as treatments.

 

[Big Eye]

Conspiracy Theory forum ------------------------------>

I’d say it’s a conspiracy to believe there is not something weird going on…you’d have to be thick as a brick to invest total trust in the establishment/media/pharma narrative.

 

[Big Eye]

Pain killers =/= Vaccines

Please fail again.

**** me…you are hard work…the point is why would you trust those that created the pain killer addiction catastrophe…big pharma and the medics( pushers).

 

[Fledermaus]

Do your own research…

On Twitter or some antivaxx site?

these do not stop you getting the virus, they simply act as treatments.

They actually do stop all but a fraction......

 

[Fledermaus]

**** me…you are hard work…the point is why would you trust those that created the pain killer addiction catastrophe…big pharma and the medics( pushers).

You do know the difference between pain killers and vaccines.... Right?

 

[Paradoxical]

Okay..lets say you are right. How did that kill millions?
They never said " when you are sick with covid go out in public and wear this mask"
So if we assume you are right..how did it kill millions.. please explain.

Because people believed the junk science on the side of the mask freakos.

 

[jaeger19]

The medical community could have quite easily told the population to take vitamin D…it’s cheap and seems to have great effect in reducing sickness with Covid…not a ****ing peep. The medical community could have impressed the population to the fact that obesity is guaranteed to increase your chances of death from Covid …but most of all the medical community could have explained to the public that Covid is low risk for most people…instead they have gone along with the scare tactics.

The medical community has simply become drug pushers….I don’t trust drug dealers.

And the medical community does. But trying get your patient to lose 50 pounds in the midst of a pandemic when you have been trying to get them to lose weight for years to stave off diabetes and heart problems seems a little silly now doesn't it.
When a guy comes into the er with chest pains and n v tach..do you really think it's the time to lecture them on diet and exercise?
Come now.
Think how many years we have been counciling people on not smoking or vaping..
I suppose you are going to blame us for treating lung cancer with surgery..chemo and radiation..rather than lecturing cancer patients on smoking cessation.

 

[jaeger19]

The last person I would ever take advice from is a RINO.

And that illustrates your weakness and why you are so easily controlled by your masters.
You are incapable of evaluating information on your own..and thus rely on your masters telling you who to listen to..who to believe etc.
" don't listen to that..he's the enemy"

 

[jaeger19]

Because people believed the junk science on the side of the mask freakos.

Again..how does that kill millions. So you wear a mask that doesn't work for source control.
How does that kill millions? You are still being told to stay at home if you have covid.
You have not explained how..if you were right..it would lead to millions dead.

Now out of curiosity..if you think that telling people to wear masks kills people..
What would telling people not to worry covid is a hoax and or is not dangerous and is just like tge flu..
If telling people to wear a mask when they go out discourages them to not self isolate..
What do you think telling them covid is a hoax and or is not dangerous does to their willingness to isolate?

See why your arguments demonstrate intellectual disconnect.?

 

[Paradoxical]

And that illustrates your weakness and why you are so easily controlled by your masters.
You are incapable of evaluating information on your own..and thus rely on your masters telling you who to listen to..who to believe etc.
" don't listen to that..he's the enemy"

I have no master but myself.

 

[Paradoxical]

Again..how does that kill millions. So you wear a mask that doesn't work for source control.
How does that kill millions? You are still being told to stay at home if you have covid.
You have not explained how..if you were right..it would lead to millions dead.

Now out of curiosity..if you think that telling people to wear masks kills people..
What would telling people not to worry covid is a hoax and or is not dangerous and is just like tge flu..
If telling people to wear a mask when they go out discourages them to not self isolate..
What do you think telling them covid is a hoax and or is not dangerous does to their willingness to isolate?

See why your arguments demonstrate intellectual disconnect.?

Because the idiot leftists thought masks protected them and they did not. That led them to a false sense of security because they thought they were protected with masks and they were not.

 

[jaeger19]

Because the idiot leftists thought masks protected them and they did not. That led them to a false sense of security because they thought they were protected with masks and they were not.

Um no..no one was told that masks protected the wearer substantially enough to ho out when sick.

In fact fauci made a point of telling people that masks did not protect the wearer.
And dudes like you flipped out on him for telling the truth.

Now compare that to you telling people that covid wasn't dangerous..it was a hoax..it was like the flu..

Which one is more like to result

in risky behavior?

 

[jaeger19]

I have no master but myself.

No..you are controlled by those that instill fear in you.

 

[RealityChecker]

And the medical community does. But trying get your patient to lose 50 pounds in the midst of a pandemic when you have been trying to get them to lose weight for years to stave off diabetes and heart problems seems a little silly now doesn't it.

The medical community's failure is due to the fact that MDs are largely clueless about nutrition. The reality is that what people eat in the US and other modern countries is what promotes excessive energy intake that leads to obesity and/or type 2 DM, hypertension, and elevated serum cholesterol (& apoB levels). You supported Obamacare that was supposed to cut medical care costs and increase health and longevity. Instead medical cost rose and life expectancy fell for 3 straight years after Obamacare kicked in. Good for MDs, big pharma, hospitals, and health insurers but little or no money for people who were willing and able to learn from nutrition experts who understand how diet promotes disease and how to eat to lose weight, lower atherogenic lipoproteins, and BP with far less need for the corrupt and self-serving medical care.

When a guy comes into the er with chest pains and n v tach..do you really think it's the time to lecture them on diet and exercise?

Obviously not. So what if that guy (or gal) with the MI in the ER had been educated about how diet and lifestyle choice were promoting dyslipidemia, HTN, insulin resistance and obesity instead of typical medical care? What if they lost the weight, reversed their insulin resistance, got rid of their BP-meds and controlled their BP on a healthier diet and lifestyle? This would help people live longer and healthier lives and save tens of billions in medical treatments that treat the results of poor diet and lifestyle choices instead of dealing with the cause? Instead of all those billions going to the medical establishment perhaps it would make more sense for the government to create incentives for people to become more responsible for their own health by paying for diet and health education instead?

Come now.
Think how many years we have been counciling people on not smoking or vaping..
I suppose you are going to blame us for treating lung cancer with surgery..chemo and radiation..rather than lecturing cancer patients on smoking cessation.

Again, the time to deal with risky lifestyle choices like smoking is long before they end up with lung CA and/or COPD.

 

[RealityChecker]

Um no..no one was told that masks protected the wearer substantially enough to ho out when sick.

In fact fauci made a point of telling people that masks did not protect the wearer.
And dudes like you flipped out on him for telling the truth.

Now compare that to you telling people that covid wasn't dangerous..it was a hoax..it was like the flu..

Which one is more like to result

in risky behavior?

I find it ironic you want to force people to wear masks that you admit do little or nothing to protect them from catching COVID to protect others but cannot get people to quit smoking and eating a crappy diet or exercising to protect themselves from disease. And yet we have far more people dying each year from smoking, poor diets, abusing drugs, and other risky behaviors than have ever died with COVID. COVID is likely going to be far less of a problem in the years ahead but we have more obese people (many with T2DM), people with elevated BP, people with dyslipidemia, and cancers caused by risky lifestyle choices. The result is more money for the medical establishment and a declining life expectancy after Obamacare kicked for three straight years before COVID just made a bad situation even worse. Looks to me that those rigging our so-called healthcare system in the words of Ricky Ricardo to his wife Lucy, the medical bureaucrats and the medical establishment they cater to "have some splaining to do".

 

[RealityChecker]

No..you are controlled by those that instill fear in you.

Actually here an MD and medical ethicists who pretty much expose most of your dubious and twisted logic claims about COVID vaccines:

PART 1: Suspended Medical Ethics Professor Aaron Kheriaty on Vaccine Coercion, Risks, and Natural Immunity

<span style="font-weight: 400;">“I knew that I would wake up in the morning and not have a clear conscience.” </span> Medical ethics professor Aaron...

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[jaeger19]

Actually here an MD and medical ethicists who pretty much expose most of your dubious and twisted logic claims about COVID vaccines:

PART 1: Suspended Medical Ethics Professor Aaron Kheriaty on Vaccine Coercion, Risks, and Natural Immunity

<span style="font-weight: 400;">“I knew that I would wake up in the morning and not have a clear conscience.” </span> Medical ethics professor Aaron...

www.theepochtimes.com

Umm no it doesn't.
Again conspiracy forum

 

[Ethel2]

Actually here an MD and medical ethicists who pretty much expose most of your dubious and twisted logic claims about COVID vaccines:

PART 1: Suspended Medical Ethics Professor Aaron Kheriaty on Vaccine Coercion, Risks, and Natural Immunity

<span style="font-weight: 400;">“I knew that I would wake up in the morning and not have a clear conscience.” </span> Medical ethics professor Aaron...

www.theepochtimes.com

Gosh
I wonder why this charlatan is suspended-instead of having his license terminated.
More crap from conspiracy theorists.

 

[jaeger19]

I find it ironic you want to force people to wear masks that you admit do little or nothing to protect them from catching COVID to protect others but cannot get people to quit smoking and eating a crappy diet or exercising to protect themselves from disease. And yet we have far more people dying each year from smoking, poor diets, abusing drugs, and other risky behaviors than have ever died with COVID. COVID is likely going to be far less of a problem in the years ahead but we have more obese people (many with T2DM), people with elevated BP, people with dyslipidemia, and cancers caused by risky lifestyle choices. The result is more money for the medical establishment and a declining life expectancy after Obamacare kicked for three straight years before COVID just made a bad situation even worse. Looks to me that those rigging our so-called healthcare system in the words of Ricky Ricardo to his wife Lucy, the medical bureaucrats and the medical establishment they cater to "have some splaining to do".

Why do you find it ironic
Most people are smart enough to not smoke or vape. The rest we mandate areas where they cannot smoke or vape in public spaces like within 10 feet of a door..
Inside establishments unless designated for smoking vaping etc. So mandates mitigate second hand smoke
Just like mandates for mask wearing in public mitigate the effect an infected person on the public.
Pretty logical dude.
Now..if vapers and smokers were clogging up the hospital system and causing the hospital to be overwhelmed? Well them more might be in order.
But frankly on most issues I tend to be more libertarian.
You want to do risky behavior that only endangers yourself? Have at it as long as you have adequate insurance to pay for the consequences.
Yep. We have more people dying of those risky behaviors.
But your freedom ends when your choices impact me.
So you running around without wearing a mask and infecting my mother who dies from the infection you gave her?
Or there are so many a many uncacvibated covid patients that tge hospital cannot do my patients heart surgery or back surgery?
Different story.
Now my buddy had a good idea. Every non vaxxer signs an affidavit that they are foregoing any medical treatment for covid that entails a hospital stay. And so they agree to stick if out and die at home if it comes to that...I could probably live with that.
But that's not what they do. Invaccinated run around my town making all sorts of claims about how they had it already..can't get it again..they kicked its but the first time..Yada yada..
Then they get covid again..end up in the hospital begging for everything and anything to help them.
Then suddenly the science and providers they disparaged are expected to save them.

 

[Ethel2]

Why do you find it ironic
Most people are smart enough to not smoke or vape. The rest we mandate areas where they cannot smoke or vape in public spaces like within 10 feet of a door..
Inside establishments unless designated for smoking vaping etc. So mandates mitigate second hand smoke
Just like mandates for mask wearing in public mitigate the effect an infected person on the public.
Pretty logical dude.
Now..if vapers and smokers were clogging up the hospital system and causing the hospital to be overwhelmed? Well them more might be in order.
But frankly on most issues I tend to be more libertarian.
You want to do risky behavior that only endangers yourself? Have at it as long as you have adequate insurance to pay for the consequences.
Yep. We have more people dying of those risky behaviors.
But your freedom ends when your choices impact me.
So you running around without wearing a mask and infecting my mother who dies from the infection you gave her?
Or there are so many a many uncacvibated covid patients that tge hospital cannot do my patients heart surgery or back surgery?
Different story.
Now my buddy had a good idea. Every non vaxxer signs an affidavit that they are foregoing any medical treatment for covid that entails a hospital stay. And so they agree to stick if out and die at home if it comes to that...I could probably live with that.
But that's not what they do. Invaccinated run around my town making all sorts of claims about how they had it already..can't get it again..they kicked its but the first time..Yada yada..
Then they get covid again..end up in the hospital begging for everything and anything to help them.
Then suddenly the science and providers they disparaged are expected to save them.

The answer is tacking on exclusions and jacking up premiums for covidiots. A lot. It’s called “taking responsibility for your choices”.

 

[RealityChecker]

The answer is tacking on exclusions and jacking up premiums for covidiots. A lot. It’s called “taking responsibility for your choices”.

So are you going to jack up premiums on people who smoke? Who eat an unhealthy diet and end up overweight or obese and with diabetes? Or who have HTN, dyslipidemia, gout, fatty livers, and all the other health problems develop in large part due to the choices they make too? How about higher premiums for refuse to get a flu shot? Or is it just people who refuse to get the COVID shots that you think ought to pay more due to their irresponsible choices? Sounds a tad hypocritical to me.

 

[RealityChecker]

Why do you find it ironic
Most people are smart enough to not smoke or vape. The rest we mandate areas where they cannot smoke or vape in public spaces like within 10 feet of a door..

Why not deny those smokers treatment for COPD or lung CA then? Your zeal for punishing people who chose not to get vaccinated is hypocritical at best and makes a mockery of you claiming you are for personal responsibility.

Inside establishments unless designated for smoking vaping etc. So mandates mitigate second hand smoke
Just like mandates for mask wearing in public mitigate the effect an infected person on the public.
Pretty logical dude.

People have a right to breath clean air and drink clean water but they do not have the right to force everyone to wear a masks or get vaccinated to reduce the spread of the flu, colds, or COVID. Hypocrisy is illogical and/or unethical.

Now..if vapers and smokers were clogging up the hospital system and causing the hospital to be overwhelmed? Well them more might be in order.

Hospitals are clogged with people with the flu and even more clogged with people who eat crappy diets, smoke, consume opioids (many prescribed by MDs) and OD, drive impaired or recklessly, so is holding them responsible for their choices that can clog up hospitals okay?

But frankly on most issues I tend to be more libertarian.
You want to do risky behavior that only endangers yourself? Have at it as long as you have adequate insurance to pay for the consequences.

Hum? So should people who give themselves diseases be paying more for health insurance? You supported Obamacare that forces the people who make healthier choices to pay for the medical care of those that take more risks with their health. Not much of libertarian IMO.

Yep. We have more people dying of those risky behaviors.
But your freedom ends when your choices impact me.

So does forcing people who take fewer risks with their health to pay far more for healthcare because of the bad individual choices of others not adversely impact their lives? Your arguments here are so illogical and hypocritical I am surprised you cannot see the obvious. I suspect you find my posts particularly annoying because I keep exposing how illogical your claims here are.

So you running around without wearing a mask and infecting my mother who dies from the infection you gave her?
Or there are so many a many uncacvibated covid patients that tge hospital cannot do my patients heart surgery or back surgery?

Obviously it is far more likely your mother dies in a fire or gets hit by lightening than I will cause her death. But know I know why you are concerned about all those profitable heart and orthopedic surgeries for your hospitals. They are far more profitable to your hospitals than those COVID patients and so it is pure greed that would appear to explain your desire to force other people to wear masks and get vaccinated. Authoritarians are always more motivated by greed than individual liberty. And you think you are a libertarian and for individual responsibility?

Different story.
Now my buddy had a good idea. Every non vaxxer signs an affidavit that they are foregoing any medical treatment for covid that entails a hospital stay. And so they agree to stick if out and die at home if it comes to that...I could probably live with that.

Same for those who do not get flu vaccines or are you a hypocrite because COVID spreads faster and sickens more people quickly and that is hurting the bottom line of your hospitals. Seems more like greed than compassion driving your zeal to punish thoe who do not help you make more money.

But that's not what they do. Invaccinated run around my town making all sorts of claims about how they had it already..can't get it again..they kicked its but the first time..Yada yada..
Then they get covid again..end up in the hospital begging for everything and anything to help them.
Then suddenly the science and providers they disparaged are expected to save them.

If I got a dollar for every lame claim I have heard about diet and disease from people conned by quacks and delusional zealots I'd have more money now than you. I prefer education to indoctrination and authoritarian government mandates. Perhaps I am a tad more libertarian than you are?

 

[snakestretcher]

I don’t trust any large organisations/corporations . You completely trust big pharma….probably the leat trustworthy of a very untrustworthy bunch. People like you are handing big pharma ownership of our lives…soon you won’t be able to do **** all without using their products first.

What a sad way to lead your life. Best never go to your doctor ever again; who knows what horrors he might be prescribing you from Big Pharma...

 

[Big Eye]

What a sad way to lead your life. Best never go to your doctor ever again; who knows what horrors he might be prescribing you from Big Pharma...

I very rarely go to the doctors…maybe 3 or 4 times over the last 20 years or so…been to A and E a couple of times for injuries and that’s it. The medical profession has simply morphed into a drug dispensary…very rare that people get to see the same doc and form a relationship …those days are gone.

I think as a general rule of thumb that it’s best to limit drugs to the minimum….I take lansoprazole a few days a week and ibuprofen when required , that’s it….oh and sometimes a Tramodol to cheer me up lol…

I do not trust these Covid “vaccines” and regret having two shots of the Pfizer jab…but at the time we were lied to and told they radically reduced infections.

 

[Big Eye]

So are you going to jack up premiums on people who smoke? Who eat an unhealthy diet and end up overweight or obese and with diabetes? Or who have HTN, dyslipidemia, gout, fatty livers, and all the other health problems develop in large part due to the choices they make too? How about higher premiums for refuse to get a flu shot? Or is it just people who refuse to get the COVID shots that you think ought to pay more due to their irresponsible choices? Sounds a tad hypocritical to me.

I can imagine a time coming when we will have to show our mental health passes in case we are a threat to others…we’ll have to prove that we have taken our calming pills lol. These covid vaccine zealots have no idea of the can of worms they are opening.