Why I am non-religious

[Quag]

Jesus died around 30. So say it was written in 90, and John was 18 at the time. He would have been 78 when written. Yes, it's old for the time, but it's not impossible, and you certainly can't say with any confidence that he did not write it. And since his was the latest, it means the other apostles were even younger when they wrote theirs.

Your absolute youngest puts a guy at a VERY old age for the time for the wealthy (which he wasn't) and basically an impossible age for the higher end estimate.
So yeah some poor guy writing past any hope of life expectancy is not realistic in any way shape or form.
Not that it matters because even if he did write it (which he clearly didn't) it is merely a claim not EVIDENCE!!!!!

There is 0 evidence of the resurrection, merely claims that are far more readily explainable by non supernatural than by supernatural ones.

How is it patently false? If, under penalty of death, they tell me that there's a dragon in there, I'm at least going to be sympathetic. I have no way to dismiss the claim.

So 11 someone tell you they have Zeus in their garage and are willing to die for those claims you would give it consideration, even though it goes against your Christian beliefs?
I guess some people are just far more willing to believe in the supernatural without any evidence whatsoever.

 

[Cephus]

Buried. Cremated. Eaten in a cannibal feast. Who knows?

Of course, that assumes that there was a body to begin with, but that's something he isn't willing to even consider. But even if we assume Jesus was real, he was yet another unimportant person in history. We don't have the bodies of the vast majority of people who ever lived. Why is this a surprise?

 

[Cephus]

How would the corpse have even gone missing? The tomb was guarded. Do you know what the penalty is for Roman guards who fail in one of their duties?

Why do you keep blindly assuming that the story in the Bible is factually correct? That's all you have to go by, your blind faith.

 

[devildavid]

How would the corpse have even gone missing? The tomb was guarded. Do you know what the penalty is for Roman guards who fail in one of their duties?

Here is an example of a failed argument. You assume it was impossible that Roman guards couldn't possibly have shirked their duty not because there is evidence they did not, but because the fear of punishment makes it impossible. Maybe they fell asleep or maybe they took a break but no one found out they did.

 

[phattonez]

Here is an example of a failed argument. You assume it was impossible that Roman guards couldn't possibly have shirked their duty not because there is evidence they did not, but because the fear of punishment makes it impossible. Maybe they fell asleep or maybe they took a break but no one found out they did.

I'll ask again: do you know what the penalty is for Roman guards who fail in one of their duties?

 

[phattonez]

Why do you keep blindly assuming that the story in the Bible is factually correct? That's all you have to go by, your blind faith.

What reason do you have to disregard it?

 

[RAMOSS]

Your claims are not credible. It's just your usual knee-jerk denials one after another.

You miss the point. It isn't my claims that matter, it is your inability to back your claims up, and indeed, keep on making claims that have been quite forcefully falsified.

 

[phattonez]

So 11 someone tell you they have Zeus in their garage and are willing to die for those claims you would give it consideration, even though it goes against your Christian beliefs?
I guess some people are just far more willing to believe in the supernatural without any evidence whatsoever.

If they were willing to die for it, I'd at least check it out.

 

[phattonez]

Well, the book pointed to refers to the original work. You didn't bother to read that, now did you. The one thing about the Kearse essay, it is not doing any original work, it is referring to the exact work that was pointed out was using non standard techniques to detect blood that are invalid. It was a self published essay on a 'the shroud is real' web site. It talks about Heller using 'experimental techniques', but skips over the fact that technique doesn't work for detecting blood.

Frankly, you might as well be denying the moon landing , or saying 9/11 was an inside job with the sources you are using.

Where are those citations? I didn't see any in-text citations.

 

[soylentgreen]

No, you're misunderstanding the point that I'm making. I am getting a PhD in biology, by the way.
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You should also try for a few lessons in basic logic. That way you would not make the mistake of trying a appeal to authority fallacy such as the one you just made.

Exactly. The scientific method is just that, a method. It is not an all encompassing way of explaining the world. It's very good at what it does, but it can't do everything

Which is why it has no place in religion. It does not disprove and it certainly cannot prove a fiction.

You wouldn't call a resurrection a miracle?

No, i call it a fantasy.

A miracle is just a word that has no meaning until it is used. This can be easily demonstrated by the fact that a miracle is a catch-22. Such as;
Miracles are a basis of any religion, it is the corner stone of belief. To the point where it would take a miracle for an atheist to convince a theist that a miracle does not exist. Thus the very act of proving miracles do not occur would in itself be proof that miracles do occur.

The word itself means only what i choose it to mean.

 

[Cephus]

What reason do you have to disregard it?

The complete lack of objective evidence supporting it?

 

[Tim the plumber]

Who lived among Osiris and wrote contemporaneously of his existence?

Nobody. Writing had not been invented.

Who lived with Jesus and wrote contemporaneously of his existance and of his miricles and how has this been confirmed?

 

[Tim the plumber]

Absolute nonsense. Where's your list of real life, contemporary eyewitnesses, and what year was that in history?

Given that this happened before writing and before reliable dating was about how would that be possible.

However Jesus has no such excuse. So where is your confirmed by reliable eye witneses who wrote it down at the time and dated their material? I'll give you a clue, no accout of Jesus was written at all before 100 AD.

 

[Quag]

If they were willing to die for it, I'd at least check it out.

And if there was no way to look into the garage?

 

[phattonez]

The complete lack of objective evidence supporting it?

Like the complete lack of objective evidence supporting Socrates.

 

[phattonez]

And if there was no way to look into the garage?

I'd at least investigate to see if their other claims stack up.

 

[Quag]

I'd at least investigate to see if their other claims stack up.

And if you have no way of doing so?

 

[phattonez]

Given that this happened before writing and before reliable dating was about how would that be possible.

However Jesus has no such excuse. So where is your confirmed by reliable eye witneses who wrote it down at the time and dated their material? I'll give you a clue, no accout of Jesus was written at all before 100 AD.

Lol, even modern (aka liberal) Bible scholars give you away. The Gospel of Mark "was probably written c.AD 66–70, during Nero's persecution of the Christians in Rome or the Jewish revolt, as suggested by internal references to war in Judea and to persecution."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark#Composition

 

[Cephus]

Like the complete lack of objective evidence supporting Socrates.

And as I said, I don't care if Socrates existed. Can you say the same about Jesus?

 

[phattonez]

And if you have no way of doing so?

Why do I have no way of doing so? I can ask how the dragon got in there, whether neighbors saw the dragon, whether the dragon can be heard, etc. If all of these things agree with their claims, then they're probably right.

 

[phattonez]

And as I said, I don't care if Socrates existed. Can you say the same about Jesus?

You also have to dump Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Virgil, etc. Are you really going to dump all of ancient history because of your impossible demands of ancient history?

 

[Cephus]

You also have to dump Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Virgil, etc. Are you really going to dump all of ancient history because of your impossible demands of ancient history?

I can do that. Can you?

 

[phattonez]

I can do that. Can you?

No, I'm not going to dump all of them, neither are you.

 

[devildavid]

I'll ask again: do you know what the penalty is for Roman guards who fail in one of their duties?

I'll ask you, how do you know how terrible the punishment is if it was never carried out due to fear of it? Is it possible for Roman guards to fall asleep? Is it possible they did not get caught? Is this fantastic story far more possible?:

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was [1] a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. 9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

The Report of the Guard

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

Yeah, sure, the angel of god came down. Happens all the time. That sounds reasonable. And people were paid off to lie about this fantastic story and never spilled the beans. OK.

 

[Quag]

Why do I have no way of doing so? I can ask how the dragon got in there, whether neighbors saw the dragon, whether the dragon can be heard, etc. If all of these things agree with their claims, then they're probably right.

People have already claimed the Dragon or Zeus to be there.
You cannot see or hear the dragon, all you have is their word. SO Ill ask again would you believe the Dragon or Zeus is in the garage?