Why Guns Should Be Confiscated[W:730]

[danielpalos]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Gun lovers should be grabbed, not guns. We need better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia.

 

[B'smith]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Can you explain to me why the mathematical laws of odds and probabilities applies to all things on the planet except firearms?

No, I can't but facts are facts. However, I asked first and I think you'll better understand the topic at hand by reading the entire article I cited.

If I genuinely believed that additional gun control laws would decrease homicides in America, I would be more supportive of them but they are a cynical diversion & "feel good" distraction to avoid doing things that WOULD work like devoting more resources to mental health detection & treatment in the US.

In my experience, true solutions to any problem are neither cheap nor easy.

I would be willing to pay more in taxes for better national health care including mental health care.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

No, I can't but facts are facts. However, I asked first and I think you'll better understand the topic at hand by reading the entire article I cited.

If I genuinely believed that additional gun control laws would decrease homicides in America, I would be more supportive of them but they are a cynical diversion & "feel good" distraction to avoid doing things that WOULD work like devoting more resources to mental health detection & treatment in the US.

In my experience, true solutions to any problem are neither cheap nor easy.

I would be willing to pay more in taxes for better national health care including mental health care.

So lets clear one thing up before we move on..... do you accept that the mathematical laws of odds and probabilities that apply to all things in our world also apply to firearms?

 

[B'smith]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So lets clear one thing up before we move on..... do you accept that the mathematical laws of odds and probabilities that apply to all things in our world also apply to firearms?

No you're talking about "things" & I'm talking about human behavior.

You still haven't answered the question I asked earlier Re:

How do you explain the facts presented by the FBI:

"FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low"
https://mises.org/wire/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low
Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen
EXCERPT "As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly."CONTINUED


Have you considered the possibility that you have been misled by the anti gun MSM bias?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

No you're talking about "things" & I'm talking about human behavior.

Human being use things. You cannot pretend they are not linked.

Lets put it simply: If 500 people live on an island there is not one motor vehicle on the island all year , what are the odds of an automobile accident on that island?

And if in the next year we add two automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were none?

And if in the next year we add twenty more automobiles which are no driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were only two?

If any rational person understands how odds and probabilities work, why do these same risks not also impact firearms and their users?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

No you're talking about "things" & I'm talking about human behavior.

Human being use things. You cannot pretend they are not linked.

Lets put it simply: If 500 people live on an island there is not one motor vehicle on the island all year , what are the odds of an automobile accident on that island?

And if in the next year we add two automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were none?

And if in the next year we add twenty more automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were only two?

If any rational person understands how odds and probabilities work, why do these same risks not also impact firearms and their users?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

But the 16 inch guns of the Missouri were both manufactured and sold.

Could you clarify your position?

If I can walk into a store and buy a gun I have the right to own it

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

If you live in the USA, then you know that legislation has limited guns in our history just as I claimed. 1994 and 1934 for example.

There was something in 1934 and there was something in 1968.

1994 was what they called a so-called assault weapons ban. It did not ban a single gun.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Yes, you are throwing a hissy fit temper tantrum and shrieking about Nazis because sociopaths can't easily get deadly weapons. It's truly sad the depths of the hysterics gun obsessives are willing to descend to.

The people who wrote the constitution would find your position absolutely ridiculous, given that society at the time was perfectly fine with throwing your beloved psychopaths in ****tily run institutions.

Oh really? Yeah, your delusion is rather amusing, as is your attempt to equate a racial group with mental ill people.

So everyone who disagrees with you throws Hissy Fits when they State their opinion you can read the minds of dead men and Prejudice is not to be compared with prejudice because it's different for some reason?

Good arguments. Boy I'm convinced.

 

[jaeger19]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So, in your opinion, the laws of odds and probabilities do apply to firearms like they do everything else in our world?

Of course.. that's why looking at "gun violence" is not a valid statistic.

 

[jaeger19]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Human being use things. You cannot pretend they are not linked.

Lets put it simply: If 500 people live on an island there is not one motor vehicle on the island all year , what are the odds of an automobile accident on that island?

And if in the next year we add two automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were none?

And if in the next year we add twenty more automobiles which are no driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were only two?

If any rational person understands how odds and probabilities work, why do these same risks not also impact firearms and their users?

Exactly why looking at automobile accidents on the island would not be a valid statistic to see whether they were a detriment to society and should be banned.

The same reason why looking at "gun violence" is not a valid statistic.

 

[calamity]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

people who have not been adjudicated (committed) don't lose their rights. Do you have a problem with that?

"Take the guns first; due process later."

Didn't you vote for that dude?

 

[B'smith]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Human being use things. You cannot pretend they are not linked.

Lets put it simply: If 500 people live on an island there is not one motor vehicle on the island all year , what are the odds of an automobile accident on that island?

And if in the next year we add two automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were none?

And if in the next year we add twenty more automobiles which are now driven on the island, do the odds of an automobile accident go up from the previous year when there were only two?

If any rational person understands how odds and probabilities work, why do these same risks not also impact firearms and their users?

I understand your point about how odds & probabilities work but apparently there are variables at work like more Americans using firearms to defend themselves & not becoming a homicide statistic.
Just because a fact cannot be easily explained doesn't make it less valid.
I can't explain how the pyramids were built but they exist in plain view.

The topic at hand is "Why Guns Should be Confiscated" & I've presented a fact that refutes the reasoning behind their need to be confiscated.

Why do you continue to evade my initial question that was?

How do you explain the facts presented by the FBI:

"FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low"
https://mises.org/wire/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low
Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen
EXCERPT "As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly."CONTINUED

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

There was something in 1934 and there was something in 1968.

1994 was what they called a so-called assault weapons ban. It did not ban a single gun.

This article , replete with footnotes, says otherwise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)—officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act—is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as "large capacity".

The ten-year ban was passed by the U.S. Congress on September 13, 1994, following a close 52–48 vote in the Senate, and signed into law by then President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment, and it expired on September 13, 2004, in accordance with its sunset provision.

Several constitutional challenges were filed against provisions of the ban, but all were rejected by reviewing courts. There were multiple attempts to renew the ban, but none succeeded.

Lots of BAN in there for something you claimed banned nothing.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Of course.. that's why looking at "gun violence" is not a valid statistic.

So you agree that the mathematical laws of odds and probabilities impact firearms?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Exactly why looking at automobile accidents on the island would not be a valid statistic to see whether they were a detriment to society and should be banned.

The same reason why looking at "gun violence" is not a valid statistic.

So do the same laws of mathematical odds and probabilities which apply to all other things NOT apply to firearms?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

I understand your point about how odds & probabilities work but apparently there are variables at work like more Americans using firearms to defend themselves & not becoming a homicide statistic.

Do you? I am not sure based on your response.

Do you agree that mathematical laws of odds and probabilities impact firearms as they do all other things?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

This article , replete with footnotes, says otherwise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban



Lots of BAN in there for something you claimed banned nothing.

So give me an example of a particular gun that was actually banned by this legislation.

It didn't ban the AR-15 the AK-47 or the TEC-9.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So do the same laws of mathematical odds and probabilities which apply to all other things NOT apply to firearms?

You are the only person saying they don't.

 

[jaeger19]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So do the same laws of mathematical odds and probabilities which apply to all other things NOT apply to firearms?

Its not my fault you are unable to understand odds and probabilities.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So give me an example of a particular gun that was actually banned by this legislation.

It didn't ban the AR-15 the AK-47 or the TEC-9.

did you not read the article I provided? here is just a small part of it

[h=2]Provisions of the 1994 ban[edit][/h]The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act (the Federal Assault Weapons Ban) was enacted as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.[SUP][14][/SUP] The prohibitions expired on September 13, 2004.[SUP][14][/SUP]
The Act prohibited the manufacture, transfer, or possession of "semiautomatic assault weapons" as defined by the Act. "Weapons banned were identified either by specific make or model (including copies or duplicates thereof, in any caliber), or by specific characteristics that slightly varied according to whether the weapon was a pistol, rifle, or shotgun" (see below).[SUP][14][/SUP] The Act also prohibited the transfer and possession of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" (LCAFDs). An LCAFD was defined as "any magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date [of the act] that has the capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition".[SUP][14][/SUP]

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Its not my fault you are unable to understand odds and probabilities.

Is there some reason you will not give a clear and unambiguous answer but instead resort to insults?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

You are the only person saying they don't.

So you do accept that when you increase the proliferation of guns you also increase the probabilities that they will be used in a negative or harmful way.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

did you not read the article I provided? here is just a small part of it

So let me get this straight you can't name a single gun that was banned price of 1994 assault weapons ban?

Well I'm glad you have conceded through a mission because there wasn't a single gun banned.

I read all about this law a few weeks ago and it surprised me to see how little and actually did.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

So let me get this straight you can't name a single gun that was banned price of 1994 assault weapons ban?

Well I'm glad you have conceded through a mission because there wasn't a single gun banned.

I read all about this law a few weeks ago and it surprised me to see how little and actually did.

I provided you with the article detailing the law and what weapons were provided.

This landmark study goes into much greater detail and should help you.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf