Why GOP Senators Blocked Democratic Bill to Fund Government and Suspend Debt Ceiling (1 Viewer)

[EMNofSeattle]

Are there any parts of the the DOE you would save?

Well it depends. If It’s possible to use the DOE to order solar and wind power banned and disassembled than maybe they can stay.

 

[Dayton3]

"Common defense"

right there

of course it is

Military spending by country worldwide 2023 | Statista

The United States is the country with highest military spending, spending more than three times the amount of China.

www.statista.com

"common defense" can mean almost anything.

 

[BlueTex]

Well it depends. If It’s possible to use the DOE to order solar and wind power banned and disassembled than maybe they can stay.

Do you even know what is under the DOE?

 

[Dayton3]

"Common defense"

right there

of course it is

Military spending by country worldwide 2023 | Statista

The United States is the country with highest military spending, spending more than three times the amount of China.

www.statista.com

You probably won't read this but you (and others) should.

Combined China and Russian Defense Spending Exceeds U.S. Defense Budget

Here’s a myth often repeated: “The United States defense budget is larger than the next 10 countries combined.” You hear it all the time from progressives, led by the Senate Budget C

www.realcleardefense.com

 

[trouble13]

That assumes that many Republican voters think that their refusal to take part in the governing of the country . I am not so sure that is true. Yes, the hard right is with them but I am willing to bet there are one heck of a lot of working class families who could use cheaper day care, universal pre K, high-speed internet, dental, vision and hearings aids included in Medicare and more. Several GOP Govenerors are supportive of both bills. I can't imagine many of the working families who need these changes really care much if corporate taxes were to go up a bit .

ETA I think the Dems need to work harder at getting the details about the plans out there . They are allowing the RW media control the narrative which is full of mistruths and vitriol.

I have heard very little about what's in it. Do you know what's in it?

 

[rahl]

"common defense" can mean almost anything.

no it can't.

 

[rahl]

You probably won't read this but you (and others) should.

Combined China and Russian Defense Spending Exceeds U.S. Defense Budget

Here’s a myth often repeated: “The United States defense budget is larger than the next 10 countries combined.” You hear it all the time from progressives, led by the Senate Budget C

www.realcleardefense.com

Just finished reading it. Not sure how you think that opinion piece refutes the actual data I provided? The US spends more than the next 10 countries combined. I just showed you that using actual dollars spent.

 

[Callen]

I have heard very little about what's in it. Do you know what's in it?

Yes quite a bit. There has been quite a bit of coverage. Biden gave a very good speech about it this PM. I don't know the price per component and I don't know if I recall the entire list....but from memory...
Subsidized child care based on income
Universal preK
Free college for two year post high school college
Child tax credit made permanent
Subsidized elder care
Some change to Pell grants
Including vision, dental and hearing aids in Meficare
Several environment initiatives to do with solar etc

Nothing I see on that list favors Dems over Republicans and it is all targeted to working class and middle class people.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do you even know what is under the DOE?

Who cares? Since the democrats do whatever they want when they’re in power we can use department of energy to do whatever we want and when Trump is re-elected the goal should be entirely puntititive towards the left

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Yes quite a bit. There has been quite a bit of coverage. Biden gave a very good speech about it this PM. I don't know the price per component and I don't know if I recall the entire list....but from memory...
Subsidized child care based on income
Universal preK
Free college for two year post high school college
Child tax credit made permanent
Subsidized elder care
Some change to Pell grants
Including vision, dental and hearing aids in Meficare
Several environment initiatives to do with solar etc

Nothing I see on that list favors Dems over Republicans and it is all targeted to working class and middle class people.

It is calculated to cause more democrat voters, universal pre-K is a good example, that’s just a welfare program from day care purposes to fulfill the democrat ideal that women should be out of the home and neglecting their children. Subsidized elder care is just a front to import more third world aliens because you watch, we magically won’t have enough workers for it. And on top of that if someone needs subsidized elder care it is because they didn’t have enough children to have a family to care for them in their old age. Because they decided to buy into notions of the self over family duty. It should be the opposite, elders with no kids should be paying high taxes to subsidize families with more then three kids

 

[Logician Man]

<<< to fulfill the democrat ideal that women should be out of the home and neglecting their children.>>>

Pffffft!!!.... Such a wild and vivid imagination. Such a gravely evil accusation to attribute to 1/2 of the nurturing, loving mothers in America, as well as their loving families.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Pffffft!!!.... Such a wild and vivid imagination.

It’s their open policy. I don’t see how you can deny it.

No one in the Democratic Party promotes the idea mothers should be raising their children at home

 

[Logician Man]

It’s their open policy. I don’t see how you can deny it.

No one in the Democratic Party promotes the idea mothers should be raising their children at home

You 'prove' it. I won't deny it. The floor is yours.

 

[Dayton3]

Just finished reading it. Not sure how you think that opinion piece refutes the actual data I provided? The US spends more than the next 10 countries combined. I just showed you that using actual dollars spent.

The "actual data" you provided are "opinions" as well. If you researched it you would know that Chinese and Russian defense spending (and probably French and several other nations is not calculated in the straight up manner it is in the United States.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

50 votes is not enough for Dems. They aren’t single minded Republicans.

"Single minded" is a lot easier when you have the blocking position. It's Stand Aside/Stand Firm, and Dems in the same situation would be unified to Stand Firm.

It will be 1.3 Trillion like Manchin wanted from the start. Maybe 1.5, but all this posturing for 4T is in-party nonsense. Of course, quote me if I'm proven wrong.

 

[highroller]

No one in the Democratic Party promotes the idea mothers should be raising their children at home

Imagine leaving that up to the individual….

 

[rahl]

The "actual data" you provided are "opinions" as well.

it's the actual figures of what each country spends. not opinion.

If you researched it you would know that Chinese and Russian defense spending (and probably French and several other nations is not calculated in the straight up manner it is in the United States.

yes it is

 

[Dayton3]

it's the actual figures of what each country spends. not opinion.

yes it is

At one time, the Russian defence spending was ONLY what they spent on the salaries of their military personnel.

But you're so hidebound to your idea that the U.S. spends too much on its military that you're never going to accept anything that indicates we aren't.

Be honest.

 

[rahl]

At one time, the Russian defence spending was ONLY what they spent on the salaries of their military personnel.

no it wasn't.

But you're so hidebound to your idea that the U.S. spends too much on its military that you're never going to accept anything that indicates we aren't.

It's not my idea. It's what the actual data shows.

Be honest.

I can't get any more honest than providing you the actual dollar amounts being spent. Your position is demonstrably false, and I have proven so.

 

[Dayton3]

no it wasn't.

It's not my idea. It's what the actual data shows.

I can't get any more honest than providing you the actual dollar amounts being spent. Your position is demonstrably false, and I have proven so.

You did not bother reading the information at the link I posted obviously.

You lied about that. Ok, I won't argue with a proven liar.

 

[mrjurrs]

Republicans are not against avoiding default either. They are opposed to the new spending that comes with it, same as at least 2 Democratic senators.

Please inform yourself. Raising the debt ceiling has zero to do with future spending. The Senate R's charged their spending. The bill has come due and they won't pay.

 

[rahl]

You did not bother reading the information at the link I posted obviously.

yes, I read your opinion blog. Not sure why you think that somehow invalidates the actual data I gave you?

You lied about that. Ok, I won't argue with a proven liar.

Well, you've been given the actual dollar figures of each country. You can reject that if you want, but reality doesn't give a shit.

 

[Dayton3]

yes, I read your opinion blog. Not sure why you think that somehow invalidates the actual data I gave you?

Well, you've been given the actual dollar figures of each country. You can reject that if you want, but reality doesn't give a shit.

And just where did those "actual dollar figures of each country" come from?

 

[trouble13]

Please inform yourself. Raising the debt ceiling has zero to do with future spending. The Senate R's charged their spending. The bill has come due and they won't pay.

Is it your claim that they are proposing to raise debt ceiling only enough to pay for previous spending, nothing new will be added to it?

Is that what you are trying to sell to everyone in this thread?

If that's the case, the floors is all yours to make that case. I can't wait to hear your hornswoggle.

 

[What if...?]

Funny. I have yet to mention the 3.5T, It is all you.
What I did post was:
"and of course things were fine under Trump, right?
Balanced budget, nope
Deficit reduction, nope"

Were you ok with what the Republicans and the rest of Congress did as far as budgets under the Trump Administration?

Yes.

The answer is yes.

I saw the segment on FOX saying it was all the democrat's fault.

And that's all it takes.