Why Everyone's Bored With Atheists

[Gordy327]

lol...ain't that the truth?

It is fact.

 

[Daisy]

It is fact.

Truth...

 

[Paradoxical]

The question is...do you have the capability to distinguish the truth from lies?

Yes. I do. Do you and how do you know you do other than faith?

 

[Daisy]

Yes. I do. Do you and how do you know you do other than faith?

Then you have nothing to worry about do you? I don't either...

 

[Paradoxical]

Then you have nothing to worry about do you? I don't either...

You are right. Do you know that no one can possibly hold a belief they know is false? Also people hold beliefs they think are true but are not.

 

[Daisy]

Do you know that no one can possibly hold a belief they know is false? Also people hold beliefs they think are true but are not.

Oxymoron at its best...

 

[Ouroboros]

I think you are confusing science with technology. Although related, they can be different. Science is about what is, technologies about what can be.

For example, is realizing that the Earth is not at the center of the universe as had been official church doctrine for over sixteen centuries, or that it is more than 6000 years old.

Technology is being able to turn a biologically fat person into a skinny person through liposuction, or a cancer patient into a cancer free patient with surgery and chemotherapy.

An interesting application of technology would be the trans claim that physically altering a male body makes it a female body, though as yet no one has figured out how to make that feminized body bear children.

But trans ideologues aren't even claiming they need to "become" women. So men who claim they're women, sans alterations, are free to compete with women in women's sports contests, where of course their genetic advantages put these "women" ahead of the game.

 

[Ouroboros]

How are you certain that Odin is not the true god? Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Every religious fundamentalist is certain about the existence of THEIR god and while doubting the existence or validity of every other god.

Having a mind so open that anything is possible doesn't make you enlightened, it makes you a sucker.

Tired bullshit. Believers are free to enjoy their certainties, however much I disagree, just as atheists are free to enjoy theirs.

The problem with atheists is that they THINK they have scientific proofs that justify their certainties, while believers use faith for justification. As an agnostic I don't agree with either of them. What are you not getting about this intellectual disagreement? Is it just because the position doesn't validate atheists?

 

[Ouroboros]

Many people are just not educated about the belief systems they hold, including socialists. Socialism works only in paradise and even then, not so well.

Same goes for atheists. Most of the arguments here are poorly researched. I will correct my earlier statement re Michael Cole, because he's at least shown that he can do some research. I've seen no evidence that the rest of the posters know Plotinus from a hole in the ground.

 

[Ouroboros]

Christians only care about their own reason and no one else else’s. What else is new?.

Watsup and I were speaking of the reasons I cited for my positions, which watsup mischaracterized as "excuses." If any believers mischaracterize my positions, I'll respond to them in kind. But so far on this thread, it's only been the atheists lying about an agnostic, meaning me.

 

[Ouroboros]

It's you that proved yourself wrong.

You provided the correct definition, and it fit what you were doing perfectly......proving you wrong.

Speak of mischaracterization, up pops Nolan Voyd, who doesn't even have the virtue of making any new arguments.

 

[Ouroboros]

Wow, lots and lots of projection this morning!

Spoken like a non-believer who only believes he understands the argument.

 

[Ouroboros]

Stalinist model blah blah blah. Name-calling does not contribute to reasoned debate.

The only people I called Stalinists were actual historical Stalinists. Project much?

 

[Ouroboros]

We have. Please pay better attention. Your OP was chock full of ridiculous statements that had no merit.

Nope, still just a lot of silly irrational blather, except, like I said above, Michael Cole, who at least supplied some coherent reasons for his position.

 

[Ouroboros]

You are right. Do you know that no one can possibly hold a belief they know is false? Also people hold beliefs they think are true but are not.

Do a lot of Lefties, as mentioned above, literally believe that a man becomes a woman by stating that he is? Or are they just claiming such a belief because they don't want to be cancelled?

 

[Ouroboros]

Your quote explicitly states the "Marxism" in Critical Theory is sociology. That's what I said. So, apparently, the "dumb" post is yours and yours alone.

Critical Theory is specific to certain sociology courses. It has nothing to do with economics, which is what I'm referring to.

No, because the sociology in Critical Theory is founded in Marxist economic theory and is expressed through legal arguments. Kamala proved that every time she prated about "equity." But the dumbness of your post was your assumption that the two are separable, which I never claimed.

 

[Ouroboros]

Is Trump a cafeteria Christian to you??

I tried to get a definition of "cafeteria Christian" days ago and got no response. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[Ouroboros]

Bible quotes are like quoting from a Superman movie.

You must not have seen any of the good ones.

 

[Ouroboros]

They can't even agree on their own mythology.

Yet a number of atheists here have claimed they're NOT all on the same page. Not that I have agreed with that statement, but if it's a virtue for atheists, it's a virtue for believers.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oxymoron at its best...

It doesn't matter what you call the analogy I used. You continually ask others to research as if they haven't. It is arrogant and condescending to assume that you are right and everybody else is wrong. Posts such as yours are one reason I left CARM after being there for years. It is a hyper religious site where the site owner is a Calvinist and while everyone these isn't Calvinist, they are also ardent believers in their denomination's teachings, whether that be Calvinism, Jehovah's Witness, Baptist, Mormon, Pentecostal, Catholic, Protestant and on and on and forever on.

The above is why I assert that everyone thinks what they believe is correct and no one can hold onto a belief they know is false. All those denominations I mentioned above are just the tip of the iceberg as there are at least dozens more and in every single case those who stay in those groups imagine that they, and they alone, have the "gospel" truth. I was taught well by the very fine Catholic nuns, dutifully studied catechism, was an altar boy, went to church all the time and was told I had a one-track mind in a nice way by a nun because I would ask follow-up questions to contradictions that she couldn't answer and after a while I wouldn't be called on. This is why a insist that this new Democrat party is identical to Christianity. They use identical tactics of control and indoctrination and propagandize their subjects and refuse follow-up questions.

When you are asked them, you slap up numerous bible quotes to impress the board. I'm used to that. Believe me (pun intended). Also believe me when I say I know you are a bible expert. It is apparent. Mind telling me where it says anywhere in the New Testament that the NT was inspired by any "God"? Paul's contention that "all scripture was inspired..." could not mean the NT as it was not scripture and was not even written when he sent his letters. Not that it would even matter to someone like me because any human pr scribe can insert that to convince the gullible. They did do that in the OT when the unknown writers said "Thus Sayeth the Lord" and I looked all over that document as well and see no proof that the "Lord" said anything at all.

 

[Gordy327]

Yet a number of atheists here have claimed they're NOT all on the same page. Not that I have agreed with that statement, but if it's a virtue for atheists, it's a virtue for believers.

Of course they're on the same page. Atheists do not have beliefs in gods. That's it.

 

[Paradoxical]

Do a lot of Lefties, as mentioned above, literally believe that a man becomes a woman by stating that he is? Or are they just claiming such a belief because they don't want to be cancelled?

It's hard to say. My statement is that no one will hold a belief they know is false. But you question brings up what it is that happens to the human brain and how religion(s) started. I want someone to believe what I believe because if they do, it validates my own beliefs, and I take a hot button tactic like Jesus for instance. Like Elvis Presley he was loved by many and emotions ran high. People couldn't believe he actually died and were morose. Many claimed they saw him after he died and that is why there are so many Elvis impersonators. so, I was one who idolized Jesus, and I heard some rumblings of visions. Those who claim them are getting attention and adulation. I am rather ugly, and no one likes me much and I decide that I will claim a vision as well. I tell Scott and surprisingly he buys into it. That was easy so I tell Pete, and he does too. Those two tell others what I told them, and they come to me to see if it is true and I tell them it definitely is. Soon I have dozens of admirers, all saying I am the bomb and to talk to me if they don't believe it. At that point, I can't change my story, nor do I want to because now I have status and recognition. The story of my vision grows and grows like an MLM scheme and I find I can make money now through donations by telling the story.

This is what happens to people who say a born man can be a woman. Others in authority feed them that bullshit and they are lazy, don't research, and just believe what they hear because there is little downside and because Frank, Pete, Mary, John and people they hang with believe it. Their "belief" is not based on any facts but based on what someone told them, and they don't want to be left out.

 

[Paradoxical]

You must not have seen any of the good ones.

Sam Harris has replaced Christopher Hitchens as one of the most militant atheists of the day and I have listened to probably every debate that both have had. Being that I grew up in the Catholic cult, I relate to what he said in a debate which is that his girls love Batgirl and wear her suits and go around with their arms out as if they could fly. He postulated that if there was a society that continually said and taught that Batgirl was real, his daughters would grow up believing that because the society in which she lived all believed it; her friends did; the elders did and even though no one ever saw the "real" Batgirl, she most certainly existed and only appeared to a very few chosen people. As they got older and started having doubts and expressed them the society members admonished and even ridiculed them, to such an extent it put them in emotional turmoil because they were being berated for their NON belief in Batgirl.

The above is why people will CLAIM they still believe even when they don't. You could not tell if they really still believed in Batgirl or not. All you would know is they say they do.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Tired bullshit. Believers are free to enjoy their certainties, however much I disagree, just as atheists are free to enjoy theirs.

Gravity is a theory. Are you certain of its effects on you if you walk off a tall building? There's no proof that God doesn't exist because you can't prove a negative.

The problem with atheists is that they THINK they have scientific proofs that justify their certainties, while believers use faith for justification.

No, I don't think there's scientific proof that God doesn't exist. But you can apply that to Leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy as well.

As an agnostic I don't agree with either of them. What are you not getting about this intellectual disagreement? Is it just because the position doesn't validate atheists?

You are so high-minded.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Sam Harris has replaced Christopher Hitchens as one of the most militant atheists of the day and I have listened to probably every debate that both have had. Being that I grew up in the Catholic cult, I relate to what he said in a debate which is that his girls love Batgirl and wear her suits and go around with their arms out as if they could fly. He postulated that if there was a society that continually said and taught that Batgirl was real, his daughters would grow up believing that because the society in which she lived all believed it; her friends did; the elders did and even though no one ever saw the "real" Batgirl, she most certainly existed and only appeared to a very few chosen people. As they got older and started having doubts and expressed them the society members admonished and even ridiculed them, to such an extent it put them in emotional turmoil because they were being berated for their NON belief in Batgirl.

The above is why people will CLAIM they still believe even when they don't. You could not tell if they really still believed in Batgirl or not. All you would know is they say they do.

Sam Harris isn't remotely as effective as Christopher Hitchens was. And ultimately Sam Harris is just an anti-Arab, western-supremacist bigot.