Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

[Mongidig]

A hell of a lot of it. And it's because they know it's not nearly as serious as they have been trying to portray it to us in order to keep exercising their control over the populace. "Rules for thee but not for me"

So what's going on in the hospitals now? It seems many are at or close to capacity all around the country. Is it all a lie? Is it all a big conspiracy? Why did my Republican Governor reluctantly close things down in May when the hospitals started to fill up? Is he in on it? We just had 1000 medical workers come into my state to help out and they say they need at least 900 more. What part of this is not serious to you? This is all before Thanksgiving.

 

[Antiwar]

A hell of a lot of it. And it's because they know it's not nearly as serious as they have been trying to portray it to us in order to keep exercising their control over the populace. "Rules for thee but not for me"

I think it's more because politicians are more privileged than the average person.

Politicians are the messengers for epidemiologists and such. Epidemiologists and such say what we should do based on science, and others try to make that advice more practicle.

Really, we never had enough of a shutdown. I think it should've been as harsh as possible so the spread would've been slowed as much as possible, as quickly as possible. And/or we needed testing out the wazoo so we could isolate and quarantine infectious people, and contact trace easier.

Everything would've been easier if we had been more mentally prepared and logistically prepared. Instead, it's spread and we've wasted most of our efforts.

People have a hard time with abstract issues, especially things we cannot see and know.

 

[Antiwar]

A hell of a lot of it. And it's because they know it's not nearly as serious as they have been trying to portray it to us in order to keep exercising their control over the populace. "Rules for thee but not for me"

More:

Control is a tough issue. Government is the organization of people. Maybe you have an environmental issue that you're concerned about. If there were no controls on that issue, people could degrade and destroy it.

What is your profile picture?

 

[Gondwanaland]

I think it's more because politicians are more privileged than the average person.

Politicians are the messengers for epidemiologists and such. Epidemiologists and such say what we should do based on science, and others try to make that advice more practicle.

Really, we never had enough of a shutdown. I think it should've been as harsh as possible so the spread would've been slowed as much as possible, as quickly as possible. And/or we needed testing out the wazoo so we could isolate and quarantine infectious people, and contact trace easier.

Everything would've been easier if we had been more mentally prepared and logistically prepared. Instead, it's spread and we've wasted most of our efforts.

People have a hard time with abstract issues, especially things we cannot see and know.

Honestly we should never have had a shutdown in the first place. It simply never made sense. We should have sheltered and encouraged isolation for those at ristk (like elderly, immune compromised), and let the rest of us continue on with our lives. Get it, get over with it, get antibodies. So many businesses have already been destroyed just by the first shutdowns, and now various states are gearing up or have already enacted another to kill off even more livelihoods.

 

[Gondwanaland]

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Control is a tough issue. Government is the organization of people. Maybe you have an environmental issue that you're concerned about. If there were no controls on that issue, people could degrade and destroy it.

That's the problem. Politicians want more control, and will do whatever they can to gain and keep it.

 

[Antiwar]

Honestly we should never have had a shutdown in the first place. It simply never made sense. We should have sheltered and encouraged isolation for those at ristk (like elderly, immune compromised), and let the rest of us continue on with our lives. Get it, get over with it, get antibodies. So many businesses have already been destroyed just by the first shutdowns, and now various states are gearing up or have already enacted another to kill off even more livelihoods.

The problem with that idea is that we don't get herd immunity without vaccines. Look it up.

 

[Gondwanaland]

So what's going on in the hospitals now? It seems many are at or close to capacity all around the country. Is it all a lie? Is it all a big conspiracy? Why did my Republican Governor reluctantly close things down in May when the hospitals started to fill up? Is he in on it? We just had 1000 medical workers come into my state to help out and they say they need at least 900 more. What part of this is not serious to you? This is all before Thanksgiving.

That's what they were claiming back in March/April/May too. Yet never even touched the field hospitals, barely touched a Navy medical ship, etc.. Here in CO, they wasted millions on field hospitals we never came even close to touching despite claims that we were filling up or 'close to capacity'. And somehow nurses had all the time in the world to make elaborate Tik-Toks. A number of doctors I know lost their jobs because they couldn't work or had their hours cut so much that they had to go get another job to make ends meet.

 

[Antiwar]

That's the problem. Politicians want more control, and will do whatever they can to gain and keep it.

Do you have an environmental issue?

 

[Mongidig]

Honestly we should never have had a shutdown in the first place. It simply never made sense. We should have sheltered and encouraged isolation for those at ristk (like elderly, immune compromised), and let the rest of us continue on with our lives. Get it, get over with it, get antibodies. So many businesses have already been destroyed just by the first shutdowns, and now various states are gearing up or have already enacted another to kill off even more livelihoods.

The problem with this idea is that the elderly and many immune compromised people need younger healthy people to take care of them. The other problem is that we are a very unhealthy nation. We have 133 million people in the vulnerable camp. This is a novel virus. We knew very little about it in the beginning, including whether you would gain immunity at all if you were infected.

We should have locked down hard and then come out very slowly.

 

[Gondwanaland]

The problem with that idea is that we don't get herd immunity without vaccines. Look it up.

I'm not talking about herd immunity. I'm talking about keeping the vulnerable protected while letting the healthy continue to run the economy - rather than locking the healthy down with the weak - until a vaccine came about.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Do you have an environmental issue?

An environmental issue with what?

I'm a libertarian. I'm against government pushing regulations.

 

[joko104]

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

We all thought we knew what kinds of places to avoid: the ballparks, the Sunday services, the packed train cars. If we didn’t want to catch COVID-19, we should …

fivethirtyeight.com

It gets worse.

I chose not to do a family get-together for Thanksgiving 2020 because I want to have one in 2021. Be responsible and do the same.

Your message sounds like you have a lonely life.

 

[Rawley]

The problem with that idea is that we don't get herd immunity without vaccines. Look it up.

Not to worry. Distribution of the Trump vaccine starts next month.

 

[Antiwar]

Not to worry. Distribution of the Trump vaccine starts next month.

"No worries," as the kids say. I'm already immune to that particular virus.

 

[Antiwar]

I'm not talking about herd immunity. I'm talking about keeping the vulnerable protected while letting the healthy continue to run the economy - rather than locking the healthy down with the weak - until a vaccine came about.

Isn't that what we've been trying to do?

How would the vulnerable be identified and protected?

Epidemiologists didn't know enough about the virus to do that. That's why it's called a novel virus- it's new. They still don't know enough about the virus.

 

[Antiwar]

An environmental issue with what?

I'm a libertarian. I'm against government pushing regulations.

A fishing spot, hunting area, forest, clean water, clean air, food- something you care about that you want to be protected from degradation and destruction.

Good timing. I just came across a good quote on right-libertarian ideology.:

On Ayn Rand's Objectivism, "I have always found it quaint, and rather touching, that there is a movement in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough."

 

[Gondwanaland]

A fishing spot, hunting area, forest, clean water, clean air, food- something you care about that you want to be protected from degradation and destruction.

I don't hunt or fish, what with being vegan. I obtain clean water and food by purchasing it.

Good timing. I just came across a good quote on right-libertarian ideology.:

Rand wasn't a libertarian, she was - as your quote even noted - an Objectivist. In fact she despised libertarians, moreso than liberals/conervatives.

 

[Threegoofs]

I don't hunt or fish, what with being vegan. I obtain clean water and food by purchasing it.

Rand wasn't a libertarian, she was - as your quote even noted - an Objectivist. In fact she despised libertarians, moreso than liberals/conervatives.

Ah.

B12 deficient.

Sucks when you get COVID to have nutritional deficiencies that especially hit blood cells.

(But you know what the risk is )

 

[Antiwar]

I don't hunt or fish, what with being vegan. I obtain clean water and food by purchasing it.

Rand wasn't a libertarian, she was - as your quote even noted - an Objectivist. In fact she despised libertarians, moreso than liberals/conervatives.

I never would've guessed you are vegan. I am also vegan.

Are you left-libertarian? I don't understand what seems to be a disconnect between you being vegan and the stuff you've posted here.

 

[Antiwar]

Ah.

B12 deficient.

Sucks when you get COVID to have nutritional deficiencies that especially hit blood cells.

(But you know what the risk is )

Any body can be B12 deficient.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Ah.

B12 deficient.

Sucks when you get COVID to have nutritional deficiencies that especially hit blood cells.

(But you know what the risk is )

Boy, I've never heard that one before, nosiree! sorry hun, unlike quite a large number of omnivores out there, I get my vitamin and other mineral/blood levels checked every year and also unlike a good number of omnivores, my B12 levels are well above normal range. Indeed, that tired old canard of 'B12 deficient' has been droned about for so many years I'd guess that every vegan out there knows it, and supplements, and likely has higher B12 levels than most omnis out there.

Also unlike most omnis out there, my Vitamin D levels are well above recommended levels - that's probably why a good number out there have been having issues with covid, because they have no clue that most people are deficient in vitamin D.

 

[Gondwanaland]

I never would've guessed you are vegan. I am also vegan.

Great to hear! Didn't guess you as vegan either.

Are you left-libertarian?

No, just plain ole libertarian, probably bordering on minarchist in many ways.

I don't understand what seems to be a disconnect between you being vegan and the stuff you've posted here.

What disconnect do you see?

 

[Threegoofs]

Boy, I've never heard that one before, nosiree! sorry hun, unlike quite a large number of omnivores out there, I get my vitamin and other mineral/blood levels checked every year and also unlike a good number of omnivores, my B12 levels are well above normal range. Indeed, that tired old canard of 'B12 deficient' has been droned about for so many years I'd guess that every vegan out there knows it, and supplements, and likely has higher B12 levels than most omnis out there.

Also unlike most omnis out there, my Vitamin D levels are well above recommended levels - that's probably why a good number out there have been having issues with covid, because they have no clue that most people are deficient in vitamin D.

Well, you know ‘everything’.

LOL

 

[Gondwanaland]

Well, you know ‘everything’.

LOL

Wow, did your kindergartender come up with that comeback or something? Or are you just a bot who only has a certain amount of preprogrammed responses?

 

[Antiwar]

Great to hear! Didn't guess you as vegan either.

No, just plain ole libertarian, probably bordering on minarchist in many ways.

Most libertarians seem to be right-libertarian, and most of them seem very hypocritical.

Are you antiwar?

Anybody you particularly like, such as Noam Chomsky?

What disconnect do you see?

I would think most vegans are so for ethical reasons. I would think you'd be more understanding about why we should follow the pandemic guidelines.