Why Euro US Missile Defence System should be a joint Russo-American thing.

[justone]

Who is they? Western Europe or former bloc nations? .

France, Germany and Italy first of all.

Either way, let them.

45 years of Cold War, protecting them from the Soviet Union, only to see them grovel in fear over Russia's new face, while stabbing the protector in the back is quite the slap in the face. Let tem learn their lessons over and over and over again. They have a history of stabbing each other in the back for self-preservation and it continues today.

And if former bloc nations choose to forget what life was under the curtain with some stupid illusion that things will be different this time around, let them lie in their beds.

I've become a firm believer that we should be extremely bold in our declarations that America's first priority is America, not the world. We have economic issues to sort out and for the first time since isolationalism we have an oppotrunity to look inward rather than allow others to use us while they look inward. Europe's in need of a lesson. One we shouldn't bother to stick around for. .

You have ignored my argument that now we are not capable of isolationism, we came to the point when we are dependant on China’s money. We cannot produce. We are turning into a 3rd world country production wise, even toys are produced for us by Communist China. Games of virtual money put us into the hole. Oil, we need oil. Islam is not willing to get us of the hook, nor we can afford to back up. Medvedev makes announcements about Latin America on the flight from Venezuela. What isolationism are you talking about?

It is very childish to hope that they will learn a lesson. We shouldn’t care. We should stick around the world for America, who cares about their lessons.

It sucks for you. Yes it sucks. It pisses you off, yes it is a pissed off situation. Stop complaining soldier. Pull yourself together and start making right decisions.

We should have intelligent people in the gov-nt. Somebody should understand the new realities both in America and in the world. Somebody should position America in the right way in the new tides. Should, should, should... nobody is there, even you are def and blind. I am afraid we are the ones who would have to learn a lesson in a hard way.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Do you think me to get offended by typical obtuse Euro criticism? Do you not think I have heard or seen it all over and over and over? Kaya actually admits that deploying for America is unthinkable despite a century of Americans crossing the ocean for Europe. Typical Euro attitudes that other Euros deny exists. Well, there's a whole lot of emotional lashing out in your last paragraph. It's funny how the losers of a war against America are declared the winners by America's critics via some poetic delusion. Perhaps by sending the bare minimum to Afghanistan out of fear from your own local Muslim populations had Bin Laden dancing with joy for years? I guess showing the world how weak the ties between America and Europe really was gave him his victory.

You should, because your country is actually collapsing, your economy is doing increasingly worse, your politics is mostly retarded and you did loose the war on terror. Because all of you people live in fear and only have on thing left on your brains "terrorism", thats all you think about, "terrorism", how to fight "terrorism", what to do with "terrorism" and so on. Just terrorism all the time. You dont see that the more you fight terrorism, the bigger their victory is.
You dont care that your country is loosing, or you do not understand it because the loss is not traditional. You arent loosing like wars usually are lost, but yo are loosing in all other ways.

Think 10-20 years back in time, and think of these times, then you will certainly see that America has lost, not only against terrorism, but in general. You have two options, complete completely or become some bizarre copy of NAZI Germany.. Both are happening at the same time with you, and I certainly hope you will rather collapse than become another evil empire, that Europe have to deal with this time.

It wouldnt take much, we just have to put effort into the military, and we can stop the evil US empire, or their future civil war.


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[Maximus Zeebra]

And today, you whine about the economy. An economy that has been proven to be nothing without the strength of the American dollar. Find another power to cling to. It's time for America to look inward.

:2funny:

Strength of the American dollar..

... :2funny:

...............alright. Great job with colonialism, WWI, WWII, and the Cold War by the way. Certainly history has shown the world how powerful and in charge Europe is. When you couldn't feast on third world nations any longer, you feasted on yourselves.

Sure.. Germany alone even almost took over the world. Only a huge and broad alliance against it could stop that. And that was certainly not the US alone, but with Russia, and most of Europe and a bunch of other nations, south American ones, and Asian ones. IT was basically Germany and Italy against the rest of the world. And Japan against the rest.

And then it ended. Europe was quite put down and in shock after Germany. But now again we are the strongest continent, and our expansion continues in another fashion.

:beatdeadhorse

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

America loves wars what are you talking about?
WW1 and 2 where the best days for Americans.

Exactly.. That was America on top.. Actually one of the few things Americans DO seem to get right IS war.

 

[kaya'08]

You people see war as an extension of politics. We see war as a failure of politics. We fight the small wars to keep the big wars from forming.

So you admit America has had a lot of failure in politics? And if we see war as an extension of politics, then when was the last time Europe went to war? The last noted war Europe was involved in as a whole included WW2. Now, how about America?

And all large wars start small (Y)

Who is they? Western Europe or former bloc nations?

Either way, let them

America needs Europe. Hasn't that been evident recently? They wouldn't bother spearheading a NATO defence shield in Europe if they didn't need Europe, so the defence shield, to you lot, is the best way of keeping us. By battling the rising tide of Russian influence. About time Putin got the Slavs back onto there feet. Personally, im sick of the US and all there dumb ass foreign politics. And i speak for Europe as a whole here.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

So you admit America has had a lot of failure in politics? And if we see war as an extension of politics, then when was the last time Europe went to war? The last noted war Europe was involved in as a whole included WW2. Now, how about America?

And all large wars start small (Y).

The US has fought a handful of rather large wars since the second world war. Europe has been involved but started none, except perhaps France who actually in some opinion set of the Vietnam war.

America needs Europe. Hasn't that been evident recently? They wouldn't bother spearheading a NATO defence shield in Europe if they didn't need Europe, so the defence shield, to you lot, is the best way of keeping us. By battling the rising tide of Russian influence. About time Putin got the Slavs back onto there feet. Personally, im sick of the US and all there dumb ass foreign politics. And i speak for Europe as a whole here.

America needs Europe more these days than ever before, and it seems it needs us more than we need them. The US would be completely isolated and alone in the world without us.
For my part I think Europe should focus less on cooperating with America alone, and rather start a broad alliance with many nations and cooperate with all nations, and try to direct them towards our stands and ways of doing things.
The American way of divide and ignore and attempt to force is just old fashion. Just like a conversation is the intelligent way to start and interaction between humans, and a fight is a dumb way, so is diplomacy the right way to do interaction on the world stage and violence only a last resort, not a first resort or something to be taken lightly.

 

[kaya'08]

America needs Europe more these days than ever before, and it seems it needs us more than we need them. The US would be completely isolated and alone in the world without us.

Exactly. I mean apart from Europe, there's no other allies it has, with the exception of Israel and i few others beyond Europe. If you dont need us, then cut all diplomatic relations. Lets see how much worse the US economy would do, and lets see how the US would intend to reach Iraq and Afghanistan without passing european soil namely Turkey.

For my part I think Europe should focus less on cooperating with America alone, and rather start a broad alliance with many nations and cooperate with all nations, and try to direct them towards our stands and ways of doing things.

Exactly, as i said, America isnt the only solution for Europe, and it isnt the only ally it needs. Europe should do more to bring other countries together, form alliances and common markets. Europes success lies within other economies and cooperation between other economies. I just wish Britain took this stance. Look where arse licking the Americans got us.

Just like a conversation is the intelligent way to start and interaction between humans, and a fight is a dumb way, so is diplomacy the right way to do interaction on the world stage and violence only a last resort, not a first resort or something to be taken lightly.

Regardless, i hold the upmost faith and hope and respect in America now with Obama's administration in office. The America i love is finally coming out, its good to see a world power reach out its hand and offer a friendly welcoming.
I have no personal ties to America, but its still hard not to love the country :2razz:
Well it hasn't been recently, but lets see how Obama does anyway.

 

[justone]

The US has fought a handful of rather large wars since the second world war. Europe has been involved but started none, except perhaps France who actually in some opinion set of the Vietnam war. .

You are forgetting that many of those wars were fought not only for the sake of the US, but also for your. The US was the first and may be the one fighting against slavery of Communism, for your freedom.

You should, because your country is actually collapsing, your economy is doing increasingly worse, your politics is mostly retarded and you did loose the war on terror. Because all of you people live in fear and only have on thing left on your brains "terrorism", thats all you think about, "terrorism", how to fight "terrorism", what to do with "terrorism" and so on. Just terrorism all the time. You dont see that the more you fight terrorism, the bigger their victory is. .

You are forgetting that war against Islam is not only American fight, America fights for your freedoms when you only hide behind our backs, surrender your freedoms to invading you Muslims – and then celebrate American collapse, and teach us how we should fight, and scream about our inhumane treatment of murderers and child abusers. We collapse – you go, you will be slaves of Islam long before us. Oh, I forget, Putin took the oath to murder terrorists without any consideration or hesitation – everywhere they can be found, - so you would hide behind his back now, prostituting yourself for your “peace”, - I don’t think he would ever bend to your screams about human rights of the Islamic fanatics like we do. As your philosophy and actions or rather non-actions are disgusting for GySgt and I, in the same way sooner or later Putin will learn his lesson, - and he is a quick learner, today he treats you like a lady and you melt down in his hands, but sooner or later he will recognize the cheap whore behind nice dress and perfume.

Diplomatic dialog with you is extremely difficult due to total absence of morality and honor you demonstrate each and every time.

I guess that's why you are betting on Obama as he is of the same material as you are. But don't keep your mouth open too wide the position of the President of the US puts certain restrains even on Obama.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

You are forgetting that war against Islam is not only American fight

Yep, thats because only America fights a war on Islam, just like only NAZI Germany fought the war on Jews..

America fights for your freedoms when you only hide behind our backs, surrender your freedoms to invading you Muslims

Delusional stuff there. The US is fighting only their own delusional war, just like NAZI Germany thought they were defending everyone from the Jews, while reality was completely different.

We ain't surrendering any freedoms. Americans are the ones surrendering their freedoms in the war on terror. We haven't given away any freedoms or civil liberties here in Europe.

– and then celebrate American collapse,

No one is celebrating that. We are just pointing you in the right direction, to fight for your own country and against its collapse, rather than the war on terror which just makes everything worse in your own country, actually keeps the whole nation imprisoned.

and teach us how we should fight, and scream about our inhumane treatment of murderers and child abusers.

Nah, we just want you to not become like NAZI Germany.

We collapse – you go, you will be slaves of Islam long before us.

Talk about being paranoid.. We have kept the Muslims at bay for thousands of years. We will never be their slaves, and thinking just because we let some of them live here means we are going to become their slaves is simply mind blowing ignorance. Actually double mind blowing ignorance considering you think Muslims want to try to enslave anyone. Actually triple mind blowing ignorance considering you think there is any chance they would succeed in a hypothetical scenario where they actually were going to try to enslave us. The ignorance in your statement is just so mind blowing that it could lead a bunch of people into permanent retardation where they believe such things about Muslims.. Ohh wait, that is exactly what is going on in the US.
You are already their slaves, you care about nothing but terrorism and has gone on a crusade to commit genocide of Muslim, while they just live their lives normally.

Oh, I forget, Putin took the oath to murder terrorists without any consideration or hesitation – everywhere they can be found, - so you would hide behind his back now, prostituting yourself for your “peace”, - I don’t think he would ever bend to your screams about human rights of the Islamic fanatics like we do. As your philosophy and actions or rather non-actions are disgusting for GySgt and I, in the same way sooner or later Putin will learn his lesson, - and he is a quick learner, today he treats you like a lady and you melt down in his hands, but sooner or later he will recognize the cheap whore behind nice dress and perfume.

Its to absurd to think this way.. That we treat Russia with respect and do not blindly hate them like you people, do not mean we are hiding behind their backs or prostetuting ourselves to them and whatever else you think. It just means we conduct our foreign policies different than "hate/force/not hate/propaganda".

 

[kaya'08]

We collapse – you go, you will be slaves of Islam long before us.

Is that what they teach you in America? That would explain why everytime America goes to war with a muslim country they think they are protecting us. You are not protecting us. Your made to believe this so your fake little racist war can be justified. Europe can fend for itself. Infact there was a point it threatened to take over all of the world. If you honestly believe Islam will do this, then this is the highlight of American ignorancy.

Oh, I forget, Putin took the oath to murder terrorists without any consideration or hesitation – everywhere they can be found, - so you would hide behind his back now, prostituting yourself for your “peace”,

Name me an instance Europe did this.

You are forgetting that war against Islam is not only American fight, America fights for your freedoms when you only hide behind our backs, surrender your freedoms to invading you Muslims – and then celebrate American collapse

OR its an American war fighting to FURTHER the American agenda in the ME!

As your philosophy and actions or rather non-actions are disgusting for GySgt and I, in the same way sooner or later Putin will learn his lesson, - and he is a quick learner, today he treats you like a lady and you melt down in his hands, but sooner or later he will recognize the cheap whore behind nice dress and perfume.

Christ, you are such a drama queen. Is there any instances we have gone and hidden behind Russia's back? If you really dont want us then stop complaining. America probably pays canada more attention then Europe to Russia.

but sooner or later he will recognize the cheap whore behind nice dress and perfume.

Are you speaking from experience?

 

[justone]

Is that what they teach you in America?

No this is what history and present observation teach.

That would explain why everytime America goes to war with a muslim country they think they are protecting us.

History and present observation certainly explain.

You are not protecting us. Your made to believe this so your fake little racist war can be justified. Europe can fend for itself. Infact there was a point it threatened to take over all of the world. If you honestly believe Islam will do this, then this is the highlight of American ignorancy.

History teaches - if not resisted with arms this is what Islam does for living, it its job.

Name me an instance Europe did this.

Read through the tread and imagine you and MZ are Europe.

OR its an American war fighting to FURTHER the American agenda in the ME!

How does it object to my words in the quote?

Christ, you are such a drama queen. Is there any instances we have gone and hidden behind Russia's back? If you really dont want us then stop complaining. America probably pays canada more attention then Europe to Russia.

Read through the tread and imagine you and MZ are Europe. Start from the OP. You already forgot what the topic is and who started it…

Are you speaking from experience?

Yes, my experience helps me to understand Putin more than you think.

 

[justone]

Yep, thats because only America fights a war on Islam, just like only NAZI Germany fought the war on Jews..
Delusional stuff there. The US is fighting only their own delusional war, just like NAZI Germany thought they were defending everyone from the Jews, while reality was completely different.

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

We ain't surrendering any freedoms. Americans are the ones surrendering their freedoms in the war on terror. We haven't given away any freedoms or civil liberties here in Europe.

Look through treads on DP, starting from Muslims rioting and finishing with them shutting of freedom of speech.

No one is celebrating that. We are just pointing you in the right direction, to fight for your own country and against its collapse, rather than the war on terror which just makes everything worse in your own country, actually keeps the whole nation imprisoned.

Islamic terrorists exist and they do thing. You are totally absent in the real world, - when you cannot see their existence.

Nah, we just want you to not become like NAZI Germany.

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.
I wish we would be like we used to be when we were dealing with Nazi’s in Germany, but we still have a long way to go back to reason and justice.

Talk about being paranoid.. We have kept the Muslims at bay for thousands of years. We will never be their slaves, and thinking just because we let some of them live here means we are going to become their slaves is simply mind blowing ignorance. Actually double mind blowing ignorance considering you think Muslims want to try to enslave anyone. Actually triple mind blowing ignorance considering you think there is any chance they would succeed in a hypothetical scenario where they actually were going to try to enslave us. The ignorance in your statement is just so mind blowing that it could lead a bunch of people into permanent retardation where they believe such things about Muslims.. Ohh wait, that is exactly what is going on in the US.
You are already their slaves, you care about nothing but terrorism and has gone on a crusade to commit genocide of Muslim, while they just live their lives normally.

You kept them at bay and each time they were coming back. You will not be enslaved only if you do the same what you did when you kept them in bay for 1000 years – the same what we are doing. These are historical facts and the facts of reality.
How more simple can it be? You will not be enslaved only if you have a will and act not to be enslaved, - you act in the opposite direction, when they still act in the same direction as they have been acting for 1000 years.
And now when we, instead of acting as you used to act in the same circumstances – you call such actions a permanent retardation? Thus when you acted in the same way as we do you were permanently retarded? No, you were not, they do not recover from permanent retardation, they just become permanently retarded, - Europeans

Its to absurd to think this way.. That we treat Russia with respect and do not blindly hate them like you people, do not mean we are hiding behind their backs or prostetuting ourselves to them and whatever else you think. It just means we conduct our foreign policies different than "hate/force/not hate/propaganda".

No it does not mean and that was not what I was meaning. Reread.

Russia is in war with terror, too; - so you can address all the tripe above to Putin as well. The only difference is that for now Russia has been week militarily and financially, but extremely intelligent, when we used to be strong and have became extremely stupid. But the resolve is very similar. You treat Putin with respect after him mass murdering Muslim terrorists in Chehnya? But you turn your criticism on us comparing us with Nazi when we approach terrorists in kids gloves and throw Billions Trillions on their infrastructure, while discussing whether we can afford our own?
It only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

 

[kaya'08]

No this is what history and present observation teach.

Teach what? That muslims will imprison us? This is something id expect to hear from a southener...oh dont tell me, you are one.

Yes, my experience helps me to understand Putin more than you think.

Sure.

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

No, he is trying to equate the fact that both powers believed at the time what they where doing was the right thing to do. America is fighting muslims not terrorists, because your scared they will "enslave you" and take over the world, the way Nazis viewed the Jews. So you went ahead and for no reason whatsoever decided to topple the sadam regime. America cant police the world, when will you understand that? Your ignorance preceeds you.

These are historical facts and the facts of reality.

So your using historical facts to predict the future? Despite this being the 21st century? You see....Americans believe all muslims are evil. For this reason they despise you, for this reason you should fear them and not us. Americas war on terror is false propaganda mixed with racism and paranoia. The EU is a cosmopolitan region. We have views and understandings of all cultures, but because Americans remain relatively ignorant to them, they fear enslavement by the all mighty muslims.
Your actually telling me that americans are scared that muslims will enslave you? Why? Incase you havent noticed they are killing each other. They are not interested in the US. But they do want you out of the ME.
I CANNOT BELIEVE your actually suggesting muslims would do that, as if there hell bent on it. Your ignorancy symbolizes american politics!

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

Not really... Whats different with the US crusade against Muslims now than NAZI Germany crusade against Jews back then? Except Muslims are many more than Jews were. You people are completely obsessed with Muslims, completely in fear after 911, unable to look at things rationally. You generalize about all Muslims like if all are the same extremists that did 911. Thats what I am talking about.. The root of Americans now have come to believe all Muslims are evil and want to take over the world and enslave everyone, this is a result of emotional and intellectual shock after 911.

Look through treads on DP, starting from Muslims rioting and finishing with them shutting of freedom of speech.

Thats just ridiculous. Most those threads use European riots to further their anti-Muslim agenda. Those riots are young Europeans, not Muslims. Young Europeans, majority of them white Christian Europeans who are fed up with governments and their own social situation.

Islamic terrorists exist and they do thing. You are totally absent in the real world, - when you cannot see their existence.

I know it exists, but Americans make it their only agenda, and think of nothing else. Its not even by far that important, actually compared to real global issues like poverty, famines, lack of clean water, and just 100 others, Islamic extremists terror just seem completely irrelevant to focus on as much as we do. And in any case those extremists we are talking about here is not ALL Muslims like Americans believe, its a tiny, tiny group of people, just like neo-cons are a tiny extremist group of extremely destructive and dangerous westerners, more so than extremist Islamic terrorists.

You kept them at bay and each time they were coming back. You will not be enslaved only if you do the same what you did when you kept them in bay for 1000 years – the same what we are doing. These are historical facts and the facts of reality.
How more simple can it be? You will not be enslaved only if you have a will and act not to be enslaved, - you act in the opposite direction, when they still act in the same direction as they have been acting for 1000 years.

There is no great threat at the moment, and if there ever will be a relevant threat we will deal with it. Even if all Muslims in Europe become hostile all of the sudden we have a pretty great record of exterminating groups of people here in Europe, and I have no doubt even if there was 100 million Muslims in Europe and they tried something, we would quickly exterminate them.
There is nothing to keep at bay at the moment, no hostile Muslim nations, and Iran if it can even be called hostile can easily be dealt with. They know as well as us if they try anything they will be nuked away, and somehow I think they do not want that.

 

[justone]

Teach what? That muslims will imprison us? This is something id expect to hear from a southener...oh dont tell me, you are one.

I am simple but I am not simplistic, I said what I said. learn history of actions of Muslims towards Europe. I am not to give you a lecture. I posted a short list within last 2 months, find it The facts are listed and speak for themselves. Add the present list of actions of Muslims, their goals and announcements.

No, he is trying to equate the fact that both powers believed at the time what they where doing was the right thing to do. America is fighting muslims not terrorists, because your scared they will "enslave you" and take over the world, the way Nazis viewed the Jews. So you went ahead and for no reason whatsoever decided to topple the sadam regime. America cant police the world, when will you understand that? Your ignorance preceeds you.

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you. Quote:

So your using historical facts to predict the future? Despite this being the 21st century?

What a surprise – to use historical facts to predict future? I use historical facts up the yesterday’s facts to predict future.

You see....Americans believe all muslims are evil.

We don’t. But we also are not nitpicking.

For this reason they despise you, for this reason you should fear them and not us.

It is not the reason at all you make it up. I have clearly stated reasons.

Americas war on terror is false propaganda mixed with racism and paranoia. The EU is a cosmopolitan region. We have views and understandings of all cultures,

Have you ever been to New York? Talking about Cosmopolitan region. Does your gov-nt send you papers in 2 languages?

but because Americans remain relatively ignorant to them, they fear enslavement by the all mighty muslims. Your actually telling me that americans are scared that muslims will enslave you? Why? I CANNOT BELIEVE your actually suggesting muslims would do that, as if there hell bent on it. Your ignorancy symbolizes american politics

You see … Europeans believe all Americans are evil. You are caught in your own over generalization. No, I don’t see vocal and acting against terrorism Muslim Muslims, one has to dig deeply to find ones. On other hand brain dead American are very vocal and active here, - you can here everywhere – ‘Paranoia. I just imagine Muslims on pneumatic and wooden boats with Kalashnikovs swimming over Atlantics to enslave us.” If it is funny for you to imagine them swimming over Mediterranean – can you imagine how funny it is for brain dead Americans? I have already told many times that America has problems and I fear collapse because brain dead Americans are having upper side here at the moment. As the matter of the fact such funny imagination was used by Democrats to get elected.

Incase you havent noticed they are killing each other.

Of course they are, - this is what they do –killing, you think you will see more mercy from Muslims than Muslims?

They are not interested in the US. But they do want you out of the ME.

Either they are interested or they are not…. They want us out of everywhere as step one. What is your point?

 

[justone]

Not really... Whats different with the US crusade against Muslims now than NAZI Germany crusade against Jews back then? Except Muslims are many more than Jews were. You people are completely obsessed with Muslims, completely in fear after 911, unable to look at things rationally. You generalize about all Muslims like if all are the same extremists that did 911. Thats what I am talking about.. The root of Americans now have come to believe all Muslims are evil and want to take over the world and enslave everyone, this is a result of emotional and intellectual shock after 911. .

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

Thats just ridiculous. Most those threads use European riots to further their anti-Muslim agenda. Those riots are young Europeans, not Muslims. Young Europeans, majority of them white Christian Europeans who are fed up with governments and their own social situation. .

The facts have been posted. You desert to lies. majority of them white Christian Europeans who protested against cartoon of mohamed but were ok with cartoons of JC. Where authors of books have to hide not to be killed by Muslim killers freely roaming streets and public places.

I know it exists, but Americans make it their only agenda, and think of nothing else. Its not even by far that important, actually compared to real global issues like poverty, famines, lack of clean water, and just 100 others, Islamic extremists terror just seem completely irrelevant to focus on as much as we do. And in any case those extremists we are talking about here is not ALL Muslims like Americans believe, its a tiny, tiny group of people, just like neo-cons are a tiny extremist group of extremely destructive and dangerous westerners, more so than extremist Islamic terrorists. .

Americans do not make it their only agenda thinking of nothing else, but it is one of priorities. Your misrepresentation of Muslim terrorists denies realities of the real world.

There is no great threat at the moment, and if there ever will be a relevant threat we will deal with it. .

So we deal with the treat according the military intelligence and the lack of thereof in the government.

Even if all Muslims in Europe become hostile all of the sudden .

all Muslims in Europe will not become hostile all of the sudden, things do not happen all over sudden they follow certain developments, a great part of the meaning of the war is that not to allow the development to happen.

we have a pretty great record of exterminating groups of people here in Europe, .

I don’t think you do, but it does not matter. Muslims in Europe are not a group of people here in Europe

and I have no doubt even if there was 100 million Muslims in Europe and they tried something, we would quickly exterminate them. .

If there was 100 million Muslims in Europe you would be a Muslim, too – or dead.

There is nothing to keep at bay at the moment, no hostile Muslim nations, and Iran if it can even be called hostile can easily be dealt with. They know as well as us if they try anything they will be nuked away, and somehow I think they do not want that. .

Muslim terrorist are not a hostile Muslim nation, GySgt has a full report about hostilities of Muslims, and other posters posted long lists. It is not like they ever plan to swim over Mediterranean or ‘’try anything.’’ Still with the connection to the topic you avoid addressing points made about Putin and terrorism. In your view he is also delusional?

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

When you equate terrorists with Jews in Germany and the Fight of the US against terrorists with Nazi’s extermination of Jews, it only proves that a reasonable dialog with you impossible due to total absence of morality, honor and logic in you.

Well, I am talking about the way you are going after all Muslims, that you mention all Muslims as bad and so fourth.. You say "Muslims in general" when you talk about a tiny group of extreme Muslims, who has even misunderstood their faith and are not actually Muslims.

The facts have been posted. You desert to lies. majority of them white Christian Europeans who protested against cartoon of mohamed but were ok with cartoons of JC. Where authors of books have to hide not to be killed by Muslim killers freely roaming streets and public places.

Thats one demonstration, doesn't prove anything. Especially considering most demonstrations in Europe are young white Christians.

Americans do not make it their only agenda thinking of nothing else, but it is one of priorities. Your misrepresentation of Muslim terrorists denies realities of the real world.

Its ALMOST your ONLY agenda in the US.. You let everything else collapse in your obsession against Muslims in general, and Muslim terrorists. You people live in constant mind gripping fear which is just unreal.. Anyone who is paranoid can start seeing a bunch of things that isn't true, you paranoid terrorist people are just delusional. Get you heads together and start focusing on more important issues, if you cant then the 911 terrorists have won.

In your view he is also delusional?

No, just crazy.. Tchetznya is complicated however.

 

[justone]

Well, I am talking about the way you are going after all Muslims, that you mention all Muslims as bad and so fourth.. You say "Muslims in general" when you talk about a tiny group of extreme Muslims, who has even misunderstood their faith and are not actually Muslims. .

I am not going after all Muslims, I don’t mention all Muslims as bad and so fourth.. I don’t say "Muslims in general"; and extreme Muslims a not tiny group. The fallacy that not all Muslim are terrorists is a straw man and oversimplification. Muslim terrorism is a big treat to my civilization; the details and complication of the phenomena do not consist of ‘’all Muslim are terrorists’’ or ‘’all Germans were Nazi’s. ‘’

Thats one demonstration, doesn't prove anything. Especially considering most demonstrations in Europe are young white Christians. .

White Christians
YouTube - Faces of Islam Nr.19 - Muslim girl attacks christians
Some Ares of Europe are occupied by Muslims and have already lost their freedom and order of European laws WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE OR INTENTION OF RESISTANCE. Muslims keep on spreading
YouTube - Muslim Riots in Malmö, Sweden (English)
YouTube - Faces of Islam Nr.34 - Islamic hate-rally on London Streets
YouTube - Muslim Rioting in the Capital of the European Union
YouTube - Out of time: Radical Islam Taking Over Europe & West
YouTube - Open Your Eyes, SWEDEN
YouTube - Islamification of Britain
YouTube - Radical Muslims In Britain Part 3/5

You see you are so blinded with your hatred and see only what you want see

Its ALMOST your ONLY agenda in the US.. You let everything else collapse in your obsession against Muslims in general, and Muslim terrorists. You people live in constant mind gripping fear which is just unreal.. Anyone who is paranoid can start seeing a bunch of things that isn't true, you paranoid terrorist people are just delusional. Get you heads together and start focusing on more important issues, if you cant then the 911 terrorists have won. .

Look, even on DP, the place were paranoid people of the US gather together it is not the ONLY agenda and hardly anyone of all paranoiacs is obsessed against Muslims in general. But anyone can notice that you put ‘’Muslims in general, and Muslim terrorists’’ in one sentence equating them.

No, just crazy.. Tchetznya is complicated however. .

So, Putin is not delusional, but just crazy and it does not bother you to respect him and rally for alliance and partnership with him. When Americans express the same exactly attitude towards Muslim terrorists they are delusional and should go away?
You really are piece of work

Chechnya is complicated, but Iraq is so simple. I guess is it is your justification of madness of Putin mass murdering terrorists while you accuse us with all crimes when we approach terrorists in kids gloves and spend Billions on their infrastructure.

You really are piece of work, boring.

 

[kaya'08]

Wow, Justone. You just stooped to an all time low retard. Posting videos about Muslims doing bad things. Is that what they teach you in America? Seems propaganda is still at work in the media.

Correct me if i am mistaken, was it not the christians to destabilize the ME, start WW1, start WW2, create Nucleur bombs, use nucleur bombs (japan '45), commit genocide against jews, attempted to invade all of the world, and then you have the african christians, Rwanda genocide, Mungabe in Zimbabwe, Russia and the Chechens. Christians are crazy arse mofo's and without a single godamned doubt in my mind up there with there muslim counterparts.

So i can formally come to the unbiased conclusion that your all as bad as each other. Only difference is, the Americans stand out. Ever since the gulf wars this sort of fear and paranoia against Muslims has thrived in the American mind. They believe there all savage beasts hell bent on inforcing islam and enslaving the west. umm, WRONG. And your a prime example of this mental, racist, ignorant, false attitude many Americans possess. Thank god Europe is cosmopolitan, id hate to see the Euro's running about convinced they will try and convert us. We share boarders with muslim nations, what about you guys? Canadians to the north and more catholics to your south. EUROPE is in reality, you guys are isolated to the real world. You think the free world starts in christian states, and ends in christian states.

 

[justone]

Wow, Justone. You just stooped to an all time low retard. Posting videos about Muslims doing bad things. Is that what they teach you in America? Seems propaganda is still at work in the media..

Since you cannot post a video that those bad things are done by White Christian youth and Muslims do not do those bad things as you state, I have no choice rather than to step down to your level. I accept my mistake, I have over estimated your level of apprehension.

Correct me if i am mistaken, was it not the christians to destabilize the ME, start WW1, start WW2, create Nucleur bombs, use nucleur bombs (japan '45), commit genocide against jews, attempted to invade all of the world, and then you have the african christians, Rwanda genocide, Mungabe in Zimbabwe, Russia and the Chechens. Christians are crazy arse mofo's and without a single godamned doubt in my mind up there with there muslim counterparts..

You are beyond the range where you could be corrected. Only my MS word shows 11 misspellings in 6 lines. It is far less than the amount of logical fallacies you have made in 6 lines, starting from the red herring fallacy.

You are beyond repair.

So i can formally come to the unbiased conclusion that your all as bad as each other. Only difference is, the Americans stand out. Ever since the gulf wars this sort of fear and paranoia against Muslims has thrived in the American mind. They believe there all savage beasts hell bent on inforcing islam and enslaving the west. umm, WRONG. And your a prime example of this mental, racist, ignorant, false attitude many Americans possess. Thank god Europe is cosmopolitan, id hate to see the Euro's running about convinced they will try and convert us. We share boarders with muslim nations, what about you guys? Canadians to the north and more catholics to your south. EUROPE is in reality, you guys are isolated to the real world. You think the free world starts in christian states, and ends in christian states..

Yes you can make this conclusion ignoring my points and words and boiling yourself in your logical fallacies and factual lies (lies is scratched, - I am sorry - read misrepresentations not lies - what a long word to type). We, Americans like when you do it. Show us a chance to have a good fun and we go for it, - any time.

But again your bolded part is inaccurate as my friend CC says or it is a lie if I could be allowed by CC to express my opinion - I am not as bad as others, - I am the worst, if you don't believe me, ask CC he has been around.

 

[kaya'08]

Since you cannot post a video that those bad things are done by White Christian youth and Muslims do not do those bad things as you state, I have no choice rather than to step down to your level. I accept my mistake, I have over estimated your level of apprehension.

I also stated there as bad as christians and christians are as bad as them therefore inciting that yes, muslims also do those things. Read. And who said anything about white christians?
Wait, your not actually inciting i have to show you a video of Christians doing wrong to change your opinion do i. :rofl
What state are you from?

You are beyond the range where you could be corrected. Only my MS word shows 11 misspellings in 6 lines. It is far less than the amount of logical fallacies you have made in 6 lines, starting from the red herring fallacy.

You are beyond repair.

Good way of avoiding the facts stated. I didnt realize this was Debate English Literature. Ill take that into account next time. You remind me of Bush on a not so sober day.

Yes you can make this conclusion ignoring my points and words and boiling yourself in your logical fallacies and factual lies (lies is scratched, - I am sorry - read misrepresentations not lies - what a long word to type). We, Americans like when you do it. Show us a chance to have a good fun and we go for it, - any time.

We collapse – you go, you will be slaves of Islam long before us.

Enough said. It strikes me how you have the nerve to question my logic. Ive seriously started to question your intelligence.

But again your bolded part is inaccurate as my friend CC says or it is a lie if I could be allowed by CC to express my opinion - I am not as bad as others, - I am the worst, if you don't believe me, ask CC he has been around.

So your saying Muslims are worse than Christians? And not as bad as each other? Your views are not only incorrect and sadistic, but there largerly biased.
We may have established a better society then they have, but bear in mind that the white christians only dragged there arses out of the dark ages recently in comparison to our muslim counterparts who spent centuries thriving, so dont go around with the average american mindset of "only the west are capable of a truly advanced democratic nation, those muslims are clueless beasts out to enslave all those that do not commit to them", and bear in mind despite how much more stable western society is currently, at least there society isnt fake like Western culture. Just switch it over to "E News!" or open your average Pap magazine. That American/Californian attitude has split over into Europe and is quickly being adapted here and dominates our daily lives. At least Muslims can say, "hey, we've kept our moral values". What about us?

 

[kaya'08]

We collapse – you go, you will be slaves of Islam long before us.

On the contrary, Europeans have each other. Who do you guys have? Latin America? Pfft please, they'd be glad to see the end of you. Canada? Ha. Dalai Lama looks like a mighty warlord next to the good ol' Canadian folk. If you truly think America could survive without the wits or power of the binded European economy, then why hasnt uncle sam told us to piss off already? Because America wouldnt survive without our markets, thats why. Dont allow pan-Americanism to blind you.
Probably the only piece of thread that holds Americans back from trying to destroy all of the muslims outside of Europes boarders is the Saudi's oil. I was pretty worried when i heard Obama stressing the need for the US to end its dependancy.

 

[scourge99]

and bear in mind despite how much more stable western society is currently, at least there society isnt fake like Western culture. Just switch it over to "E News!" or open your average Pap magazine. That American/Californian attitude has split over into Europe and is quickly being adapted here. At least Muslims can say, "hey, we've kept our moral values". What about us?

fake culture? Sounds like you just don't like the culture. That doesn't mean its fake or any better or worse than any other.

And even better, you go on a rant about "moral values". :2rofll:
I doubt you comprehend the subjectivity of morals.

Care to elaborate on such provocative claims? Or is this just more opinion given without proof, support, or any form of substantation that you attempt to pass off as fact?

 

[kaya'08]

The media, the vanity, the diets, the need to alter ones physical looks as the only means of being happy. A bit of the stated doesnt hurt. But we're just plain arse drowning ourselves in doses of it. Im sure you do agree with the culture. Those new breasts look amazing on you by the way scourge

Do you not know what moral values are?
I didnt think you where that type of person to be honest.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

I am not going after all Muslims, I don’t mention all Muslims as bad and so fourth.. I don’t say "Muslims in general"; and extreme Muslims a not tiny group. The fallacy that not all Muslim are terrorists is a straw man and oversimplification. Muslim terrorism is a big treat to my civilization; the details and complication of the phenomena do not consist of ‘’all Muslim are terrorists’’ or ‘’all Germans were Nazi’s. ‘’

Perhaps Muslims are a big threat to your civilization because you forget to focus on other things in your blind fear and hatred of Muslims.. Ever though of that?

White Christians
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZXTZRAgik0&feature=related]YouTube - Faces of Islam Nr.19 - Muslim girl attacks christians[/url]
Some Ares of Europe are occupied by Muslims and have already lost their freedom and order of European laws WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE OR INTENTION OF RESISTANCE. Muslims keep on spreading
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLECtFT4aU]YouTube - Muslim Riots in Malmö, Sweden (English)[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3E8jo0M_I&feature=related]YouTube - Faces of Islam Nr.34 - Islamic hate-rally on London Streets[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHK-Rc5HvpY]YouTube - Muslim Rioting in the Capital of the European Union[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&feature=related]YouTube - Out of time: Radical Islam Taking Over Europe & West[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6VI_bc1j4&feature=related]YouTube - Open Your Eyes, SWEDEN[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qmFEujEtk&feature=related]YouTube - Islamification of Britain[/url]
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osk8l9F188w]YouTube - Radical Muslims In Britain Part 3/5[/url]

Yeah, and I can also post a video montage to prove the US government are NAZIs and was behind 911. Doesnt prove anything, except that the internet is a perfect place to spread hate and propaganda.
Also selective reporting like you are doing doesnt really cover it with me, that "Swedish reportage" was of course in reality a Fox News reportage undercover. If you think Muslims are taking over the west because of a few demonstrations then you better think again about where your stand on reality ought to be. If you think students are taking over Europe because they are much more visible in far more demonstrations than your selection of Muslim protests, then you are also wrong.. Our generation doesnt have a chance yet to overpower the old generations, and afterall there are tens of millions of students in Europe, far more than Muslims.

You see you are so blinded with your hatred and see only what you want see

:lol:
I dont hate, you are the one who hate Muslims. I generally do not hate anyone or anything. I do dislike the whole anti-Muslim craziness in the US though.. They are creating an agenda out of propaganda, but beware.. You will not win your war.. NAZI Germany lost, so will you, even if your propaganda and war is more complex than NAZI Germany was.

Look, even on DP, the place were paranoid people of the US gather together it is not the ONLY agenda and hardly anyone of all paranoiacs is obsessed against Muslims in general. But anyone can notice that you put ‘’Muslims in general, and Muslim terrorists’’ in one sentence equating them.

Most people on this forum talk in general about Muslims and how they all are evil and want to take over the world and such.. Blah blah. So uninteresting.. Ever though that this could be the US propaganda to wage global war? Nazi Germany was good at using propaganda, and if one have learned from history and looks back at NAZI Germany, then the US at the moment is doing the exact same thing, just version 2.

So, Putin is not delusional, but just crazy and it does not bother you to respect him and rally for alliance and partnership with him. When Americans express the same exactly attitude towards Muslim terrorists they are delusional and should go away?
You really are piece of work

Yes, the US is delusional because they let their country go to hell in their blind fight against a ghost, a figment of their own imagination, against nothing. Russia is not doing that.

Chechnya is complicated, but Iraq is so simple. I guess is it is your justification of madness of Putin mass murdering terrorists while you accuse us with all crimes when we approach terrorists in kids gloves and spend Billions on their infrastructure.

You really are piece of work, boring.

Iraq is just dumb. You think people have short memories, they do not! You think people cannot see the reality even if you glorify things in your propaganda like media? Well, they can. Iraq is a failure, a symbol of US decline and will always stand in the future as a symbol of why the US declined.