Why don't you move to Europe?

[coldjoint]

Excellent Mr Coldjoint, you have established your credentials as a backwoods xenophobe and provincial. I don't think you have to present any more proof.

Provincial? Is that a word out of the monarchical past? The other word, xenophobe, didn't come about until the 20th century. It is another word used to stifle debate and demean the person ,or people, who disagree with you. It attaches a stigma. So far it is working, just not on me.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

And yet some others still like to say this country was built by Europeans and are proud of their Anglo-Saxon Heritage.

I think most Americans understand this country was built, in various ways at various times, by Americans of many different ancestries. I also don't believe many state it as you inaccurately do. Americans, many at the beginning and throughout much of our history, were indeed of European descent. But they were Americans first and foremost.

Yeah, so?

And what is not to be proud of in their Anglo-Saxon Heritage? Or French, or Italian or Dutch or Vietnamese or Korean or Jamaican or Dominican or Colombian or Brazilian or whichever? Am I missing something here?

We should not be modeled after anyone other than what is within our Constitution and Bill of Rights set forth by the Founders.

I am just pointing out a fact that some that seem to dislike Europe so much are at the same time claiming privilege based on their European ancestry. Has America been the perfect example, nope, and that means we do not have it all figured out and have plenty of room for improvement.

Who are these folk, these some you speak of, besides the very tiniest of fringe groups, that are claiming privilege? I think most of white society has been reticent until very recently, after years of intimidation by the left, to even voice an opinion, much less claim a privilege based on their Heritage or skin color.

Help me see the light [skinned folks doing this in any numbers ] please.

 

[Casper]

I think most Americans understand this country was built, in various ways at various times, by Americans of many different ancestries. I also don't believe many state it as you inaccurately do. Americans, many at the beginning and throughout much of our history, were indeed of European descent. But they were Americans first and foremost.

Yeah, so?

And what is not to be proud of in their Anglo-Saxon Heritage? Or French, or Italian or Dutch or Vietnamese or Korean or Jamaican or Dominican or Colombian or Brazilian or whichever? Am I missing something here?

Who are these folk, these some you speak of, besides the very tiniest of fringe groups, that are claiming privilege? I think most of white society has been reticent until very recently, after years of intimidation by the left, to even voice an opinion, much less claim a privilege based on their Heritage or skin color.

Help me see the light [skinned folks doing this in any numbers ] please.

Some usually equates to a small number.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Some usually equates to a small number.

So you readily admit your attempted slam is a bogus claim, that the numbers are insignificant, certainly not at all representative of anything in particular and much less an indictment of real sentiment expressed in any significant number on the right.

Ok, good, now we are getting somewhere.

Plus...

You forgot to tell us why its seemingly bad to be proud of one's heritage... if its Anglo Saxon. And, I will add that I think the period of it being in vogue to criticize our founders as being a bunch of "old dead white guys" has maybe hit its hypocritical end.

Hopefully we will enter a more enlightened age where we do not simply bash, malign and deprecate based on one's age, current status, race/ethnicity and/or gender, but on the quality of character, achievement and proper due to those some who started this experiment correctly and that another some, a tone deaf and utterly wrong some, have taken way off its natural course into areas never contemplated and that would horrify the original some.

So, I think we have cleared that up, eh?

 

[Casper]

So you readily admit your attempted slam is a bogus claim, that the numbers are insignificant, certainly not at all representative of anything in particular and much less an indictment of real sentiment expressed in any significant number on the right.

Ok, good, now we are getting somewhere.

Plus...

You forgot to tell us why its seemingly bad to be proud of one's heritage... if its Anglo Saxon. And, I will add that I think the period of it being in vogue to criticize our founders as being a bunch of "old dead white guys" has maybe hit its hypocritical end.

Hopefully we will enter a more enlightened age where we do not simply bash, malign and deprecate based on one's age, current status, race/ethnicity and/or gender, but on the quality of character, achievement and proper due to those some who started this experiment correctly and that another some, a tone deaf and utterly wrong some, have taken way off its natural course into areas never contemplated and that would horrify the original some.

So, I think we have cleared that up, eh?

I am sure you believe the nonsense you posted, maybe this will clear it up for ya, or not?
You seem a little touchy on the subject, since I never said it was bad to be proud of who you are, that is why you cannot deal with me using the word "some" and see things I never posted.
Now back to your rant................

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I am sure you believe the nonsense you posted, maybe this will clear it up for ya, or not?
You seem a little touchy on the subject, since I never said it was bad to be proud of who you are, that is why you cannot deal with me using the word "some" and see things I never posted.
Now back to your rant................

Yeah, I am touchy, sick to death about just plain out and out BS being considered worthy of thought then promoted to worthy of discussion. Damn straight.

And so, just exactly what were you implying with this lame statement:

And yet some others still like to say this country was built by Europeans and are proud of their Anglo-Saxon Heritage.

What is an intelligent person supposed to take away from that, that you were actually saying good things? Sorry, libs may legitimately act naive or as though they were born yesterday, conservatives do not.

 

[Casper]

Yeah, I am touchy, sick to death about just plain out and out BS being considered worthy of thought then promoted to worthy of discussion. Damn straight.

And so, just exactly what were you implying with this lame statement:




What is an intelligent person supposed to take away from that, that you were actually saying good things? Sorry, libs may legitimately act naive or as though they were born yesterday, conservatives do not.

That some Americans are proud of their European Heritage and at the same time think Europeans are wrong on nearly everything, any intelligent person would have understood what I said. Yet, you do not seem to. Color me Shocked

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

That some Americans are proud of their European Heritage and at the same time think Europeans are wrong on nearly everything, any intelligent person would have understood what I said. Yet, you do not seem to. Color me Shocked

First of all, the totality of Americans of European descent are not of Anglo Saxon Heritage, so give one a break, por favor. Secondly, we are Americans and we broke from those European traditions and explicitly created something hybrid here.

Sorry to inform, but completely different and not even close to what was going on in Europe....in fact they have come far more in our direction since.

Your slights, or attempted slights, hurt me none. They are your way of coping, I understand that.

 

[Ganesh]

Try telling that to an Islamist that. I suggest you do it from a car moving in any direction away from him. It does not matter what you think about religion it is what they(Islamists) think.

I have never said all Muslims are terrorists. Please do not perpetuate a lie.

I have had that discussion with adherents to Islam, and it was very civilized, although I don't think I changed any minds. You fear what you do not know Mr C, a basic human reaction, but one many are able to rise above.

Your claim was that Islam is a savage and violent religion, and subscribers to it are a threat. Now you are backpeddling. What proportion of Americans belong to the KKK, or the American Nazi Party? How many in N Ireland support the IRA? Which ideological groups in the US have actually killed the most people?

 

[Ganesh]

Provincial? Is that a word out of the monarchical past? The other word, xenophobe, didn't come about until the 20th century. It is another word used to stifle debate and demean the person ,or people, who disagree with you. It attaches a stigma. So far it is working, just not on me.

Smirking, adolescent, school boy jokes about ethnic groups, stereotyping hundreds of millions of people based on religion, raging fear or expressed disdain for the many entities outside your narrow borders.......what words would you choose?

 

[Ganesh]

I have done job searches here in the USA. One can't find a better deal anywhere. Anyone in the US that is "financially gutted" by medical costs doesn't understand basic asset protection laws. You pay medical bills when you can afford to or wait for the statute of limitations to kick in and pay nothing, whichever comes first.

So your approach to a workable and egalitarian national medical system is what, bankruptcy? Great.

The US tends to have lower unemployment rates mainly because of a higher number of low quality jobs. Less social supports, and more sub-livable wages means more employed, but a less desirable society. Higher benefits in Europe tend to edge out some low value jobs, and push the economy towards higher value output. Europe has higher taxes, but also a more equal and egalitarian society. The US has lower taxes, and great inequality and financial instability.

 

[coldjoint]

I have had that discussion with adherents to Islam, and it was very civilized, although I don't think I changed any minds. You fear what you do not know Mr C, a basic human reaction, but one many are able to rise above.

Your claim was that Islam is a savage and violent religion, and subscribers to it are a threat. Now you are backpeddling. What proportion of Americans belong to the KKK, or the American Nazi Party? How many in N Ireland support the IRA? Which ideological groups in the US have actually killed the most people?

There is no backpeddling. The Muslims that are a threat( not all) receive their inspiration from the religion and the way it is taught. Muhammads way is Islam. That you do not want to admit the truth about the root problem, Islam, only enables further progress toward its goal.

 

[coldjoint]

Smirking, adolescent, school boy jokes about ethnic groups, stereotyping hundreds of millions of people based on religion, raging fear or expressed disdain for the many entities outside your narrow borders.......what words would you choose?

It must be nice to be above all human frailty. I will set up a shrine to you when I get the chance.

 

[SDET]

So your approach to a workable and egalitarian national medical system is what, bankruptcy? Great.

The US tends to have lower unemployment rates mainly because of a higher number of low quality jobs. Less social supports, and more sub-livable wages means more employed, but a less desirable society. Higher benefits in Europe tend to edge out some low value jobs, and push the economy towards higher value output. Europe has higher taxes, but also a more equal and egalitarian society. The US has lower taxes, and great inequality and financial instability.

Bankruptcy is for people who didn't think to protect their assets beforehand. There are many attachment-proof assets such as wages in some states, homestead exemptions for your home, retirement plans and many more.

European wages, especially for Information Technology are much lower than USA wages. And you can't find a USD 75,000 good single family home, fifty cents per liter motor fuel, USD 35K luxury vehicles, etc., etc., etc. in Europe.

 

[Ganesh]

There is no backpeddling. The Muslims that are a threat( not all) receive their inspiration from the religion and the way it is taught. Muhammads way is Islam. That you do not want to admit the truth about the root problem, Islam, only enables further progress toward its goal.

So Islam was a threat, but now you think "not all" is a threat. You are correct in that out of 1.6 billion followers of the religion, a very, very tiny minority have twisted it to meet their sociopathic urges and personal angst. A slightly larger group harbours backward, tribal notions that again satisfy their fears and lack of worldliness, and a vastly larger group simply follows what family, friends, and community does without too much deep thought. Any of this sound familiar? It should, because there are similar spectrum's of behavior in other religions and indeed in various large groups of people. Islam has a little larger share of crazies today because of the chaos and dysfunction in mostly Arab Muslim regions.

 

[Ganesh]

It must be nice to be above all human frailty. I will set up a shrine to you when I get the chance.

Thank you. I will mail a photo and some suggestions on decorative arrangements.

 

[coldjoint]

So Islam was a threat, but now you think "not all" is a threat. You are correct in that out of 1.6 billion followers of the religion, a very, very tiny minority have twisted it to meet their sociopathic urges and personal angst. A slightly larger group harbours backward, tribal notions that again satisfy their fears and lack of worldliness, and a vastly larger group simply follows what family, friends, and community does without too much deep thought. Any of this sound familiar? It should, because there are similar spectrum's of behavior in other religions and indeed in various large groups of people. Islam has a little larger share of crazies today because of the chaos and dysfunction in mostly Arab Muslim regions.

Islam is not twisted by sociopaths. That is what Muhammad wanted. And it is not a very very tiny thing.

And who is causing that chaos?

 

[coldjoint]

Thank you. I will mail a photo and some suggestions on decorative arrangements.

I'll get the bathroom ready.

 

[zyzygy]

A political synopsis from an observer who doesn't even grasp the history of his own country. Hmmmm.

So the generation of a liberal, egalitarian society that includes a social safety net, freedom from rampaging gun violence, and environmentally sustainable policy is "cultural suicide"? I think you have not only skipped your history class, you have missed out on that vacation to Europe.

Yes, not a few of the posters here know nothing about life in Europe. They seem to think that Europe is one country.

 

[zyzygy]

I have had that discussion with adherents to Islam, and it was very civilized, although I don't think I changed any minds. You fear what you do not know Mr C, a basic human reaction, but one many are able to rise above.

Your claim was that Islam is a savage and violent religion, and subscribers to it are a threat. Now you are backpeddling. What proportion of Americans belong to the KKK, or the American Nazi Party? How many in N Ireland support the IRA? Which ideological groups in the US have actually killed the most people?

Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

 

[Ganesh]

Bankruptcy is for people who didn't think to protect their assets beforehand. There are many attachment-proof assets such as wages in some states, homestead exemptions for your home, retirement plans and many more.

European wages, especially for Information Technology are much lower than USA wages. And you can't find a USD 75,000 good single family home, fifty cents per liter motor fuel, USD 35K luxury vehicles, etc., etc., etc. in Europe.

Yes, I think I know the place you mean. The old trailer park at Catfish Corners, down by the swamp. The place where the sheriff's deputies and their rottweiler dogs break up fights on Saturday night. You just might squeeze in there for 75K. Multiply again if you want a real home in a reasonable neighbourhood. Multiply again if you want to live in a larger city were there are good jobs. And hit the X button again if you are interested in prime real estate in one of the major cities.

But you're correct, you can cruise around on the freeways in your SUV and cheap gas, burning up the environment, raging at the millions of others on the roads, and stopping at the strip mall for a big slurppy, while you contemplate paying your $800/month medical premium, what you might lose in a bankruptcy, and how you might pay for your kids university education. And if you are lucky, no one will take a shot at you.

So what do you consider quality of life? A fancy car with lots of chrome? A fast transit to work through blighted neighbourhoods you don't have to look at? Many Americans are mad at the way the country has been going, which is fairly obvious from the last election. You may be doing well, but a vast segment of the population struggles at nothing jobs in the service industry, often working two or three to make ends meet. This is where Europe and the US differ. There is more of a sense of community in the former, and more of a sense of grab what you can for yourself in the latter.

 

[zyzygy]

10 Things Europe Does Way Better Than America | Alternet

 

[coldjoint]

10 Things Europe Does Way Better Than America | Alternet

You mean besides cultural suicide?

 

[Ganesh]

Islam is not twisted by sociopaths. That is what Muhammad wanted. And it is not a very very tiny thing.

And who is causing that chaos?

If someone set off a bomb and killed dozens of gay people, and claimed he did it because of the teachings of the bible (it's in there), would you assume a sociopath twisting the Christian religion, or merely a Christian carrying out God's will?

The chaos in the Middle East has multiple roots, including the skewing of economies and societies by oil wealth, the interference of various powers to assure themselves of continued oil supplies, the lack of other natural resources, lack of a history of democratic and civil societies, lack of education and women's rights, and ongoing control by strongmen and autocratic rulers.

Religious extremism is really more of a consequence of all these problems than their cause. If one goes back a few decades, religion was not nearly the issue it is today. It is the lack of democratic institutions, and methods of legitimate descent that have pushed many to the only other remaining structure available to them, religion.

There are similar examples in history, where those in intolerable circumstances retreat into whatever sense of community and pleasant fantasies that are available.

 

[Jack Hays]

I often hear Liberals talk about how great things are in Europe. The people are nicer, crime rates are lower, etc...have you ever considered moving there? I would say I'm Conservative/Libertarian leaning and I don't recall anyone from my political lean talking about a part of the world that's doing so much better than the U.S., but if there was such a place, I certainly would consider moving.

Paris. Always.