Why don't Trump supporters just admit it?

[Gaugingcatenate]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021

BTW; tRump told more lies in his first 8 months than "slenderman" did in 8 years. And, HRC and BHO are retired; you seem not to have noticed.

Come back in 6 years and we ll talk.

Did you not read the lefty's post?

"No other politician would still be in office if they lied like Trump is lying. Trump's supporters have shown they love him more than they care about integrity or honesty. Atleast 40% of Americans simply don't care about the truth. That's very very dangerous. You just can't rationalize acceptance for government dishonesty.

Democracy cannot work if citizens accept their government lying to them."

Show me where you and your team advocated booting slenderman for his blatant outrageous lies...yano?

Btw, get some credible sources in the future, actual lies put out about assumed to be lies in the future... just dont cut it.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Come back in 6 years and we ll talk.

Did you not read the lefty's post?

"No other politician would still be in office if they lied like Trump is lying. Trump's supporters have shown they love him more than they care about integrity or honesty. Atleast 40% of Americans simply don't care about the truth. That's very very dangerous. You just can't rationalize acceptance for government dishonesty.

Democracy cannot work if citizens accept their government lying to them."

Show me where you and your team advocated booting slenderman for his blatant outrageous lies...yano?

Btw, get some credible sources in the future, actual lies put out about assumed to be lies in the future... just dont cut it.

Nope, just read your challenge, which I met. I think Politico is generally accepted as a reliable source. And still, President Obama never lied anything like djt. <-period

I'm sure when President Obama was in office you yelled to high heaven, every chance you got, about what an awful President he was. Now that the shoes on the other foot you just can't take it. :2rofll:

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Name one so called lie by Trump that had the impact of any one of the following: 1. You can keep your doctor 2.you can keep your plan 3. Average family healthcare premiums will go down by $2500 4. The attack on Benghzi was spontandous, ignited by a video

Put up or SHUT THE **** UP already. You werent for booting slenderman for all his massive lies, so shut thy hypocritical trap...we ve heard y'alls false equivalencies (Trump doesnt even have anything 1/4 equivalent) too much and its just time to STOP.

Yano?

#1 is not a lie.

#2 is not lie.

#3 is not a lie.

#4 is Hillary

A broken campaign promise is not a lie. I don't count Trump's promise to not play golf as a lie or his promise to give us something better than Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act was not written yet when Obama was campaigning. It still had to be negotiated. And even then, it was still true because you were allowed to keep your insurance. The fact that the Health Insurance companies canceled those policies doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare you were allowed to keep your old plans.

Campaign promises are not lies.

Trump claiming that the CEO of U.S. Steel called him and told him they were opening six new plants is a total fabrication.
Trump claiming that he did help his son craft the dishonest letter is a lie.
Trump claiming he didn't have an affair with the porn star is a lie.
Trump claiming he knew nothing about the payments is a lie.

I'm talking about factual provable lies. Not campaign promises.

The fact that you can't find a single clearly intentional lie from Obama after 8 years says everything.

Yet even if Obama were a liar that would not make Trump's lies any less dishonest. Your argument is both a false equivalence fallacy and completely irrelevant.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Nope, just read your challenge, which I met. I think Politico is generally accepted as a reliable source. And still, President Obama never lied anything like djt. <-period

I'm sure when President Obama was in office you yelled to high heaven, every chance you got, about what an awful President he was. Now that the shoes on the other foot you just can't take it. :2rofll:

Sorry, as good as he obviously is and has been, Trump couldnt fix all the slenderman created messes on inauguration day.

We have whats known as a repjublic, you see. He is not a monarch...if he were hed have snapped his fingers and all would be done. He has an enemy of the people, the fake news media, that does not take any time to chronicle, much less trumpet, all he has accomplished. An opposing party that will go off the deep end in EVERY case just to oppose whatever position he takes (DACA, Russia, border security, ICE, capitalism) to spite their faces... and traitorous RINOs who run to get elected on specific things ( like fixing healthcare) then subvert the will of their constituencies, Trump and the American people by going back on their promises.

It ll get done, he has the driving force to do so...so its not a lie, like an out-of-office slendermans lies are proven to be. Nope, not until he is no longer president. He set no specific inflexible timetable.

Slenderman WAS an extremely poor, uninspiring to the point of subversive and undermining, constantly divisive anti constitutional antiAmerican president the likes we havent seen since Wilson. I dont mind your side logically opposing, complaining, it expected ... if your side just wouldnt lie and oppose to solely oppose when we can all see he is doing great things despite them, despite the fake news, the RINOs and the deep state subverters.

And NO, politico is NOT generally accepted as a credible or reliable (maybe re- LIE -able) source. Trump has exposed all that, the fact checkers spin to help their own... they arent even very good at it generally.

Cant take it? WONT take it is the proper word choice.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

#1 is not a lie.

#2 is not lie.

#3 is not a lie.

#4 is Hillary

A broken campaign promise is not a lie. I don't count Trump's promise to not play golf as a lie or his promise to give us something better than Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act was not written yet when Obama was campaigning. It still had to be negotiated. And even then, it was still true because you were allowed to keep your insurance. The fact that the Health Insurance companies canceled those policies doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare you were allowed to keep your old plans.

Campaign promises are not lies.

Trump claiming that the CEO of U.S. Steel called him and told him they were opening six new plants is a total fabrication.
Trump claiming that he did help his son craft the dishonest letter is a lie.
Trump claiming he didn't have an affair with the porn star is a lie.
Trump claiming he knew nothing about the payments is a lie.

I'm talking about factual provable lies. Not campaign promises.

The fact that you can't find a single clearly intentional lie from Obama after 8 years says everything.

Yet even if Obama were a liar that would not make Trump's lies any less dishonest. Your argument is both a false equivalence fallacy and completely irrelevant.

Wow, youve really been snowed. Bet you thought the fat lady would win ...to the point that she DID actually win, eh?
:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[blueline]

#1 is not a lie.

#2 is not lie.

#3 is not a lie.

#4 is Hillary

A broken campaign promise is not a lie. I don't count Trump's promise to not play golf as a lie or his promise to give us something better than Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act was not written yet when Obama was campaigning. It still had to be negotiated. And even then, it was still true because you were allowed to keep your insurance. The fact that the Health Insurance companies canceled those policies doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare you were allowed to keep your old plans.

Campaign promises are not lies.

Trump claiming that the CEO of U.S. Steel called him and told him they were opening six new plants is a total fabrication.
Trump claiming that he did help his son craft the dishonest letter is a lie.
Trump claiming he didn't have an affair with the porn star is a lie.
Trump claiming he knew nothing about the payments is a lie.

I'm talking about factual provable lies. Not campaign promises.

The fact that you can't find a single clearly intentional lie from Obama after 8 years says everything.

Yet even if Obama were a liar that would not make Trump's lies any less dishonest. Your argument is both a false equivalence fallacy and completely irrelevant.

If any of you Libs deal with New Yorkers you get the way they talk. They exaggerate, they stretch the truth, they out boast the competition. It's a New York "macho" thing. Most of us on the right have learned that we don't care any more. The left has brought this on themselves. Conservatives tried to play by the rules while we watched the left lie, move the goal posts, change the rules and cheat while the right tried to elect people with honesty and trustworthiness. Unfortunately, our candidates would fold at the first conflict and forget about fighting for the values we elected them for. Now we changed the rules on YOU! WE DON'T CARE ANY MORE! As far as I am concerned it could be Bozo the clown (some of you will like that comparison) in office as long as he follows the agenda he laid out in his campaign. We on the right got killed playing by the rules. We are done with it. Tump is a Bully but he is our bully fighting back for our beliefs. The stubborn left can't figure out that they used to tear our candidates up because of some stupid issue that happened 20 years ago. Rule Change! WE DON"T CARE ANY MORE! We are fighting back now and rules be damned. Tump just has to stick with the agenda and we'll be behind him. I hope you understand so you can stop the dribble that flows from your mouth daily. It is fact that since the new rules are in place, the left can't handle it and that results in TDS. Good luck, see ya in 6 years! Bozo for Pres!

 

[washunut]

If any of you Libs deal with New Yorkers you get the way they talk. They exaggerate, they stretch the truth, they out boast the competition. It's a New York "macho" thing. Most of us on the right have learned that we don't care any more. The left has brought this on themselves. Conservatives tried to play by the rules while we watched the left lie, move the goal posts, change the rules and cheat while the right tried to elect people with honesty and trustworthiness. Unfortunately, our candidates would fold at the first conflict and forget about fighting for the values we elected them for. Now we changed the rules on YOU! WE DON'T CARE ANY MORE! As far as I am concerned it could be Bozo the clown (some of you will like that comparison) in office as long as he follows the agenda he laid out in his campaign. We on the right got killed playing by the rules. We are done with it. Tump is a Bully but he is our bully fighting back for our beliefs. The stubborn left can't figure out that they used to tear our candidates up because of some stupid issue that happened 20 years ago. Rule Change! WE DON"T CARE ANY MORE! We are fighting back now and rules be damned. Tump just has to stick with the agenda and we'll be behind him. I hope you understand so you can stop the dribble that flows from your mouth daily. It is fact that since the new rules are in place, the left can't handle it and that results in TDS. Good luck, see ya in 6 years! Bozo for Pres!

Being someone who grew up in NYC I totally get what you are saying in the first sentence. Phrases like "I will kill that guy" or "she is the smartest person on earth" is sort of how we speak. Knuckleheads on CNN and the Washington Post then came him a liar or a nut.

That being said he is over the top with attacking the media daily as an example. He should have learned long ago the Mark Twain (I think) saying: Don't get into a fight with someone who buys ink by the carload.

 

[blueline]

Being someone who grew up in NYC I totally get what you are saying in the first sentence. Phrases like "I will kill that guy" or "she is the smartest person on earth" is sort of how we speak. Knuckleheads on CNN and the Washington Post then came him a liar or a nut.

That being said he is over the top with attacking the media daily as an example. He should have learned long ago the Mark Twain (I think) saying: Don't get into a fight with someone who buys ink by the carload.

I stopped listening to Trump and just judge him on what he does. It's a lot easier that way.

His attacks on the media are sometimes hard to watch but I applaud him for it. Again, you have to take the hyperbole out of it but the press is long overdue for a correction. We (conservatives) hired a Velociraptor to fight our battles. Having done that we need to realize that Velociraptors are hard to control and there will be some innocent casualties along the way. I hope that after 8 years of Trump, we can go back to civility and be treated fairly. I am not holding my breath.

 

[ultmd]

America is a deeply broken country, this thread proves it.

More deflection?

No one asked you if the country is "broken". No one has asked you if Trump has "changed". The subject of this thread deals with the FACT that Trump lies more than anyone ever to have held the office of POTUS, and you can't seem to deal with that.

What this thread proves is that there are a lot of broken conservatives who live in a world of "alternative facts"...where "truth is not truth"....where "what you're seeing is not what's really happening". And when confronted with objective, provable FACTS which they cannot refute, these broken conservatives respond by doing EXACTLY what you've done in this thread--they dodge, deflect and dissemble in order to avoid acknowledging anything that conflicts with their alternative reality.

The country is not broken. Your party and your ideology are broken. Like most Trump supporters and conservative ideologues, you're just not interested in honest debate. You can't handle an honest debate.

 

[ultmd]

So you finally admit you purposely made a "gotcha" thread, and you worry about Trump supporter's "dishonesty". :lol:

You seem to be confused.

I had nothing to do with the creation of this thread.

That said, only a true Trumpian conservative could look at an opportunity to tell the truth as a "gotcha" moment.

And you people have the nerve to complain about the way people perceive you.

:lamo

 

[ultmd]

What does he lie about? Job numbers? How many people showed up at the inauguration? Why do you care about that stuff? If I had a nickle for every lie a politician told I'd never have to work again AND could feed all the hungry around the world.

"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
"No escalation is needed in South Vietnam"
Kennedy lied about actions in Cuba.
FDR lied about the need to incarcerate Japanese Americans.
McKinley probably lied (or was lied to) about the sinking of the Main.
Clinton lied about Lewinski.

The list could go on ad infinitum.

Typical right wing "logic".....equating singluar lies to the 4000-plus documented lies by Trump since taking the oath of office.

That's the kind of argument that works splendidly in conservative circles and on right wing blogs.

Not so much, back here in the "reality based community".

And of course, we all know (yourself included) that Trump's list of blatant lies is exponentially larger than the list of lies of every single president since the 20th century.....combined.

So there's also that.....

 

[BuzzwordBingo]

TDS thread # 15,999. lol

 

[ultmd]

No, because much of what the left calls lies are not really lies, they are comments Trump makes that are factually wrong.

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
So when Obama pledged "you can keep your doctor" during the negotiations to craft the ACA....he was lying. But Trump's 4000-plus lies are not lies. They are just "factually wrong comments", huh?

Only from the far-right, I tell ya......ONLY from the far-right.....

Please, tell us all the difference between a lie, and a "comment that is factually wrong".....and be prepared to apply that standard (if you even have one) to every "lie" that you and your ilk attempted to attribute to Obama and Clinton.

And, all presidents lie. They always have and always will. When you guys want to have a reasonable definition of lies then we can talk.

Strawman Alert!

NO ONE has EVER stated, nor even implied, that any president (or any person) has "never lied". What EVERYONE (with a rational mind) has stated is that Trump lies EXPONENTIALLY more than any president in our history. You know it. We all know it. The difference between Trump acolytes...and the rest of us (which includes a lot of non-Trumpian conservatives)....is that your side has proven itself to be almost completely amoral.

 

[ultmd]

TDS thread # 15,999. lol

LOL at all of the Trump acolytes who still don't realize that Trump Derangement Syndrome describes them, not us. You people are so brainwashed, you're almost zombies. If they had internet....the North Korean government would be jealous of the devotion you people have for your Dear Leader.

Most recently, that reality has been confirmed by all of the popular memes supporting Putin of the Democratic Party....and the memes supporting separation/internment camps infants and children of families seeking asylum at the southern border.....among other things.

 

[ataraxia]

You should try to open your mind, make the attempt to learn from people who dont agree with you.

Refusing to do so is the road to continued ignorance.

Sometimes people who don't agree with you say ridiculous things. It's one thing to say you don't care that he is a lying con-man because he is accomplishing the agenda you want. I can understand that. That's pretty much what the Evangelicals have said. But for someone to say that he is not a habitual, pathological, exploitative liar and narcissist, and has some level of integrity, is ridiculous and can be quickly dismissed.

 

[BuzzwordBingo]

LOL at all of the Trump acolytes who still don't realize that Trump Derangement Syndrome describes them, not us. You people are so brainwashed, you're almost zombies. If they had internet....the North Korean government would be jealous of the devotion you people have for your Dear Leader.

Most recently, that reality has been confirmed by all of the popular memes supporting Putin of the Democratic Party....and the memes supporting separation/internment camps infants and children of families seeking asylum at the southern border.....among other things.

OK, calm down. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Just take a deep breath and keep in mind that trump will be out of office in 2024. lol

 

[Moderate Right]

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
So when Obama pledged "you can keep your doctor" during the negotiations to craft the ACA....he was lying. But Trump's 4000-plus lies are not lies. They are just "factually wrong comments", huh?

Only from the far-right, I tell ya......ONLY from the far-right.....

Please, tell us all the difference between a lie, and a "comment that is factually wrong".....and be prepared to apply that standard (if you even have one) to every "lie" that you and your ilk attempted to attribute to Obama and Clinton.




Strawman Alert!

NO ONE has EVER stated, nor even implied, that any president (or any person) has "never lied". What EVERYONE (with a rational mind) has stated is that Trump lies EXPONENTIALLY more than any president in our history. You know it. We all know it. The difference between Trump acolytes...and the rest of us (which includes a lot of non-Trumpian conservatives)....is that your side has proven itself to be almost completely amoral.

You mistake me for a partisan. As far as, "you can keep your doctor", just like many things Trump says, we will probably never know if it was truly a lie or not. If Obama knew at the time he said that, that people would not be able to keep their doctor, then it was a lie. If he didn't know it at the time he said it, then it was not a lie but something that wound up not being factually correct.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

If any of you Libs deal with New Yorkers you get the way they talk. They exaggerate, they stretch the truth, they out boast the competition. It's a New York "macho" thing. Most of us on the right have learned that we don't care any more. The left has brought this on themselves. Conservatives tried to play by the rules while we watched the left lie, move the goal posts, change the rules and cheat while the right tried to elect people with honesty and trustworthiness. Unfortunately, our candidates would fold at the first conflict and forget about fighting for the values we elected them for. Now we changed the rules on YOU! WE DON'T CARE ANY MORE! As far as I am concerned it could be Bozo the clown (some of you will like that comparison) in office as long as he follows the agenda he laid out in his campaign. We on the right got killed playing by the rules. We are done with it. Tump is a Bully but he is our bully fighting back for our beliefs. The stubborn left can't figure out that they used to tear our candidates up because of some stupid issue that happened 20 years ago. Rule Change! WE DON"T CARE ANY MORE! We are fighting back now and rules be damned. Tump just has to stick with the agenda and we'll be behind him. I hope you understand so you can stop the dribble that flows from your mouth daily. It is fact that since the new rules are in place, the left can't handle it and that results in TDS. Good luck, see ya in 6 years! Bozo for Pres!

He isn't fighting for any such thing. Unless, of course, you believe in losing all your assets and working for next to nothing.

 

[plutonium]

Actually they love Trump more than they love America. They are patriotic to trump not America...... This is a proven fact by actions not words

 

[Irwin Corey]

Cant take it? WONT take it is the proper word choice.

Do see how you'll stop us; guess you're going to have to.

 

[thenotorious]

You should try to open your mind, make the attempt to learn from people who dont agree with you.

Refusing to do so is the road to continued ignorance.

I'm sure you make so many of these "attempts" :lamo