why don't progressives ever...

[KLATTU]

I work for one of the companies on this list. The pay and time off is quite progressive. They also are very LBGTQ friendly. I wouldn't call them conservative or liberal though. They just like money.

yes.precisely.exactly.
compnies that put these objectives OVER profits soon go bye bye.
#GET WOKE#GO Broke

 

[KLATTU]

Why do you assume they don't?

Listen to the progressive knownothing 'squad'. Sanders, Cortez,Reich,Warren. It's all bout gouging and profits.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

....start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?After all, doing things for the common good trumps 'greed 'doesn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they give all their workers health insurance , even though it would cut into profits.? No tricks with cutting hours to get around it.That would show those greedy bastahds at Walmart and Amazon ,wouldn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they don't raise prices even when the costs of materials and supplies go up, even though that would cut into profits ? After all, that would cause inflation which is bad for the country.
why don't a bunch of union workers stop compalining about about how they are overworked and underpaid and start their own business where they demonstrtae how easy it is to pay their workers 'fairly' and don't 'overwork' them?

They do lol. Worker coops are started all the time where they pay their workers very well.

Deruyter Farm & Garden Co-Op pays an average hourly rate of $47 and hourly wages range from a low of $42 to a high of $53. Individual pay rates will, of course, vary depending on the job, department, location, as well as the individual skills and education of each employee.

Deruyter Farm & Garden Co-Op Hourly Pay Rate | Salary.com

How much does a Deruyter Farm & Garden Co-Op employee salary on average per hour? Explore the company details, job salaries, location differences, and salary reviews.

www.salary.com

 

[KLATTU]

You've not shown that progressives don't create companies that pay a living wage. That was what your OP stated. Where is your evidence?

not what I said at all.I said paying a living wage EVEN THOUGH IT IS ABOVE MARKET.
Companies that overpay workers don't last long.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

....start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?After all, doing things for the common good trumps 'greed 'doesn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they give all their workers health insurance , even though it would cut into profits.? No tricks with cutting hours to get around it.That would show those greedy bastahds at Walmart and Amazon ,wouldn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they don't raise prices even when the costs of materials and supplies go up, even though that would cut into profits ? After all, that would cause inflation which is bad for the country.
why don't a bunch of union workers stop compalining about about how they are overworked and underpaid and start their own business where they demonstrtae how easy it is to pay their workers 'fairly' and don't 'overwork' them?

They do.

Next series of dumb questions please.

 

[KLATTU]

They do lol. Worker coops are started all the time where they pay their workers very well.

Deruyter Farm & Garden Co-Op Hourly Pay Rate | Salary.com

How much does a Deruyter Farm & Garden Co-Op employee salary on average per hour? Explore the company details, job salaries, location differences, and salary reviews.

www.salary.com

outliers,representing a an insignifiacnt portion of the marketplace, and co-oops almost always flame out.

 

[KLATTU]

They do.

Nope. They don't .
The companies that make up the overwhelming majority of the marketplace act rationally.
Pretending otherwise is a foolish enterprise.
Next set of dumb responses.

 

[BlueTex]

Listen to the progressive knownothing 'squad'. Sanders, Cortez,Reich,Warren. It's all bout gouging and profits.

They are politicians... How many businesses has Kevin McCarthy created?

 

[Buckeyes85]

....start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?After all, doing things for the common good trumps 'greed 'doesn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they give all their workers health insurance , even though it would cut into profits.? No tricks with cutting hours to get around it.That would show those greedy bastahds at Walmart and Amazon ,wouldn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they don't raise prices even when the costs of materials and supplies go up, even though that would cut into profits ? After all, that would cause inflation which is bad for the country.
why don't a bunch of union workers stop compalining about about how they are overworked and underpaid and start their own business where they demonstrtae how easy it is to pay their workers 'fairly' and don't 'overwork' them?

I have a small ownership interest in a business started by a female "progressive." Many/most of our staff are independent contractors, female, work from home and they are definitely paid above what their market value would be in the regular job market. Started with about 5 people and now have more than 100 making more money than they have ever made in their lives- by far.

So there you go.

 

[Luce]

....start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?After all, doing things for the common good trumps 'greed 'doesn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they give all their workers health insurance , even though it would cut into profits.? No tricks with cutting hours to get around it.That would show those greedy bastahds at Walmart and Amazon ,wouldn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they don't raise prices even when the costs of materials and supplies go up, even though that would cut into profits ? After all, that would cause inflation which is bad for the country.
why don't a bunch of union workers stop compalining about about how they are overworked and underpaid and start their own business where they demonstrtae how easy it is to pay their workers 'fairly' and don't 'overwork' them?

<insert old man yelling at clouds meme>

 

[Nomad4Ever]

outliers,representing a an insignifiacnt portion of the marketplace, and co-oops almost always flame out.

You asked why leftists don't start businesses run in a manner they want to see businesses run. I showed you that they did.

Also, source on anything you said? Because it is just wrong.

Co-operatives employ almost 10% of the world’s population. Based on data from 156 countries, the updated estimate shows that employment in or within the scope of co-operatives concerns at least 279.4 million people across the globe (9.46% of the world’s employed population). (Source)

Guess 10% is insignificant to you?

Also, they fail at a rate that is much lower than conventional privately owned businesses.

statistics from France showed a particularly high survival rate of conversions of conventional companies into worker cooperatives: there was a three-year survival rate of 80-90% for these cooperatives, converted from “in crisis” or “sound” enterprises, respectively. Compare this to a 66% three-year survival rate for all French enterprises. Likewise, the five-year survival rate of cooperatives formed from existing businesses was 61-82%; this figure for all French businesses was 50%. (Source)

 

[Nomad4Ever]

<insert old man yelling at clouds meme>

 

[CaughtInThe]

For leftists, there seems to be a lot of stock put into the ability to call out the wrongs of others. This might provide a shield of some sort for the guilt they feel.

i am so proud of this post. it's not about race.

 

[KLATTU]

I have a small ownership interest in a business started by a female "progressive." Many/most of our staff are independent contractors, female, work from home and they are definitely paid above what their market value would be in the regular job market. Started with about 5 people and now have more than 100 making more money than they have ever made in their lives- by far.

So there you go.

Not enough info. Maybe these are very highly qualified thus deserve more pay.

 

[bave]

I have a small ownership interest in a business started by a female "progressive." Many/most of our staff are independent contractors, female, work from home and they are definitely paid above what their market value would be in the regular job market. Started with about 5 people and now have more than 100 making more money than they have ever made in their lives- by far.

So there you go.

Oh, contractors. So they aren't w-2, no employee benefits, no right to organize etc....

You realize how quickly these things get attacked by progressives, right? What you are referring to is the "gig economy" that gets routinely blasted.

 

[KLATTU]

You asked why leftists don't start businesses run in a manner they want to see businesses run. I showed you that they did.

Also, source on anything you said? Because it is just wrong.

Guess 10% is insignificant to you?

Also, they fail at a rate that is much lower than conventional privately owned businesses.

you're quoting GLOBAL stats? Seriously?
Try the US.

 

[Rickeroo]

i am so proud of this post. it's not about race.

Thanks! Actually most of my posts regarding race are about trying to understand the left's view of race. It's the dominant mode of racial thinking and will only continue to increase as time goes on. Race neutrality becomes more unlikely with each passing day in the US.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Oh, contractors. So they aren't w-2, no employee benefits, no right to organize etc....

You realize how quickly these things get attacked by progressives, right? What you are referring to is the "gig economy" that gets routinely blasted.

Forgive me for not feeling the need to share our entire business plan to satisfy folks like you on the internet. But these are not "gig" jobs; we have offered employee status to many who have chosen to stay 1099.
The OP wanted an example. I gave him a specific one. Deal with it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Thanks! Actually most of my posts regarding race are about trying to understand the left's view of race. It's the dominant mode of racial thinking and will only continue to increase as time goes on. Race neutrality becomes more unlikely with each passing day in the US.

thanks for talking about race after i saluted you for not talking about race.

 

[bave]

Forgive me for not feeling the need to share our entire business plan to satisfy folks like you on the internet. But these are not "gig" jobs; we have offered employee status to many who have chosen to stay 1099.
The OP wanted an example. I gave him a specific one. Deal with it.

Fair enough, but if you are 1099'n employees, they are gig workers whether by their choice or yours, it doens't matter. You have offered W2's to *some* of them I see.

A truly progressive enterprise would have everyone on payroll, unionized, with full and comprehensive benefits, and the employees/contractors having an equity stake with the owners having a capped compensation and benefit structure. That never happens and we all know why.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

you're quoting GLOBAL stats? Seriously?
Try the US.

What stats are you quoting? Your feelings? Despite US laws being much more hostile to worker coops than many other countries, our worker coops here perform very well.

Worker cooperatives appear to slightly outperform their peers. In 2013, the average private firm had a
profit margin of 5.9%, while the margin for worker cooperatives was 6.4%. (Using only US data)

You said:

Why don't progressives ever start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?

I demonstrated that they did. You keep trying to move the goal post and put a greater and greater burden of proof on me because your initial point is so incredibly demonstrably wrong.

"Why don't progressives start businesses where they pay their employees well?" - They do.

"Well they aren't successful and they fail" - They are more successful than private firms.

"Well that's global data, use only US data" - Ok, they are still more successful than private firms.

What position are you going to retreat to next? Do I have to show they are successful using only data from a specific state? A specific industry in a specific state? Do I have use data from coops with over 1,000 employees in a specific sector in a specific city?

 

[Luce]

....start a business where they pay their workers a 'living wage' even though it it above market value, and it cuts into profits?After all, doing things for the common good trumps 'greed 'doesn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they give all their workers health insurance , even though it would cut into profits.? No tricks with cutting hours to get around it.That would show those greedy bastahds at Walmart and Amazon ,wouldn't it?
Why don't they start a business where they don't raise prices even when the costs of materials and supplies go up, even though that would cut into profits ? After all, that would cause inflation which is bad for the country.
why don't a bunch of union workers stop compalining about about how they are overworked and underpaid and start their own business where they demonstrtae how easy it is to pay their workers 'fairly' and don't 'overwork' them?

Why don't conservatives start a business where they realize that payroll is in fact overhead, and account for that in their plan? Why don't they understand that turnover is more expensive than a couple extra bucks per employee per hour? For that matter, why don't they realize that employees are a revenue center rather than a cost center (if they weren't making money for the company, they wouldn't be employed.)

If your business model doesn't account for market rate payroll, then it sucks and you deserve to go out of business. And then you have NO profits.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

yes.precisely.exactly.
compnies that put these objectives OVER profits soon go bye bye.
#GET WOKE#GO Broke

Which is an argument for liberal policies.

Because businesses need to act rationally and prioritize profits in order to stay in business, if you want a society in which people make a living wage and have healthcare, you have to craft the laws of your society such that this outcome will result from rational actors working to maximize profits.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

A truly progressive enterprise would have everyone on payroll, unionized, with full and comprehensive benefits, and the employees/contractors having an equity stake with the owners having a capped compensation and benefit structure. That never happens and we all know why.

Why would you say something that can be proven to be completely incorrectly so easily?

I'll even do you one better. Forget fully unionized. How about worker owned?

Mondragón in the Spanish Basque Region is the largest cooperative in the world and one of the most successful companies in Spain. The workers of the Mondragón Cooperative own their company and make their own decisions.

Instead of being owned by any shareholders or billionaires, Mondragón employees own their company and make their own decisions. The profits of the company are not paid to any offshore accounts in tax swamps. They go to those who have made the profits: the workers.

The president of Mondragón earns only 6 times as much as the lowest wage group of the cooperative. Furthermore, the lower wage groups earn far more than the regional average

Mondragón: One of Spain´s largest corporations belongs to its workers

Mondragón is the largest cooperative in the world and one of the most successful companies in Spain. The workers of Mondragón own the company.

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We heard (and read) many stories of economic crises and how the cooperatives, individually and collectively, weathered them. In all cases, they remained true to their core value — providing long-term employment (and other benefits) to their worker-owners

 

[bave]

Why would you say something that can be proven to be completely incorrectly so easily?

You realize you are talking about a company formed nearly a century ago, from the outset as a collective, in a socialist protectionist paradise, right?

But hey, please, build me another one while you are at it. No skin off my back.