Why Doesn't Mitch McConnell Want Witnesses To Testify? Because He Knows Trump is Guilty.

[Robertinfremont]

Simpler times I think. Though this whole impeachment circus has far more fanfare than what OJ received.

It's also far more of a show than what was originally expected.

It may seem funny yet I believe the majority posting know very little of the Clinton impeachment and following trial. They appear to fake it in my opinion.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

argumentum ad populum:
a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so".

Your stance is just as weak as it's always been Kerry. Find one that actually has a spine and you might actually find one for yourself in the process.

I'm done with now, so go play somewhere else.

Like I said before -- a wise person recognizes when experts know more than he/she does. They don't keep trying to prove a point they know absolutely nothing about. That definitely doesn't apply to you Trump cultists.

Also, see post #712. I've already shown you multiple times why you are wrong.

And you are also incapable of having an honest discussion about Trump doing Putin's bidding. Truly pathetic.

New report came out today. Trump directed that the Ukraine aid be withheld two hours after the phone call with Zelensky on 25 July:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f19ae0-24d5-11ea-a14c-412f7b9e2717_story.html

An official from the White House budget office directed the Defense Department to “hold off” on sending military aid to Ukraine less than two hours after President Trump’s controversial phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to internal emails.

Michael Duffey, a senior budget official, told Pentagon officials that Trump had become personally interested in the Ukraine aid and had ordered the hold, according to the heavily redacted emails, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity on Friday in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. He also asked the Pentagon not to discuss the hold widely.

“Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute the direction,” Duffey wrote in a July 25 email to Pentagon Comptroller Elaine McCusker and others.

 

[Oborosen]

It is possible that now there are 10,000 legal scholars crafting a letter stipulating Trump is innocent. I wonder if that far outweighs 500 who no doubt are Democrats whom call Trump guilty?

They can "believe" he's innocent all they like. Seeing as he's not even been proven guilty, I'd still just need to see verifiable evidence of some wrongdoing, or some action that shows an actual crime.

The law is only as flexible as it needs to be, and while I don't have the power to interpret it as our system allows. I know more than enough to get by on my own.

 

[Oborosen]

It may seem funny yet I believe the majority posting know very little of the Clinton impeachment and following trial. They appear to fake it in my opinion.

It's mostly because it's a "strange" memory at the very least. Almost like it was a haze when we had to sit through the first time, and now that we have to recall parts of it. If it weren't for the internet, we'd be sorely lost on some of the finer measures.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Jonathan Turley is the man you spoke highly of. He is a legal scholar of the highest reputation.

I am sick at how ignorant Democrats are that they allowed themselves to get giddy at what thus far has taken place.

It reminds me in a huge way of the way the public felt when OJ was arrested and locked into jail. The belief is he killed his wife and the male victim and justice would prevail. Well it did not. So premature giddiness is lousy for the soul.

No same person who saw the OJ trial accepts he is not guilty. We know very well he is very guilty of two murders. Fortunately he did not kill his own children. I mean how lucky they are.

As I recall, McConnell was pretty ****ing giddy on Sean Hannity's horse**** show, when he bragged about the sham Senate trial that he had planned.

But of course you don't remember any of that.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

McConnell is only one member of the Jury. I would love to teach you how it works except based on your many posts, you simply are not teachable.

For example Roberts will conduct the Trial. He will adhere to the Senate Rules.

Senators of both parties are not allowed to simply talk. They will get chances to vote.

Calling me names will never work. It is lousy etiquette and you have to know the forum rules.

McConnell will negotiate the trial rules and witnesses with Schumer. Trump cultists are not very good at being condescending, so don't try it.

 

[Oborosen]

Like I said before -- a wise person recognizes when experts know more than he/she does. They don't keep trying to prove a point they know absolutely nothing about. That definitely doesn't apply to you Trump cultists.

Also, see post #712. I've already shown you multiple times why you are wrong.

And you are also incapable of having an honest discussion about Trump doing Putin's bidding. Truly pathetic.

New report came out today. Trump directed that the Ukraine aid be withheld two hours after the phone call with Zelensky on 25 July:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f19ae0-24d5-11ea-a14c-412f7b9e2717_story.html

You realize that nothing you posted actually proved anything right?

All you have are your silly allegations and your assumptions. Much less, you're still choosing to hide behind that same fallacy time and time again. Simply because you lack the ability to do so yourself.

I may not be a "legal scholar" but I know more than enough about our legal system to say that what the democrats tried to prove in the impeachment hearings, showed nothing more than their own abuse of power. The fact that I wanted them to at least establish that Trump possibly did something wrong, was asking that they meet a requirement of standard for having the necessary evidence. Which is why they worried so much about this going to the senate, because with no leg to stand on it had no hope of really going far.

So while the spineless are going to try and cling to their fallacies, and when he isn't actually impeached. The whole lot of them can cry that something was fixed in the whole process, or that he cheated the system... once again, with no proof on their part. But that's all the like of you are ever going to have.

However, after what, three years of almost daily lying about Trump, or his base?
No one in their right mind is going to believe you. Hell, some of your own people have been chased off because they've lost the faith so to speak.

Be done with it Kerry. All you have is your fallacy, and the cowardice on which you're using it to protect yourself with. Not to mention the nice pile of lies that you're steadily building for yourself .

 

[Robertinfremont]

McConnell will negotiate the trial rules and witnesses with Schumer. Trump cultists are not very good at being condescending, so don't try it.

You use those tactics. I do not use such tactics. And why don't you read the rules that the Senate has agreed to. Schumer knows all about them. I do not hear that Schumer wants to modify the rules at all. i hear he wants to do the task that Shiff failed to do. But that is not allowed in the Rules.

Also the full Senate gets to vote on Witnesses. In the past they ruled them out.

By the way I do not ever try your tactic, being condescending.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You realize that nothing you posted actually proved anything right?

All you have are your silly allegations and your assumptions. Much less, you're still choosing to hide behind that same fallacy time and time again. Simply because you lack the ability to do so yourself.

I may not be a "legal scholar" but I know more than enough about our legal system to say that what the democrats tried to prove in the impeachment hearings, showed nothing more than their own abuse of power. The fact that I wanted them to at least establish that Trump possibly did something wrong, was asking that they meet a requirement of standard for having the necessary evidence. Which is why they worried so much about this going to the senate, because with no leg to stand on it had no hope of really going far.

So while the spineless are going to try and cling to their fallacies, and when he isn't actually impeached. The whole lot of them can cry that something was fixed in the whole process, or that he cheated the system... once again, with no proof on their part. But that's all the like of you are ever going to have.

However, after what, three years of almost daily lying about Trump, or his base?
No one in their right mind is going to believe you. Hell, some of your own people have been chased off because they've lost the faith so to speak.

Be done with it Kerry. All you have is your fallacy, and the cowardice on which you're using it to protect yourself with. Not to mention the nice pile of lies that you're steadily building for yourself .

You silver tongue. How to mention your gift of truth and not exaggerate.

The best ever Christmas Turkey and the fixings. The top ranked plays. The best concert music. And you deal with piddly ushers who can't put away your coat.

Well done master.

 

[Robertinfremont]

McConnell will negotiate the trial rules and witnesses with Schumer. Trump cultists are not very good at being condescending, so don't try it.

Have you news none of the rest of us have? That McConnell is busy setting rules? Schumer has as much chance setting rules as our republicans had when it was Schiff in charge. No chance at all.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It's mostly because it's a "strange" memory at the very least. Almost like it was a haze when we had to sit through the first time, and now that we have to recall parts of it. If it weren't for the internet, we'd be sorely lost on some of the finer measures.

Back in the days of the VHS tapes, i was taping the Clinton mess for history sake. I no longer have those tapes. But it forced me to truly watch all of his impeachment so I recall this very well.

 

[Oborosen]

Back in the days of the VHS tapes, i was taping the Clinton mess for history sake. I no longer have those tapes. But it forced me to truly watch all of his impeachment so I recall this very well.

I'd honestly rather watch dry paint, attempt to dry even more at this point.

 

[Robertinfremont]

As I recall, McConnell was pretty ****ing giddy on Sean Hannity's horse**** show, when he bragged about the sham Senate trial that he had planned.

But of course you don't remember any of that.

I not only recall this attempt to impeach but the Clinton impeachment and the trial and of course recall like it was yesterday it was Nixon on the anvil of the Congress.

This is not my first rodeo and you need not call me bad names either. (above post did not, your other posts have though)

When a prosecutor hands crap to a court, do not blame the court it is crap. Crap will perhaps enter that court perhaps by January 7.

I want you to consider one more time, the indictment and trial of Bob Menendez. HE is a sitting Senator of the D party. Bob you see was charged in a court of law for a federal crime. That man had some good lawyers working for him based on his trial outcome. We have an actually guilty criminal serving this Senate who is a democrat. Bet you think he got a raw deal eh?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

You realize that nothing you posted actually proved anything right?

All you have are your silly allegations and your assumptions. Much less, you're still choosing to hide behind that same fallacy time and time again. Simply because you lack the ability to do so yourself.

I may not be a "legal scholar" but I know more than enough about our legal system to say that what the democrats tried to prove in the impeachment hearings, showed nothing more than their own abuse of power. The fact that I wanted them to at least establish that Trump possibly did something wrong, was asking that they meet a requirement of standard for having the necessary evidence. Which is why they worried so much about this going to the senate, because with no leg to stand on it had no hope of really going far.

So while the spineless are going to try and cling to their fallacies, and when he isn't actually impeached. The whole lot of them can cry that something was fixed in the whole process, or that he cheated the system... once again, with no proof on their part. But that's all the like of you are ever going to have.

However, after what, three years of almost daily lying about Trump, or his base?
No one in their right mind is going to believe you. Hell, some of your own people have been chased off because they've lost the faith so to speak.

Be done with it Kerry. All you have is your fallacy, and the cowardice on which you're using it to protect yourself with. Not to mention the nice pile of lies that you're steadily building for yourself .

There you go again -- stating that you know more than 500 legal scholars. I got news for you, dude -- you don't. This is why smart people like me laugh at Trump voters. This is why we don't take Trumpsters seriously. We see Trump voters as a bunch of uneducated, know-it-all bumpkins that can't think critically and are easily manipulated by authoritarian figures.

And you don't even care that your traitor hero Trump is doing Putin's bidding. Holy ****, what's wrong with you?

It was revealed today that Trump tried to stop the military aid two hours after that phone call with Zelensky. Do you want to hear testimony about these new revelations during the Senate trial? Of course not. You just want Trump to "win", even if he is guilty.

Your hatred of liberals overrides any rational, objective thought that you might have, and makes you incapable of seeing what a danger Trump is. You have some intelligence, but you are handicapped by your lack of open-mindedness and the inflexibility in your thought. You are blinded by hatred and the "us vs them" mentality and I feel sorry for you.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I'd honestly rather watch dry paint, attempt to dry even more at this point.

Frankly this will end up on the trash pile of history. And Trump will not worry about being elected again. He clearly is on the path to victory.

If he had tiny crowds as Biden does, then of course he would be in serious trouble. Notice the major news works hard to not show the enormous crowds Trump gets. And if they mention it, they make excuses why it does not matter. Funny how important were the Obama crowds though.

I do not understand why the the media supports Biden given his tiny crowds. They want this country to vote for Biden. I think this too can fail as it did with the scream of the legendary Howard Dean. I bet under 5 percent recall who he is.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I not only recall this attempt to impeach but the Clinton impeachment and the trial and of course recall like it was yesterday it was Nixon on the anvil of the Congress.

This is not my first rodeo and you need not call me bad names either. (above post did not, your other posts have though)

When a prosecutor hands crap to a court, do not blame the court it is crap. Crap will perhaps enter that court perhaps by January 7.

I want you to consider one more time, the indictment and trial of Bob Menendez. HE is a sitting Senator of the D party. Bob you see was charged in a court of law for a federal crime. That man had some good lawyers working for him based on his trial outcome. We have an actually guilty criminal serving this Senate who is a democrat. Bet you think he got a raw deal eh?

It's your opinion that "crap" was handed to the court. Nothing more. The 500 legal scholars say otherwise.

Bob Menendez may be unethical, but he is not conspiring with Russia. Trump is and he is a danger to our democracy. He needs to go now.

 

[Oborosen]

.We see Trump voters as a bunch of uneducated, know-it-all bumpkins that can't think critically and are easily manipulated by authoritarian figures.

So says the poster who's only defense is a weak fallacy, and who can only spout the same tired bile that all the other anti-trumpers parrot ad nauseam.

If this is all that you have to hide behind, then you have nothing. You're as faceless and your words, and as strong as your own conviction. Which at this point is so small and fast to vanish, that even Dr. Manhattan couldn't even see it.

At least I'm able to face this with my own rational, and I can make the decisions that are necessary for myself, by myself.

You? You need people to tell you what to think. So how in any reality do you expect me, or anyone else to even believe you when you don't even have your own opinion and all that you can mostly do is insult people who aren't even present in the conversation. Because right now, I can bet that Trump doesn't really even care about what's going on. No matter how hard the media, or the democrats try to sell it. He's probably sitting back and laughing at the show, which he'd be in his right to do at this point.

What do you have besides those 500 scholars, and I mean something that actually proves anything. Not just your opinion, and not just some fallacy that you chose to hide behind out of this same weakness that you keep displaying.

Are you actually even a real person at this point?

 

[Robertinfremont]

There you go again -- stating that you know more than 500 legal scholars. I got news for you, dude -- you don't. This is why smart people like me laugh at Trump voters. This is why we don't take Trumpsters seriously. We see Trump voters as a bunch of uneducated, know-it-all bumpkins that can't think critically and are easily manipulated by authoritarian figures.

And you don't even care that your traitor hero Trump is doing Putin's bidding. Holy ****, what's wrong with you? It was revealed today that Trump tried to stop the military aid two hours after that phone call with Zelensky. Do you want to hear testimony about these new revelations during the Senate trial? Of course not. You just want Trump to "win", even if he is guilty.

Your hatred of liberals overrides any rational, objective thought that you might have, and makes you incapable of seeing what a danger Trump is. You have some intelligence, but you are handicapped by your lack of open-mindedness and the inflexibility in your thought. You are blinded by hatred and the "us vs them" mentality and I feel sorry for you.

Clearly you consider yourself as a premier authoritarian. This rules out you have a chance to be called a liberal. And do not allege you are tolerant. You were whipped by your master and resent how easily he whipped you. Quit being so angry.

 

[eohrnberger]

Mueller took how long to clear Trump? And Democrats spent a few days bringing up their so called evidence that in the end proved no crimes by Trump. They called Trump every name in the book yet were not able to assemble even one crime. Sad day for his country that Adam Schiff and his mob were born.

Please don't mistake my post for any sort of support for the ills the Democrats are bringing to the nation under the guise of claimed patriotism, reverence, solemnity or duty.

Minor point, Mueller didn't 'clear Trump' (exonerate). The Mueller / Weissman report clearly states that they didn't have enough evidence to charge Trump, and then goes on in their 'report' all the times Trump was fulminating, but no action related to the alleged charges was ever taken, so little more than the typical leftist innuendos of malfeasance. Last time I checked you can be criminally charged for actions you have taken, but you cannot be criminally charged for talking about taking actions that you never take.

The Democrat's articles of impeachment are little more than the same, and have cheapened impeachment into little more than a political weapon, something they have established a track record of doing with all facets of government they can get control over.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

So says the poster who's only defense is a weak fallacy, and who can only spout the same tired bile that all the other anti-trumpers parrot ad nauseam.

If this is all that you have to hide behind, then you have nothing. You're as faceless and your words, and as strong as your own conviction. Which at this point is so small and fast to vanish, that even Dr. Manhattan couldn't even see it.

At least I'm able to face this with my own rational, and I can make the decisions that are necessary for myself, by myself.

You? You need people to tell you what to think. So how in any reality do you expect me, or anyone else to even believe you when you don't even have your own opinion and all that you can mostly do is insult people who aren't even present in the conversation. Because right now, I can bet that Trump doesn't really even care about what's going on. No matter how hard the media, or the democrats try to sell it. He's probably sitting back and laughing at the show, which he'd be in his right to do at this point.

What do you have besides those 500 scholars, and I mean something that actually proves anything. Not just your opinion, and not just some fallacy that you chose to hide behind out of this same weakness that you keep displaying.

Are you actually even a real person at this point?

I have to prove something, but you don't have to? Is that how it works?

Your whining about the impeachment proceedings is "proof"? I should take you seriously when you say you know more than 500 legal scholars? Why?

So how do you feel about the new revelations today, regarding Trump and the Ukraine aid that I told you about? Should this be included in the trial?

Do you even care that Trump is a traitor, or is your hatred of me and liberals more important to you? Is Trump "winning" all that matters?

 

[Oborosen]

Frankly this will end up on the trash pile of history. And Trump will not worry about being elected again. He clearly is on the path to victory.

If he had tiny crowds as Biden does, then of course he would be in serious trouble. Notice the major news works hard to not show the enormous crowds Trump gets. And if they mention it, they make excuses why it does not matter. Funny how important were the Obama crowds though.

I do not understand why the the media supports Biden given his tiny crowds. They want this country to vote for Biden. I think this too can fail as it did with the scream of the legendary Howard Dean. I bet under 5 percent recall who he is.

I don't want Biden as my president. I've met the man, and heard him speak in closed door rallies. Now that I think about it, it's some sort of running joke among the democrats about the "one" black person you'll see in a republican rally. But when you're actually the "one" black man in a democrat's rally. You hear some rather horrible things coming from the people around you.

Other then that, I don't think he'll even survive being president. He wasn't even in that good of health when Obama was in office, and now he's had so many problems just shoot up over the last few months. That I think he's close to just dying on the debate stage every time that I see him.

He should just retire at this point, and spend the rest of his days on a ranch, or some other rich old white man stereotype ending like that.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Clearly you consider yourself as a premier authoritarian. This rules out you have a chance to be called a liberal. And do not allege you are tolerant. You were whipped by your master and resent how easily he whipped you. Quit being so angry.

Trump voters are nothing but angry. And racists. And uneducated. And bullies.

That's why you all voted for someone as vile as Trump. His ugliness and crass behavior is what you all love.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Please don't mistake my post for any sort of support for the ills the Democrats are bringing to the nation under the guise of claimed patriotism, reverence, solemnity or duty.

Minor point, Mueller didn't 'clear Trump' (exonerate). The Mueller / Weissman report clearly states that they didn't have enough evidence to charge Trump, and then goes on in their 'report' all the times Trump was fulminating, but no action related to the alleged charges was ever taken, so little more than the typical leftist innuendos of malfeasance. Last time I checked you can be criminally charged for actions you have taken, but you cannot be criminally charged for talking about taking actions that you never take.

The Democrat's articles of impeachment are little more than the same, and have cheapened impeachment into little more than a political weapon, something they have established a track record of doing with all facets of government they can get control over.

That my friend cleared Trump. I can post for all the actual part of the Mueller report that clears more than Trump of working with the Russians, it clears his entire campaign.

When I was in the Army, in Germany I mean, at Ledward Kasern in Schweinfurt Germany, I was virtually forced to be the Company Clerk of HQ/HQ Company, 1st BN, 30th Infantry and believe me, i put a lot of time studying the UCMJ. Then the 1951 version since it was the latest out.

The party is seen by one party as guilty. This being the Prosecution or it could be the Company Commander or at the Captains Mast. The charged party believes he is not guilty. Well he may be not guilty yet if the Captain's mast declares him guilty, he has a hell of a problem making a case he is not guilty. So he ordinarily is punished.

I never once was brought up for an Article 15 charge. Frankly a few times I deserved it. The time I passed a Lt in the Army and did not salute him. He stopped me and demanded my name, and my unit and my CO name. I gave him what he asked for and then told my CO what I did. He was amused and said not to be concerned. See i told the Lt that he was lower than the rank I would salute and he was hot under his collar.

Part of my problem was I had been to Ft. Benning Georgia intending to start and finish Jump school to be airborne. I changed my mind a couple of weeks after being at Benning. But there due to the amount of officers in jump training, then the rule was officers were not to show their rank. So there was a no saluting rule. i carried that to Germany.

But back to the bad tempered mob chasing Trump. Trump will soon appeal to a higher authority than the House and it is my contention he will not be convicted. And man does this piss off the Democrats. They are very angry.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Trump voters are nothing but angry. And racists. And uneducated. And bullies.

That's why you all voted for someone as vile as Trump. His ugliness and crass behavior is what you all love.

I would have voted for Obama had I wanted to vote for a racist. If you think I am angry, I am not the one fulminating at posters who voted for Trump and calling them ugly names. Guess who that is?

 

[Oborosen]

I have to prove something, but you don't have to? Is that how it works?

Your whining about the impeachment proceedings is "proof"? I should take you seriously when you say you know more than 500 legal scholars? Why?

So how do you feel about the new revelations today, regarding Trump and the Ukraine aid that I told you about? Should this be included in the trial?

Do you even care that Trump is a traitor, or is your hatred of me and liberals more important to you? Is Trump "winning" all that matters?

Trump has not been shown to be a traitor, nor has this information that's come out about the aid. Actually shown what you think it proves.

We already know why Trump decided to holdup the aid, and the only thing that you have to say otherwise is the "assumption" of what they thought Trump wanted to hold it for, and they didn't even have 1st hand knowledge of those accounts.

You know why I don't just blindly trust 500 legal scholars?
The same reason that I don't blindly trust another group of scholars that say he's innocent.

Because of the human condition, I'm not going to put it past them that they're lying. Just like I can't put the same past you, or anyone else who just blatantly calls anyone who disagrees with them a cultist, or simply derides someone, simply for the fact that they disagree.

None of what the democrats put forward, actually established that Trump did anything wrong. Hell, they had to change their claims half way through and it still didn't work.

So what are these 500 scholars going to say, that not even the democrats with all of their support, and material power in the court could not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Those doctors are just giving their opinion given the fact that not one of them were important enough to actually take part in the proceedings. That should be hint #1 that something isn't entirely on the up and up with them on this matter.
Be clean with me, if I had a link with a list of over a thousand scholars who said that Trump was still 100% innocent of being impeached.

Would you honestly believe as such?

Which if you couldn't, then why do you think that your list is supposed to do the same for me?