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Why does the CIA think they can destabilize any nation?

Cause they can.
I was thinking just now of posting almost the exact same thing. They better think they can or they are useless. The question I think people want answered is why are they allowed to do what they do? They can do it, but why are they allowed to? And that question is a whole can of worms with no dirt in the can.
 
Oh yes, now that y'all got me thinking about this I remember another group of folks that are really good at interesting operations related to gathering intel, watching other folks doing their job and so on --- the folks in the submarines. They do some seriously hardcore work that is not at all easy.

My daughter was allowed to go onto a sub with me and another district officer down at Yokosuka when she was in elementary school and much to my surprise a week or so after that summer vacation ended we received a call from a teacher who seemed very upset that my daughter had used a PET bottle and made a model of a submarine and told the teacher why. The teacher didn't believe her and so the teacher called us. Obviously, we set the teacher straight about the situation and my daughter received a proper apology from the school folks. But it is true that normally kids aren't allowed on one of those subs, so no surprise the teacher and maybe some others were a bit perplexed.

But back on topic, submarine work is very important for national security. And I think there is some info out in public about some past ops that were more than a tad ... well, borderline legal, maybe. Lot of strange military stuff happens that most of y'all have no clue about. Sorry, that comes across as kind of crude. Not sure of the polite way to express that.
 
our nation's history indicates it is a very legitimate issue

iran
vietnam
afghanistan
cuba
haiti/dominican republic
iraq

how did the USA and the world benefit from our intrusions into these ^ countries?

I'm not interested in your anti-Americanism.

Maybe someone else will swallow the bait.
 
Well, worrying about excess shouldn't be tossed into file 13. Sure, things get out of control sometimes. Has in the past and probably will in the future. The nature of some of those ops is such that folks can go too far and then bad trouble. But national security is a must and if a citizen doesn't think it is, fine. We'll protect that citizen just like all others are protected. Some folks just don't get it, which is understandable when they have grown up in a nice stable community and no missiles landing next door, food always on the table, folks not getting bumped off by secret police. You grow up in a nice stable environment and it really can be you might think all that stability is like an automatic thing in life. Could send those folks to the DPRK for a quick introduction to how it is in other places around the planet. But don't give them too much of a hard time. They just don't know. And that's kind of neat, to be honest. They are lucky. They just don't know it. And it would be really cool if they can get through their entire lives for maybe 70 or 80 years and never know what a hard time it can be in some places around this planet.
 
I'm not interested in your anti-Americanism.

Maybe someone else will swallow the bait.
truth is often disturbing

we can deal with it

or we can hide from it

we each get a choice to make
 
Deal with your anti-US demons alone.
No thanks

I would prefer to do those things that would make my country better

Pointing out its mistaken actions is part of improving our nation for our children. Hopefully, so it will not happen to embarrass us again.
 
Well, they do have a certain amount of experience.

What's REALLY bad is when they direct their actions toward their own nation.

So, they invade because they can?

I have a lot of experience with tropical fish, I don't go stealing aquariums.

Let's talk about Bay of Pigs.
 
So, they invade because they can?

I have a lot of experience with tropical fish, I don't go stealing aquariums.

Let's talk about Bay of Pigs.
No thanks. I'll leave past history in the past. But hey...you can talk about the Bay of Pigs if you want to. Good luck finding someone to talk to.
 
My father was flying for SAC and we were stationed at Homestead and it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis that I came of age, in a manner of putting it. It was when I clearly understood what death meant. It was on everyone's face for days. We were all quite sure we weren't going to get through that one without bad trouble. Our AO would have been struck by multiple weapons systems as we were the largest airfield close to Cuba. It was a very, very tense time. And after some years of active duty many years later I came to realize that all those flight crews and maintenance folks and all active duty at Homestead must have been 3 or 4 times worse in a mental state than I was as a kid.

And on a related note, I never thought we'd get through the Cold War without an exchange of fire with either the USSR or China or both. I didn't believe that humans would be wiped out, like was stated so often, but I figured we'd be pushed back a couple thousand years and those that did survive would essentially start all over again. I was very surprised when the Cold War came to an end, as it did.

By the way, I think some of you may have read or heard this one from other sources, but it is very true: The Cold War was only cold for diplomats.

And a very strange thing I wish to add is that I think I do know a way we can get ourselves out of this darn military-option-only loop we have gotten ourselves into. I'm in the process elsewhere of spilling that out very slowly and am just hoping I get it all out for everyone to study before this darn cancer finally gets me. What little I have leaked out on some other sites around the Net has confirmed one important point, most folks think I'm nuts when I start to head down that path. But no problem. In fact, I could very well be nuts, but somebody has to try. It's all well and good to complain about a problem, but eventually somebody has to come up with an answer. I stumbled into a possible answer quite by accident about 15 or so years ago. I actually didn't realize I had a possible answer until about 5 or so years after the whole thing started. Funny, I didn't know I was going to spill this information here on this site, in this community. I stumbled into this community quite by accident. I've got quite a history on the Net. Many people know me, but don't know who I am, in one way to put it. Once they realize I am serious the reaction is either I am nuts, or they get very scared. It's the folks with certain amounts of money and power on the Net that get scared. Most other folks just view me as being really weird and probably not sane. I very much like that reaction. The ones that get scared usually get me away. The list of bannings I have behind me is amazing. Even the then president of the ISOC banned me from writing my ideas to ISOC members on the ISOC site. He couldn't outright take my membership away, but he could stop me from using their platforms to communicate my ideas. My wife wishes I'd just leave the rest of the humans on this planet alone and concentrate on staying alive and relaxing in my last year or so. In fact, this very paragraph would make her very angry. Lucky we have a couple homes where we can each hide from each other for a spell, off and on.

Yep, you've got to trouble yourselves to find answers after you've identified the problem. We humans have to come up with a new system. The Good Lord helps those who help themselves, so don't expect handouts of knowledge from that source either.
 
No thanks

I would prefer to do those things that would make my country better

Pointing out its mistaken actions is part of improving our nation for our children. Hopefully, so it will not happen to embarrass us again.

And yet you can't show us a perfect nation.
 
allow me to share some ancient wisdom:

Show us the perfect nation.

You can't, and yet you remonstrate that America is horrible because perfection is never attained.

The aspirational aspect is commendable, but perfection does not exist in the dog-eat-dog world of realpolitik.
 
My father was flying for SAC and we were stationed at Homestead and it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis that I came of age, in a manner of putting it. It was when I clearly understood what death meant. It was on everyone's face for days. We were all quite sure we weren't going to get through that one without bad trouble. Our AO would have been struck by multiple weapons systems as we were the largest airfield close to Cuba. It was a very, very tense time. And after some years of active duty many years later I came to realize that all those flight crews and maintenance folks and all active duty at Homestead must have been 3 or 4 times worse in a mental state than I was as a kid.

And on a related note, I never thought we'd get through the Cold War without an exchange of fire with either the USSR or China or both. I didn't believe that humans would be wiped out, like was stated so often, but I figured we'd be pushed back a couple thousand years and those that did survive would essentially start all over again. I was very surprised when the Cold War came to an end, as it did.

By the way, I think some of you may have read or heard this one from other sources, but it is very true: The Cold War was only cold for diplomats.

And a very strange thing I wish to add is that I think I do know a way we can get ourselves out of this darn military-option-only loop we have gotten ourselves into. I'm in the process elsewhere of spilling that out very slowly and am just hoping I get it all out for everyone to study before this darn cancer finally gets me. What little I have leaked out on some other sites around the Net has confirmed one important point, most folks think I'm nuts when I start to head down that path. But no problem. In fact, I could very well be nuts, but somebody has to try. It's all well and good to complain about a problem, but eventually somebody has to come up with an answer. I stumbled into a possible answer quite by accident about 15 or so years ago. I actually didn't realize I had a possible answer until about 5 or so years after the whole thing started. Funny, I didn't know I was going to spill this information here on this site, in this community. I stumbled into this community quite by accident. I've got quite a history on the Net. Many people know me, but don't know who I am, in one way to put it. Once they realize I am serious the reaction is either I am nuts, or they get very scared. It's the folks with certain amounts of money and power on the Net that get scared. Most other folks just view me as being really weird and probably not sane. I very much like that reaction. The ones that get scared usually get me away. The list of bannings I have behind me is amazing. Even the then president of the ISOC banned me from writing my ideas to ISOC members on the ISOC site. He couldn't outright take my membership away, but he could stop me from using their platforms to communicate my ideas. My wife wishes I'd just leave the rest of the humans on this planet alone and concentrate on staying alive and relaxing in my last year or so. In fact, this very paragraph would make her very angry. Lucky we have a couple homes where we can each hide from each other for a spell, off and on.

Yep, you've got to trouble yourselves to find answers after you've identified the problem. We humans have to come up with a new system. The Good Lord helps those who help themselves, so don't expect handouts of knowledge from that source either.


All those words, a rambling discourse on how people think you're must be a nut bar is nut bar behavior.

You had me with SAC, our shared experiences in the Cuban missile crisis (I was a pre-teen in Canada about ten days. Love to talk to you about that and what I have learned about Kennedy et al since). That possibility was squandered by perfectly proving your own diagnoses/suspicion.

It's the classic spewing of every nut bar I've ever encountered....you claim knowledge no one else on the planet has but for fear of being seen as a nut bar you act exactly like a nut bar.

In all, I get a sense that if you really did have an idea to bring universal peace to the planet, you would have shared it with someone by now.
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"It's a mild insult, that. I think I know how to end wars forever but I won't tell you because you'll I'm nuts." Yeah, that's insulting
 
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