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Why do the godless disproportunately influence USA government and education?

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Why do the godless disproportunately influence USA government and education and seems the rest of us don't count?

In 2012 Pew study reported that 23% of Americans who affiliated with a religion were not religious. So there is some ambiguity in the poll figures.
Religious affiliated were 79% of the population, and the unaffiliated were 19.6%, including 6% "atheist" or "agnostic".

So how is it prayer is outlawed in schools? Psuedo-science failed and long disproven theories taught as FACTS! With no rebuttal permitted.
founding principles of the USA like God given rights sneered at?

How did 6% of the population get their agenda preached daily to our kids and the rest of us don't seem to have any say in the matter?
 
yobarnacle said:
Why do the godless disproportunately influence USA government and education and seems the rest of us don't count?

In 2012 Pew study reported that 23% of Americans who affiliated with a religion were not religious. So there is some ambiguity in the poll figures.
Religious affiliated were 79% of the population, and the unaffiliated were 19.6%, including 6% "atheist" or "agnostic".

So how is it prayer is outlawed in schools? Psuedo-science failed and long disproven theories taught as FACTS! With no rebuttal permitted.
founding principles of the USA like God given rights sneered at?

How did 6% of the population get their agenda preached daily to our kids and the rest of us don't seem to have any say in the matter?
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Speaking as a believer: because government and public school education should be secular. We are not a nation of Papists.
 
clownboy said:
Speaking as a believer: because government and public school education should be secular. We are not a nation of Papists.
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What SHOULD secular mean? I agree public education should not be under control of any religious body.
But to disallow all religious discussion or observance while deliberately teaching/preaching ANTI-GOD lies, is not objective or open minded.
Apparently secular has been perverted and come to mean the "random materialistic universe philosophy" indoctrination.
 
TheNextEra said:
Prayer is not outlawed in schools. The only thing outlawed is forcing others to pray with you.
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that depends on the school. But how about teaching of failed pet theories of atheists and materialist philosophers, not even as scientific theories, (which they once were but are no longer valid), but teaching them as established FACTS with no dissent permitted?
 
yobarnacle said:
that depends on the school. But how about teaching of failed pet theories of atheists and materialist philosophers, not even as scientific theories, (which they once were but are no longer valid), but teaching them as established FACTS with no dissent permitted?
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I know of no such things, perhaps you would like to supply specific detailed examples? BTW there is NO school that outlaws a student to pray themselves unless you want to show such a school with proof.
 
yobarnacle said:
What SHOULD secular mean? I agree public education should not be under control of any religious body.
But to disallow all religious discussion or observance while deliberately teaching/preaching ANTI-GOD lies, is not objective or open minded.
Apparently secular has been perverted and come to mean the "random materialistic universe philosophy" indoctrination.
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I'm fine with allowing prayer in schools (not requiring, allowing) as long as it's not distraction from the real purpose of the school - education. If you think your public school is teaching lies, then you need to start attending the school board meetings and take the issue up. If others don't agree with you, there are some mighty fine and affordable private schools.
 
Satan is the prince and power of the air, he has influence over the world and prior to the end times the world will be in widespread wickedness.
 
digsbe said:
Satan is the prince and power of the air, he has influence over the world and prior to the end times the world will be in widespread wickedness.
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Yeah, because we don't force others to pray with you, its the end of the world. :roll:
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, because we don't force others to pray with you, its the end of the world. :roll:
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It's more so evident in culture and the turning away from God in favor of the flesh. It's very evident in how we've fallen when it comes to the family unit, sexual ethics and the population turning away from God and following flesh. America is becoming more wicked and it appears that the world as a whole is too. That's to be expected though.
 
digsbe said:
It's more so evident in culture and the turning away from God in favor of the flesh. It's very evident in how we've fallen when it comes to the family unit, sexual ethics and the population turning away from God and following flesh. America is becoming more wicked and it appears that the world as a whole is too. That's to be expected though.
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Well you should leave the country as soon as you can since it is all godless.
 
TheNextEra said:
Well you should leave the country as soon as you can since it is all godless.
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Haha and go where? And why should I leave? God doesn't call us to only live among a majority, on the contrary we are supposed to endure persecution and share the truth of God with others wherever God calls us to live.
 
TheNextEra said:
I know of no such things, perhaps you would like to supply specific detailed examples? BTW there is NO school that outlaws a student to pray themselves unless you want to show such a school with proof.
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I can't provide internet urls citing incidents, All I know of are verbal accounts, not worth repeating, what I heard someone else say they heard from a school child.
Part of my reason for posting the prayer part of topic was to solicit any accounts of incidents.
 
yobarnacle said:
I can't provide internet urls citing incidents, All I know of are verbal accounts, not worth repeating, what I heard someone else say they heard from a school child.
Part of my reason for posting the prayer part of topic was to solicit any accounts of incidents.
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so basically no proof at all, got it. Sorry but what you heard is not evidence. BTW If a public school outlawed ALL individual prayer, it would be on the news and you could provide a URL example as it would be ALL over the internet.
 
TheNextEra said:
so basically no proof at all, got it. Sorry but what you heard is not evidence. BTW If a public school outlawed ALL individual prayer, it would be on the news and you could provide a URL example as it would be ALL over the internet.
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I believe you are correct. Schools generally don't rise up en-mass to repress a student, but a single teacher, one on one with a student, in private. No witnesses. reflects the accounts I heard. But I'm happy to wait for anybody to post an incident they know personally of.
 
yobarnacle said:
I believe you are correct. Schools generally don't rise up en-mass to repress a student, but a single teacher, one on one with a student, in private. No witnesses. reflects the accounts I heard. But I'm happy to wait for anybody to post an incident they know personally of.
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a teacher one on one, of course there are always bad apples in every group. Just look at Catholics. Just because a few decide to molest kids doesn't mean though that the entire catholic religion is at fault. Although I would argue the celibacy is a problem with priests which can contribute to that factor.

However that doesn't make it an epidemic.
 
I can source "the LIES" charge.

"John Dewey, remembered for his efforts in establishing America's current educational systems, was one of the chief signers of the 1933 Humanist Manifesto. It seems the Humanists have been interested in America's education system for nearly a century. They have been absolutely successful in teaching children that God is imaginary and contrary to "science." Secular Humanism - Main Tool is Evolutionary Thought Secular Humanism is manifested in Evolutionary Theory. To satisfy the fundamental question of "Where did we come from?" children are taught the doctrine of Evolution. - See more at: Secular Humanism


"Yet Evolution has not been proved. In fact, it seems that the Theory of Evolution is contrary to established science. George Wald, another prominent Evolutionist (a Harvard University biochemist and Nobel Laureate), wrote, "When it comes to the Origin of Life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!" ("The Origin of Life," Scientific American, 191:48, May 1954). - See more at: Secular Humanism

Louis Pasteur proved spontaneous generation false 5 years after publication of Darwins 'origen of Species' which is predicated on spontaneous generation.
Discovery that the genes passed on hereditary information disproved the 'acquired atributes' notion of Darwin.
The probability of one protein molecule accidentally assembling itself is mathematically demonstrable as 1 in 10 power 164 chance.
The 'BIG BANG' supposedly 15 billion years ago, was only 10 power 16 seconds ago.
 
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yobarnacle said:
I can't provide internet urls citing incidents, All I know of are verbal accounts, not worth repeating, what I heard someone else say they heard from a school child.
Part of my reason for posting the prayer part of topic was to solicit any accounts of incidents.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
 
yobarnacle said:
Why do the godless disproportunately influence USA government and education and seems the rest of us don't count?

In 2012 Pew study reported that 23% of Americans who affiliated with a religion were not religious. So there is some ambiguity in the poll figures.
Religious affiliated were 79% of the population, and the unaffiliated were 19.6%, including 6% "atheist" or "agnostic".

So how is it prayer is outlawed in schools? Psuedo-science failed and long disproven theories taught as FACTS! With no rebuttal permitted.
founding principles of the USA like God given rights sneered at?

How did 6% of the population get their agenda preached daily to our kids and the rest of us don't seem to have any say in the matter?
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It's your fault. You're not trying hard enough. What will you say to God when He asks you why you let this happen?
 
yobarnacle said:
Why do the godless disproportunately influence USA government and education and seems the rest of us don't count?

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Simple. Government isn't about religion. Nor should it be. Your religion has no business in the public sector. Just because you may well be in the majority, (even though Christians can't agree on Christianity anyway) doesn't mean you can ram your faith down the throat of those who do not believe.
 
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