Why do the Democrats keep losing ground?

[Ahlevah]

Author, consultant, and geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan thinks the Democratic Party is going to keep losing elections:



Question: “Is there a future for the Democratic Party?”

Short Answer: “Probably not.”

Key Points:

1. Traditional Democratic collations are falling apart. New ones, such as those it’s building with LGBTQ folks, aren’t resonating with the larger public.

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political right.

3. As we saw in the last election, dislike for Trump can’t be counted on either.

Let me note that this guy is no MAGA lover either.

 

[Jredbaron96]

After 2008 a fair number of people were convinced the GOP was no more.

4 years is a long time. Democrats may very easily sink even further, but I learned a while ago not to bet money on politics.

 

[Deuce]

Author, consultant, and geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan thinks the Democratic Party is going to keep losing elections:



Question: “Is there a future for the Democratic Party?”

Short Answer: “Probably not.”

Key Points:

1. Traditional Democratic collations are falling apart. New ones, such as those it’s building with LGBTQ folks, aren’t resonating with the larger public.

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political right.

3. As we saw in the last election, dislike for Trump can’t be counted on either.

Let me note that this guy is no MAGA lover either.

"The other party is dead!"

A claim that definitely hasn't come up after every single election.

 

[Gozaburo]

1. Traditional Democratic collations are falling apart. New ones, such as those it’s building with LGBTQ folks, aren’t resonating with the larger public.

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political right.

3. As we saw in the last election, dislike for Trump can’t be counted on either.

A lot of this is true. It turns out that immigrants from the global south have very illiberal ideas about governance and really only voted for liberals out of self-interested resource allocation instead of any true alignment on moral and social values. Shocker!

Trump fundamentally shifted this paradigm by being the first "Caudillo". He lacks the politeness of Anglo politics and the sophistication and intellectual base of the European strongmen regimes. He's a banal populist selling pig slop to the deserving masses, which you find is the case in many fragmented nations in Center & South America.

Democrats lose because they're too polite and they're quickly becoming an anachronism. They conduct politics as if they were running against Mitt Romney. The problem with this should be obvious.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Author, consultant, and geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan thinks the Democratic Party is going to keep losing elections:



Question: “Is there a future for the Democratic Party?”

Short Answer: “Probably not.”

Key Points:

1. Traditional Democratic collations are falling apart. New ones, such as those it’s building with LGBTQ folks, aren’t resonating with the larger public.

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political right.

3. As we saw in the last election, dislike for Trump can’t be counted on either.

Let me note that this guy is no MAGA lover either.

This is all so stupid. The GOP wins an election after losing every election since 2016 - 2020 and everyone in the media takes the myth that this is the beginning of some 1000 year reign. And his premise - anti trump sentiment - as usual leaves out the part that it's not about trump's personality. it's his policies. If we hit a recession. Trump and the GOP are toast. They own every Inch of the economy now, they own every hit, every failure. no where to turn.

The very idea that in our cyclical 24 hours news cycle culture that the GOP is now locked into leadership is just fascist propaganda and gaslighting.

 

[Napoleon]

Because today’s Democrats never pass up an opportunity to shoot themselves in the face.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Author, consultant, and geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan thinks the Democratic Party is going to keep losing elections:



Question: “Is there a future for the Democratic Party?”

Short Answer: “Probably not.”

Key Points:

1. Traditional Democratic collations are falling apart. New ones, such as those it’s building with LGBTQ folks, aren’t resonating with the larger public.

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political right.

3. As we saw in the last election, dislike for Trump can’t be counted on either.

Let me note that this guy is no MAGA lover either.

The reality is that they have worked out the bolded and they have been attempting to replace those voters through illegal immigration on steroids.

 

[The Brad Dad]

The reality is that they have worked out the bolded and they have been attempting to replace those voters through illegal immigration on steroids.

Who are Democrats replacing hispanic voters with? Republicans were just insisting last year that its' hispanics Dems were replacing white voters with? Is this like how we keep forgetting to turn on the rigging machines every other year? LOLOLOL

 

[j brown's body]

Dems need to show they stand for something and others should support them for it.

Trump's deportations are wildly unpopular. Are you hearing any alternative from the Dems? I'm not.

 

[The Brad Dad]

2. The demographic groups Democrats expected to be in their corner, including young people and Hispanics, can’t be counted on to support them. In fact. they are moving to the political righ

Yet recent polling suggests Trump's momentum is fading. Newsweek's analysis of major surveys since April shows his approval among Hispanic and Latino voters has dropped to 40 percent, with 56 percent disapproving—down from March averages of 43 percent approval and 54 percent disapproval. YouGov's data mirrors this trend, showing Trump's net approval plummeting from -12 in January to -32 in May.

Donald Trump is losing support with Hispanics

The 2024 election saw Trump make substantial gains among the Hispanic community. But polls now suggest he is hemorrhaging support from these voters.

www.newsweek.com

Polling is not static. The person speaking in the OP sounds kind of like a moron, tbh.

 

[Greenbeard]

It's been two and a half years since they had full control of government and control of the House currently hinges on which party's geezer members die sooner. But yeah, I suppose the Dems are in extinction territory.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It's been two and a half years since they had full control of government and control of the House currently hinges on which party's geezer members die sooner. But yeah, I suppose the Dems are in extinction territory.

Fascists try to make their rule look inevitable.

 

[Pyrite]

Fascists try to make their rule look inevitable.

"Fascists try to make their rule look inevitable."

Excellent point.

 

[Ahlevah]

Democrats lose because they're too polite and they're quickly becoming an anachronism. They conduct politics as if they were running against Mitt Romney. The problem with this should be obvious.

I’ve heard Democrats called a lot of things, but “polite” isn’t one of them.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I’ve heard Democrats called a lot of things, but “polite” isn’t one of them.

Oh, Dems have been entirely too civil. We live in an asymmetrical war in which Republicans have no limit to the shamelessness and hypocrisy but the media bakes in that expectation so it's never highlighted or called out.

 

[Ahlevah]

If we hit a recession. Trump and the GOP are toast. They own every Inch of the economy now, they own every hit, every failure. no where to turn.

One point Democrats missed when they were focused on Palestinians and trumpeting Joe’s “booming” economy was working-class Americans were already in recession. Gig economy jobs helped, but prices for most goods and services are still considerably above where they were pre-pandemic even as inflation hasn’t disappeared. Life is still a struggle for the bottom 40% of households. They really didn’t like being lied to by Democrats while wealthy coastal tower dwellers and suburbanites enjoyed their stock market and crypto millions.

 

[The Brad Dad]

One point Democrats missed when they were focused on Palestinians and trumpeting Joe’s “booming” economy was working-class Americans were already in recession. Gig economy jobs helped, but prices for most goods and services are still considerably above where they were pre-pandemic even as inflation hasn’t disappeared. Life is still a struggle for the bottom 40% of households. They really didn’t like being lied to by Democrats while wealthy coastal tower dwellers and suburbanites enjoyed their stock market and crypto millions.

…so they turned to…Donald Trump and tariffs? Yeah, don’t buy it.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

"People are saying"

I guess YouTube is one of those "do your research" portals we're always vaguely and unnamedly being asked to go to for real news.

 

[Ahlevah]

Polling is not static. The person speaking in the OP sounds kind of like a moron, tbh.

If he is a moron, he’s a filthy rich one. Before starting his own geopolitical forecasting, consulting, and analytics firm, Zeihan was a vice president at geopolitical intelligence firm Stratfor. He gets paid $50,000 to $100,000 to speak at corporate summits, government briefings, financial conferences, and academic forums all over the world. He can make $30,000 to $50,000 talking into a remote camera and microphone. His YouTube channel is more like a hobby simply because he likes communicating his ideas with people. He’s an avid hiker, and usually makes videos while on one one of his hikes or walks. He’s like a globetrotting Waldo. You never know where this guy is going to turn up.

 

[Ahlevah]

"People are saying"

I guess YouTube is one of those "do your research" portals we're always vaguely and unnamedly being asked to go to for real news.

This is one guy the “real news” people consult and seek comment from on occasion. So I figured I might as well cut out the middleman.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

This is one guy the “real news” people consult and seek comment from on occasion. So I figured I might as well cut out the middleman.

This guy people consult and seek comment from on occasion is begging for donations through his Patreon.

He is also apparently known in the literary world for his gloom-and-doom style, plus excluding various factors in order to make his points. Even he has had to write corrections into his books.

But you can find more people who fit the narrative. Also people who are the direct opposite but they're not as exciting or newsworthy, I'm guessing.

Critics of Peter Zeihan’s analysis argue that while his assessments are supported by strong arguments and data,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> they often take a deterministic approach to demographic and geopolitical trends.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:1-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:3-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a> Some scholars contend that this perspective underestimates other significant factors, such as technological advancements, geopolitical shifts, and socio-cultural changes.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:1-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>

A common critique is that Zeihan’s scenarios assume inevitability, disregarding the unpredictability of global events and technological innovation.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:1-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>

Some analysts argue that Zeihan does not fully account for factors like increased longevity and productivity, particularly in his assessments of economic and demographic sustainability.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:1-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> For instance, his projections regarding China’s decline have been criticized for not considering potential reforms in pension systems and government fiscal policies.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-:3-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a>

In the 2023 update of his book The Accidental Superpower, Zeihan added an appendix to each chapter of the original 2013 edition, evaluating the accuracy of his earlier predictions. Among other notes, he acknowledged that he underestimated the role of Canadian national identity in Alberta’s political alignment and overestimated Russia’s military capabilities.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a>

 

[multivita-man]

A lot of this is true. It turns out that immigrants from the global south have very illiberal ideas about governance and really only voted for liberals out of self-interested resource allocation instead of any true alignment on moral and social values. Shocker!

Trump fundamentally shifted this paradigm by being the first "Caudillo". He lacks the politeness of Anglo politics and the sophistication and intellectual base of the European strongmen regimes. He's a banal populist selling pig slop to the deserving masses, which you find is the case in many fragmented nations in Center & South America.

Democrats lose because they're too polite and they're quickly becoming an anachronism. They conduct politics as if they were running against Mitt Romney. The problem with this should be obvious.

The Democrats bet on the inevitability of demographics, which is what the 2013 Republican 'post-mortem' advised Republicans to do. Instead, the Republicans launched a counter-revolution, and they've won more than they've lost since. But what has really changed is that what Republicans do once they are in power has raised the stakes for winning and losing. The Democrats, to date, have no answer. It's not just winning, but what you they when they win, what they do with that majority and administrative power, that matters.

 

[Isidore]

They really didn’t like being lied to by Democrats while wealthy coastal tower dwellers and suburbanites enjoyed their stock market and crypto millions.

Perhaps, under those circumstances, they prefer to be lied to by Trump since he does it with such ease.

"Because of Tariffs, our Economy is BOOMING!"​

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"There is NO INFLATION"​

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"Since the election, the stock market has surged"​

 

[OpportunityCost]

He is pointing out the former pillars of the Democratic party are eroding. They haven't formed a new coalition yet. Party leadership probably isn't sitting still and watching trends, they are trying to make them. I have some news for you, Schumer, Clinton, and Pelosi are not the future of the party. I would almost bet money Obama is looking over the rank and file for someone a lot like himself to move the party forward despite his leadership taking some hits. I feel he is the most likely party to find that new coalition and make it work.

I dislike the man, I dislike his policies, he is undeniably one hell of a politician.

 

[Lycanthrope]

BECUZ TACO IZ JUST SO GOSH DURNED STAR SPANGLED AWESOME!