Why do so many Libertarians ally themselves with the Alt-Right?

[Yes_Minister]

I never said a single thing about racism......and you didn't answer my question.

I am asking where the line is. There is a lot wiggle room between actual 100% pure Christian and an atheist pretending to be Christian.

What if someone is a Muslim, secretly eats pork, but maintained the faith in all other ways, would the pork eating negate everything else?

 

[NolanVoyd]

By that standard virtually no one is a libertarian.

True. The percentage of people that are liberatarians is tiny.

But answer this.

If I don't believe in God and think the Bible is fiction.........but call myself a Christian, am I a christian?

 

[NolanVoyd]

I am asking where the line is.

Well, for christianity believing in God and believing the Bible is the word of God is key. Without that you aren't Christian.

For liberatarians, if you think the government should be telling people what they can and cannot do in terms of abortion, drugs, prostitution, travel, (freedom of movement) etc. Then you ARE NOT a liberatarian, regardless of what you call yourself.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Well, for christianity believing in God and believing the Bible is the word of God is key. Without that you aren't Christian.

For liberatarians, if you think the government should be telling people what they can and cannot do in terms of abortion, drugs, prostitution, travel, (freedom of movement) etc. Then you ARE NOT a liberatarian, regardless of what you call yourself.

Can someone promote Antismetic theories and be a Libertarian?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Why do so many Libertarians ally themselves with the Alt-Right?

I have seen plenty of examples of Libertarians allying with the alt-right or Libertarians becoming alt-right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/19/libertarians-have-more-in-common-with-the-alt-right-than-they-want-you-to-think/

The Insidious Libertarian-to-Alt-Right Pipeline

Is it just a phase they go through—or is there something about libertarianism that attracts, well, uh, you know, racist kooks?

www.thedailybeast.com

Ron Paul Becomes Latest Republican to Post Literal Nazi Content

Paul blamed "a staff member" for tweeting the racist caricatures.

slate.com

Mises Caucus: Could It Sway the Libertarian Party to the Hard Right?

Members of the of the Libertarian Party (LP) are concerned about the Mises Caucus (MC) winning control of the party at the May 26 national convention, ushering in an era of collaboration between the U.S.’s largest third party and the hard-right movement inside the Republican Party.

www.splcenter.org

Stefan Molyneux

A libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies "scientific racism," eugenics and white supremacism to a massive new audience, Stefan Molyneux operates within the racist so-called “alt-right” and pro-Trump ranks.

www.splcenter.org

Seems like many Libertarians are willing to look the other way as the alt-right goes after marginalized people or even worse egg them on, if the alt-right helps them with tax cuts, gun rights and owning the libs. That's pretty corrupt and makes all their talk of freedom seem hollow.

I want Libertarians to actually address this, not attack the sources or try to change the subject or try to argue Stefan Molyneux or freaking Ron Paul don't count as Libertarians. If Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, they should apply it to themselves first.

Have you ever considered that the far left, apparently you fall in that category, now even consider moderate left as conservative?

Libertarians are all about freedom, and you guys have gone full blow authoritarian. Constantly trying to take freedoms away from others through force of law and demeaning those who disagree with you.

I don't think it's not any intent to alight with the alt-right,m but rather they have things in common that the far left hate.

 

[Hamish Howl]

"Libertarian" is the single broadest brush in American politics. They run the full range from anarchists to alt-right shitbags, with the normal ones being somewhere closer to Eisenhower.

The way you can usually tell the difference is whether they identify as a fiscal libertarian or a social libertarian. The fiscal libertarians don't understand why roads need to exist, etc, and the social libertarians just want the government to leave people alone if they're not hurting anyone.

It's also worth mentioning that if you scratch a fiscal libertarian, you always find an authoritarian.

 

[The Mark]

Why do so many Libertarians ally themselves with the Alt-Right?

I have seen plenty of examples of Libertarians allying with the alt-right or Libertarians becoming alt-right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/19/libertarians-have-more-in-common-with-the-alt-right-than-they-want-you-to-think/

The Insidious Libertarian-to-Alt-Right Pipeline

Is it just a phase they go through—or is there something about libertarianism that attracts, well, uh, you know, racist kooks?

www.thedailybeast.com

Ron Paul Becomes Latest Republican to Post Literal Nazi Content

Paul blamed "a staff member" for tweeting the racist caricatures.

slate.com

Mises Caucus: Could It Sway the Libertarian Party to the Hard Right?

Members of the of the Libertarian Party (LP) are concerned about the Mises Caucus (MC) winning control of the party at the May 26 national convention, ushering in an era of collaboration between the U.S.’s largest third party and the hard-right movement inside the Republican Party.

www.splcenter.org

Stefan Molyneux

A libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies "scientific racism," eugenics and white supremacism to a massive new audience, Stefan Molyneux operates within the racist so-called “alt-right” and pro-Trump ranks.

www.splcenter.org

Seems like many Libertarians are willing to look the other way as the alt-right goes after marginalized people or even worse egg them on, if the alt-right helps them with tax cuts, gun rights and owning the libs. That's pretty corrupt and makes all their talk of freedom seem hollow.

I want Libertarians to actually address this, not attack the sources or try to change the subject or try to argue Stefan Molyneux or freaking Ron Paul don't count as Libertarians. If Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, they should apply it to themselves first.

Because they agree on more than they want to admit.

After all, with limited rules comes freedom to be a bigot, sexist, and racist.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Have you ever considered that the far left, apparently you fall in that category, now even consider moderate left as conservative?

Libertarians are all about freedom, and you guys have gone full blow authoritarian. Constantly trying to take freedoms away from others through force of law and demeaning those who disagree with you.

I don't think it's not any intent to alight with the alt-right,m but rather they have things in common that the far left hate.

What is Stefan Molyneaux then? Do you ally with him because your hatred of the Left will override any concern over his theories on race science?

Stefan Molyneux

A libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies "scientific racism," eugenics and white supremacism to a massive new audience, Stefan Molyneux operates within the racist so-called “alt-right” and pro-Trump ranks.

www.splcenter.org

Do you think there are no right-wing authoritarians? Are rights-wingers so good and pure that they can never be authoritarians?

Don't we have at least one board member who worships Franco, is that guy, not an authoritarian? @EMNofSeattle,

 

[NolanVoyd]

Can someone promote Antismetic theories and be a Libertarian?

Libertarianism is about keeping government out of peoples lives.

It depends on what policies. If they are saying government should have laws restrictions. Etc then they are not liberatarian. If they are saying government has no business telling people what to do. And by the way "jews suck"....the latter is neither liberatarian or non liberatarian.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Why do so many Libertarians ally themselves with the Alt-Right?​

Perhaps they don't know what alt-right means and they say what they say and you have put them into box that fits your agenda.

It appears monumentally stupid that anyone can think libertarians identify with any controlling aspect of these associated with so many gropups considered the alt right.

Complete ignorance and stupidity for not trying to see the differences. I guess they don't see thier similarities with socialists, communists, etc.

I guess the left doesn't know better and thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them can bu shit on.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You don't have Google?

Alt-right - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So what Stefan Molyneux be? The Libertarian race science guy? Or the Qanon people who want to their political enemies killed, what are they?

Nice try with the Slick Wllie games, but that's a dodge, not am answer.

Funny how so much af wiki tries to link them. Wiki is an exceptionally bad source for accuracy of any issue contentious.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Libertarianism is about keeping government out of peoples lives.

It depends on what policies. If they are saying government should have laws restrictions. Etc then they are not liberatarian. If they are saying government has no business telling people what to do. And by the way "jews suck"....the latter is neither liberatarian or non liberatarian.

But you can be a Libertarian and hold racist views, which Ron Paul does. He is buying into the Nazi conspiracy theory about ''Cultural Marxism'' and ran a racist newspaper in the 90s. Because I have seen people try to claim Libertarians cannot be racist on this board, anyone who says that, might as well be saying Libertarians are perfect.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Funny how so much af wiki tries to link them. Wiki is an exceptionally bad source for accuracy of any issue contentious.

You can go to the links on the page dude. Do you want a Webster's quote or something or do you want to play Slick Willie word games?

 

[Lord of Planar]

What is Stefan Molyneaux then? Do you ally with him because your hatred of the Left will override any concern over his theories on race science?

Stefan Molyneux

A libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies "scientific racism," eugenics and white supremacism to a massive new audience, Stefan Molyneux operates within the racist so-called “alt-right” and pro-Trump ranks.

www.splcenter.org

Do you think there are no right-wing authoritarians? Are rights-wingers so good and pure that they can never be authoritarians?

Don't we have at least one board member who worships Franco, is that guy, not an authoritarian? @EMNofSeattle,

Are people so stupid as to think that one person represents all?

Does that mean that a corrupt cop taking drugs from criminals and selling it represent all cops?

Does that mean that president Clinton sleeping with interns mean all presidents do?

This broad brush stroke of accustions the left constantly uses if far more damaging that a few bad examples of people in general.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Are people so stupid as to think that one person represents all?

Does that mean that a corrupt cop taking drugs from criminals and selling it represent all cops?

Does that mean that president Clinton sleeping with interns mean all presidents do?

This broad brush stroke of accustions the left constantly uses if far more damaging that a few bad examples of people in general.

You want to paint the left with a giant brush.

It's not one person, that's just an example, though that guy was popular

What about all the Qanon guys who want their political enemies killed or Christian Nationalists who want to impose their religion on others, what are they?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Well, for christianity believing in God and believing the Bible is the word of God is key. Without that you aren't Christian.

For liberatarians, if you think the government should be telling people what they can and cannot do in terms of abortion, drugs, prostitution, travel, (freedom of movement) etc. Then you ARE NOT a liberatarian, regardless of what you call yourself.

That is absolutely not true, showing bias and bigotry on your part, and very, very ignorant to think.

Libertarians do understand a limited government and laws are necessary. To think otherwise simply proves you are speaking on a topic you fail to understand. You will find most libertarians are against unecessary laws and regulations.

Libertarians come is so many types of people and beliefs. It would never be a libertarian policy to make laws on abortion, as individuals believe differently. In general, libertarians believe in doing as you wish, as long as it doesn't harm others. Abortion is an example of where some believe there is nothing but unwanted tissue in the woman's body, to those who believe abortion advocates are murdering innocent life, and in between. If you ever read the librarian platform, you would see it is neutral on the topic. Similar things apply to the other topics you mention.

From my viewpoint, it is typical that lefties like you are so indoctrinated to believe that everyone must all believe the same on politicized issues. What ever happened to understanding the differences and celebrate the differences in people and cultures, when all you guys ever do is show bigotry and hate against those you disagree with?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Can someone promote Antismetic theories and be a Libertarian?

Why are you so attached to labeling people?

 

[NolanVoyd]

But you can be a Libertarian and hold racist views, which Ron Paul does. He is buying into the Nazi conspiracy theory about ''Cultural Marxism'' and ran a racist newspaper in the 90s. Because I have seen people try to claim Libertarians cannot be racist on this board, anyone who says that, might as well be saying Libertarians are perfect.

Libertarianism is about what government can and cannot do.

Racism is about your attitude towards groups of people based on racial/cultural traits.

It's apples and oranges.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Why are you so attached to labeling people?

I keep on hearing about fake Liberatians on this thread, so I am asking is Ron Paul is one after this:

Ron Paul Becomes Latest Republican to Post Literal Nazi Content

Paul blamed "a staff member" for tweeting the racist caricatures.

slate.com

 

[NolanVoyd]

That is absolutely not true, showing bias and bigotry on your part, and very, very ignorant to think.

Yet the liberatarian platform calls for open borders, no restrictions on abortion prostitution and drugs.

 

[Lord of Planar]

What is Stefan Molyneaux then? Do you ally with him because your hatred of the Left will override any concern over his theories on race science?

Stefan Molyneux

A libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies "scientific racism," eugenics and white supremacism to a massive new audience, Stefan Molyneux operates within the racist so-called “alt-right” and pro-Trump ranks.

www.splcenter.org

I never heard of him till now. I have no opinion. Did someone indoctrinate you to hate him?

Do you think there are no right-wing authoritarians? Are rights-wingers so good and pure that they can never be authoritarians?

Surte there are. So? What does that have to do with this thread?

Don't we have at least one board member who worships Franco, is that guy, not an authoritarian? @EMNofSeattle,

Another person I never heard of. Is this a thread about libertarians, or just a way of calling out those you hate?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Libertarianism is about what government can and cannot do.

Racism is about your attitude towards groups of people based on racial/cultural traits.

It's apples and oranges.

You are misunderstanding my point, I understand your point, but I have seen people on here say that Libertarians can't be racist, that is a "No True Scotsman'' argument.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I never heard of him till now. I have no opinion. Did someone indoctrinate you to hate him?

Nobody has to be indoctrinated to hate Molyneux.

He's the world's biggest ****.

 

[Lord of Planar]

But you can be a Libertarian and hold racist views, which Ron Paul does. He is buying into the Nazi conspiracy theory about ''Cultural Marxism'' and ran a racist newspaper in the 90s. Because I have seen people try to claim Libertarians cannot be racist on this board, anyone who says that, might as well be saying Libertarians are perfect.

Considering the left ca;ll;s anything thy can racist, just how credible are your words? I would say zero. Have any proof he holds racist views, because for all my life I have ever heard him speak, I never got that impression.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You can go to the links on the page dude. Do you want a Webster's quote or something or do you want to play Slick Willie word games?

You should have gone to them as a source instead of wiki.

I'll bet you never did to assess the credibility of wiki.