Why do so many Christians act in most un-Christ like manner?

[Mighty Jungle]

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You can't even cite ONE fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels. You're a DILETTANTE.

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Nuts. There's plenty of Christians worldwide in other countries.

I can provide plenty of information on your fake religion. I choose not to because, like Toxic Traitor's victims, it just bounces off your heads.

Church planting to spread that bullsh!t isn't logical because you all pretend that your sky daddy won't punish innocent babies or people that never had the opportunity to learn about his "love". That's the polar opposite of your ridiculous point and alleged purpose.

The point is your imaginary friend doesn't exist and it doesn't ow many share that delusion that will ever make it true.

 

[mrjurrs]

Why do so many American Christians act in most un-Christ like ways? Starting with one of the best known issues is that American Christians support public prayer at sports events, town meetings, on TV, and complain that Christian prayers were taken out of public schools But the being they say they worship had other ideas about public prayer

Matthew 6:5-6 NRSV
5 “And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

I would venture to say that the majority of American Christians support violent self defence. They also often express opposition to government aid for the homeless and needy

Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

American Christians bitch and moan about Sleepy Joe's open borders and allowing homeless people to clutter roads and streets in the 'their' cities and towns.

Matthew 25:34 & 43-46 KJV
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

for

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Many American Christians who view themselves as conservative are constantly ranting about socialised medicine and how it takes money away from those who have earned it.

Matthew 10:8-9 NET
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
9 Do not take gold, silver, or copper in your belts


So, tell the curious – Why do so many Christians not only act in un-Christ like manner, they actively oppose the efforts of others who are trying to follow the rules of Jesus?
Is a preacher with a private jet, a multi-million dollar estate, holidays at expensive resorts act in a Christ-like manner? Is a preacher calling for the execution of gays, the subservience of women and the imposition of their faith on all Americans acting in a Christ-like manner?

Because they are not Christian.

 

[DrewPaul]

Why do so many American Christians act in most un-Christ like ways? Starting with one of the best known issues is that American Christians support public prayer at sports events, town meetings, on TV, and complain that Christian prayers were taken out of public schools But the being they say they worship had other ideas about public prayer

You realize its not easy to live up the Christian standard true as taught in the NT? The sermon on the MT calls for the highest moral values. I assume you believe these are really good values or you would prefer Christians didn't live up to them correct? If they are good moral values and help people get along and provide for each other than everyone should try to abide by them right? Do you believe the golden rule is a good moral to live by? Have you ever failed to live up to it?

Personally I haven't been involved in organized religion for many years for many reasons. I can tell you I have met people who in fact to the best of their ability live by the NT. Not many of them but there are some. There are many folks who go into a ministry to help people who have the talent and education to make more money elsewhere. They believe in the cause.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I can provide plenty of information on your fake religion. I choose not to because, like Toxic Traitor's victims, it just bounces off your heads.

Church planting to spread that bullsh!t isn't logical because you all pretend that your sky daddy won't punish innocent babies or people that never had the opportunity to learn about his "love". That's the polar opposite of your ridiculous point and alleged purpose.

The point is your imaginary friend doesn't exist and it doesn't ow many share that delusion that will ever make it true.

Oh ye of little faith!

 

[Logicman]

I can provide plenty of information on your fake religion. I choose not to because, like Toxic Traitor's victims, it just bounces off your heads

You don't have any evidence Christianity is fake. If you had any you would have presented it.

That's because you're a liberal and haven't done your homework to know either way.

 

[Logicman]

The point is your imaginary friend doesn't exist.

You have zero evidence Jesus is imaginary.

 

[Gordy327]

You have zero evidence Jesus is imaginary.

You have zero evidence he was resurrected or performed miracles.

 

[Somerville]

Nuts. All you have are logical fallacies - arguments from silence

HA HA!! All you have are logical fallacies - arguments from documents written by unknown authors at unknown times

Nonsense. The points he makes stand on the evidences he provides.

Wallace provides zero evidence, only claims made for the past couple centuries, often ones contradicted by early documents.

It's not funny at all. Skeptics like you denied that Pontius Pilate even existed - that he was a "made-up" character. Largely because they couldn't find his records. Now they've had to eat crow.

I can't find any record after a library search and several academic sites that Pontius Pilate was said to be a "made-up character" by any scholar who has studied the Roman Empire - at least not since the early to mid 19th century.

 

[Mighty Jungle]

You have zero evidence Jesus is imaginary.

You have zero evidence that he's not.

 

[Mighty Jungle]

You don't have any evidence Christianity is fake. If you had any you would have presented it.

That's because you're a liberal and haven't done your homework to know either way.

Have you met your daily quota of insults?

First, I'm not a liberal. I'm just not a bigoted a jack@ss that hates everybody else and pretends to love an imaginary friend that tells them to love their neighbors.

Again, I'm positive my credentials are higher than yours. I just don't go around boasting about it.

And, I will repeat...I have no interests in proving your imaginary friend. You are the one that claims he exists. Prove it.

In case that concept is difficult, he's another example. Trump's "lawsuits" were dismissed in court because the onus to provide evidence is on the person making the claim. Like his fake "rigged election" is his imaginary friend. If you believe the bullsh!t you claim to believe, go all in and prove. it.

 

[Mighty Jungle]

Oh ye of little faith!

What do you think I should have faith in and why should I have faith in it?

 

[bomberfox]

Why do never Christians think they are an authority on Christianity?

Yeah its pretty weird to me. I dont have skin in the game so i dont go around determining who a real christian is.

 

[bomberfox]

The ongoing Jehovah Witness practice of the archaic/barbaric 'Two Witness Rule' = one of the "world's harmful practices" as it puts defenseless little children who may have been the victim of physical and/or sexual abuse at the hands of an abusive, sexually deviant adult, to be in a 'very' realistic position to be abused again and again, completely ruining that little child's life forever. Makes no sense whatsoever to not report a child's allegation of being abused 'directly' to the proper secular legal authorities for a proper secular legal investigation into the allegation, rather than not report it to proper legal authorities, who are actually trained to conduct such serious legal investigations, and allow the child to remain at risk for further abuse at the scene of the original crime. Always best to err on the side of caution when protecting any society's most valued, cherished, and vulnerable commodity; our children.

On top of this those elders have the power to turn their entire family against them if they try to get help outside the church.

 

[bomberfox]

There's been religious free speech cases galore over the decades. Go review the cases from the ACLJ for starters.



Nuts. Liberals don't learn from their screwups. The problem with Democrats / liberals is they have a real problem looking into the future to see the horrendous damage their policies do.

Do you remember when the liberals placed a 10% luxury tax on yacht sales ("get the rich")? What happened was the rich quit buying yachts, so the yacht manufacturers lost all kinds of money and the little guy who helped build the yachts got laid off. So it wasn't "get the rich," it was the liberals screwing the little guy - again.

Another prime example: The do-gooders in San Francisco decided to give $400 'welfare' checks to homeless people. Higher taxes helped pay for that. Help the poor, right? Well, next thing you know every vagrant in America (criminals too) began showing up in San Fran for a free ride. Crime went up, and the homeless were everywhere hitting on regular folks for money, etc., and engaging in criminal activities. The police finally had enough and told the libs they had to stop the madness, which they eventually did. Liberalism gone mad again.

Want to raise taxes on the corporations? Since all competitors will have their taxes raised, they’ll just raise their prices and pass it along to the little guy – the consumer. We’ll be paying the higher taxes for the corporations. The little guy gets screwed again. Or, corporations will leave America and operate out of lower tax countries. Common sense. Liberals don’t have it.

Tax the wealthy? A great many of them will move to whatever state or country gives them a better deal. Redistribute their wealth? Aryeh Spero noted, “It is America’s men and women of wealth, imbued with religious and civic responsibility, who have served as the greatest patrons of the civic infrastructure, be it hospitals, libraries, museums, the arts, or the charitable United Way. England once had those patrons, but they went away as redistribution of wealth came in.” The same thing will happen in America. Redistribution of Wealth is, at its core, a radical left-wing economic scheme centered in greed and covetousness for other people’s money, rather than exercising personal responsibility and initiative and earning it one’s self.

San Francisco reporter details “disaster’ of city’s ‘hotels for homeless’ program. ‘It’s pandemonium.

Excerpt: "You are talking drug-fueled parties, overdoses, deaths, people are being assaulted. You have sexual assaults going on, it is pandemonium...People are not just horrified, they are traumatized by what they see. You have mattresses that have feces on them, blood, hospital bands on the floor. What people are seeing is so horrible that they walk out and they say, 'I don't want to go back in there."

And they still think socialism works, lol.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-hotels-for-homeless-absolute-disaster

And the greatest fault of liberals is that for the most part, they haven't done any in-depth research on the historical Jesus. They're lazy. If you think otherwise how about you show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE ( 1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). PERSON, PLACE OR EVENT. Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your case with some kind of evidence or substantiation why it's fictitious. Please follow the instructions above. Let's see that bad boy.

If you cant pay 10% on your damn yact get the **** out of the country with your unpatriotic ass.

 

[Logician Man]

On top of this those elders have the power to turn their entire family against them if they try to get help outside the church.

Not only "do the elders have the power" - there are many personal testimonies to be found on youtube and elsewhere, that the JW elders do/have indeed "use/used that power" to turn family against family when a child reports allegation(s) of child abuse. Think about it for a moment. A religious doctrine/practice/dogma that does everything to protect the pedophiles, sexual deviants, and physical abusers of defenseless innocent children, but nothing whatsoever of any merit to protect the abused child. All the abuser has to do is deny the child's allegation of physical/sexual abuse, and the JW elders summarily dismiss the allegation, document the allegation, and hide the allegation from the police. Absolutely disgusting. It's all about saving face for the JW organization and avoiding negative publicity.

 

[CLAX1911]

Why do so many American Christians act in most un-Christ like ways? Starting with one of the best known issues is that American Christians support public prayer at sports events, town meetings, on TV, and complain that Christian prayers were taken out of public schools But the being they say they worship had other ideas about public prayer

Matthew 6:5-6 NRSV
5 “And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

It seems these verses make it clear why they do that. Because they want everyone to see. In a more modern concept, it's performative. Also people think doing it publicly will inspire more followers.

I would venture to say that the majority of American Christians support violent self defence. They also often express opposition to government aid for the homeless and needy

Government aid for the needy isn't charity, charity is charity. It's not good to take by force from some to distribute to others. That's what government does

Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

American Christians bitch and moan about Sleepy Joe's open borders and allowing homeless people to clutter roads and streets in the 'their' cities and towns.

Not helping homeless people and allowing criminals to enter the country illegally isn't Christians ministering. It's really just making the problem worse.

Basically you're asking why aren't Christians Democrats, many of them are. But we also know Democrats support some pretty nasty things. That guess against Christianity.

 

[Daisy]

Not only "do the elders have the power" - there are many personal testimonies to be found on youtube and elsewhere, that the JW elders do/have indeed "use that power" to turn family against family when a child reports allegation(s) of child abuse. Think about it for a moment. A religious doctrine/practice/dogma that does everything to protect the pedophiles, sexual deviants, and physical abusers of defenseless innocent children, but nothing whatsoever of any merit to protect the abused child. All the abuser has to do is deny the child's allegation of physical/sexual abuse, and the JW elders summarily dismiss the allegation, document the allegation, and hide the allegation from the police. Absolutely disgusting.

So, the child has the gumption to go to the elders but not the gumption to go to the police...yeah right...

 

[Daisy]

lol...

Yeah its pretty weird to me. I dont have skin in the game so i dont go around determining who a real christian is.

On top of this those elders have the power to turn their entire family against them if they try to get help outside the church.

 

[bomberfox]

Not only "do the elders have the power" - there are many personal testimonies to be found on youtube and elsewhere, that the JW elders do/have indeed "use/used that power" to turn family against family when a child reports allegation(s) of child abuse. Think about it for a moment. A religious doctrine/practice/dogma that does everything to protect the pedophiles, sexual deviants, and physical abusers of defenseless innocent children, but nothing whatsoever of any merit to protect the abused child. All the abuser has to do is deny the child's allegation of physical/sexual abuse, and the JW elders summarily dismiss the allegation, document the allegation, and hide the allegation from the police. Absolutely disgusting. It's all about saving face for the JW organization and avoiding negative publicity.

The whole organization just needs to go away. They’ve ruined enough people.

 

[Logician Man]

So, the child has the gumption to go to the elders but not the gumption to go to the police...yeah right...

I would think the abused child 'first' goes to the parents/guardians, in hopes the parents/guardians do the right thing, and hope the parents/guardians report the abuse to the police - providing it isn't the parents/guardians themselves that are the actual abusers.

 

[Daisy]

I would think the abused child 'first' goes to the parents/guardians, in hopes the parents/guardians do the right thing, and hope the parents/guardians report the abuse to the police - providing it isn't the parents/guardians that aren't themselves the actual abusers.

So why don't they go to the police...they are the responsible party for their own children...

 

[Logician Man]

So why don't they go to the police...they are the responsible party for their own children...

Because they are brainwashed by a cult with self-serving elders that makes them think the abuse should be kept within the Jehovah Witness organization, to avoid negative publicity that puts the JW cult in a bad light.

 

[Daisy]

Because they are brainwashed by a cult with self-serving elders that makes them think the abuse should be kept within the Jehovah Witness organization, to avoid negative publicity that puts the JW cult in a bad light.

That makes no sense...a parent will go to the elders but not the police over their child being abused...more holes than in a sieve...that is the stupid parent's fault...

 

[bomberfox]

So, the child has the gumption to go to the elders but not the gumption to go to the police...yeah right...

They are forbidden.

 

[Logician Man]

That makes no sense...a parent will go to the elders but not the police over their child being abused...more holes than in a sieve...that is the stupid parent's fault...

Well, @Elora, in your own words, please tell us why a child who has been physically and/or sexually abused should have to present two or three witnesses to that abuse. What is the rationale for that?