Why do liberals use MAGA as an insult?

[Corbell]

Nothing.

And, at least in my case, I’m not trying to be insulting to MAGA types. I’m truly trying to be helpful.

Watching my fellow working and middle class MAGA citizens act out in ways that inflict wounds that lower our values and do economic damage to themselves is painful to observe. Not to mention the pain of being in that economic class myself, thus suffering constant shrapnel hits that make my life more difficult than it needs to be because these good people are unable to DISCERN what’s in their own best interests.

So I suggest to them that their thinking is short sighted, lacking self-realization of what’s in their best interests (and mine because I’m one of them), and will NOT achieve their ends as what they are doing is the antithesis of what will make America great again (at least for folks like us, it might benefit a few who call themselves “citizens” but are actually global - with no national allegiances - made possible by their economic class).

What WILL make America great again is what made it great in the first place: The secular application of Judeo-Christian Ethics, The Protestant Work Ethos and Golden Rule Ethical Thinking.

No short cuts. No “alt facts”. No situational ethics. Scientific method. Do the work. Open mindedness to ALL the possibilities, using deductive reasoning to DISCERN what is in our majority’s best interests, and critical thinking to determine how best to implement those ideas which pass muster. Like voting your own wallet instead of others more wealthy than themselves, not living inside any thought bubble - reactionary or revolutionary - common sense is frequently a moderate, and putting high values in high regard.

When you think of WORKING CLASS, do you envison POVERTY or WORKING POOR?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Wanting my interests represented in policy in no way implies that I am dismissing all others and their interests.


You are projecting our own bad behavior onto us. Falsely.

I have explained why I think that will be the result in post 213. The world economy works in a certain way and you either play along or your lose out.

 

[Ikari]

Trump's first term was successful.

Consider his campaign promises. He delivered on six of the ten with mixed results on three more.

Control illegal border crossings *​

America First foreign policy ✔​

Reduce regulations ✔​

Appoint constructionist Judges ✔​

Trade agreements ✔​

Repeal/replace ACA *​

Tax reform ✔​

Job creation ✔​

Economic Growth *​

Drain the Swamp​

That last one is what DOGE is about.


Largely the same with different priorities.

The big difference is the opposition. in 2017 it was organized, layered, and dug in. In 2025 they will scramble to regroup because the election broke things on the Democrat's side of the aisle.


Trump is a capitalist and anti-militarist. He is never going full commie or fascist.

He is also not authoritarian though people insist on claiming so.

Trump rode an improving economy he inherited for as long as he could. His trade wars backfired the first time, his international policies were a joke, his tax cuts for the rich only cost us money, he added twice as much to the deficit than Biden, he only removes regulations so corporations can further take advantage of the People, he used the position for his own betterment and that if his family, he ****ed up the COVID response, and was fired.

Now Trump wants to punish dissent, wants to use the military against Americans, wants to control the media and punish anyone who says bad things about him. Trump isn't some free market capitalist, he wants the Corporate State. He's fawns for the power of Un, and that's what he's going to push to get.

 

[Geoist]

As opposed to the party that ran Kamala Harris.

Yes, MAGAts do tend to be less educated and informed than Democrats.

 

[VySky]

Again since what? When, prior to tRump, was America last great? Many a righty has been asked that question and has never given a straight answer.

I can answer that quesiton.

It was last great the day before Obama took office in 2008.

So now you know.

 

[Port & Starboard]

He was the best candidate in the field.

A turnip would have been a better choice than Trump or Harris and we both know this, but Chase Harris? Mr. Harris seems likeable enough to me, but he doesn't offer anything unique to the libertarian party other than being a gay person.

He wants to phase out young people from Social Security? 69% of Americans don't save enough as it is.

Opposes military support for Ukraine and Israel?

He wants to shut down military bases overseas? Goodbye South Korea. Goodbye Taiwan.

He wants to phase out Medicare for young Americans? Good ****ing luck with that pards.

He only received 0.4% of the vote in 2024? The Libertarian party isn't taken seriously by America.




You need someone far better than this guy if the LP wants to be considered a serious contender.

 

[Corbell]

You are trying to force the us to work on an older technological base “oil” while minimizing public investment into science and research.

Tariffs on imports in no way requires that we minimize public investment into science and research. Reducing immigration in no way requires that we minimize public investment into science and research.

The desire for technological advancement or high tech jobs, does not require, nor is it an excuse to ignore the needs and interests of the working class.

China and Europe are moving into this century though.

If we lose our technological advantage for the sake of preserving low skill factory jobs, then that economic largess and capital investment will flow to other countries.

They are moving into "this century" as you say. The idea that we can move into it, and ignore large segements of our economy and workforce because the high tech portion will be great, is just wrong on all levels.

It is not out of hate that I suggested an education, it’s out of knowledge of the direction technology is moving (and very rapidly so). I want you to prosper but there are only certain realistic ways to do that right now.

I have a stem degree. I worked as a traveler for several years. Could never get a permanent job. Don't know reasons. Have to consider that people like you were focused on getting more women into stem fields and just decided to **** me.

I work with people that have multiple certifications or degrees. I work with kids fighting to work their way though school.


You assumption that the working class have not tried to adapt is just wrong.

 

[Corbell]

MAGA doesn't make America better, Trump doesn't make America better. Just because you bought into a propaganda tag line from a corrupt conman doesn't change facts. That's a you issue.

Just saying.

Most of you libs seem hostile to us and America.

Trump seems willing to at least try.


I'd rather bet on him, than someone that hates me and mine.

 

[Ikari]

A turnip would have been a better choice than Trump or Harris and we both know this, but Chase Harris? Mr. Harris seems likeable enough to me, but he doesn't offer anything unique to the libertarian party other than being a gay person.

He wants to phase out young people from Social Security? 69% of Americans don't save enough as it is.

Opposes military support for Ukraine and Israel?

He wants to shut down military bases overseas? Goodbye South Korea. Goodbye Taiwan.

He wants to phase out Medicare for young Americans? Good ****ing luck with that pards.

He only received 0.4% of the vote in 2024? The Libertarian party isn't taken seriously by America.




You need someone far better than this guy if the LP wants to be considered a serious contender.

No one outside the Republicrat oligarchy is allowed to be a "serious contender".

 

[Ikari]

Most of you libs seem hostile to us and America.

Trump seems willing to at least try.


I'd rather bet on him, than someone that hates me and mine.

He's willing to try seizing more power, punishing dissent, blowing up the economy, turning us into NK.

 

[Port & Starboard]

No one outside the Republicrat oligarchy is allowed to be a "serious contender".

Dumb reply.

If your that is your standard answer then I can see why libertarians get a bad rap.

 

[Corbell]

I have explained why I think that will be the result in post 213. The world economy works in a certain way and you either play along or your lose out.

So, your point about us dismissing others, was just trash talk? NOthing worth following up there?

In that case, how about conceeding the point clearly? It would be.... the mature thing to do.

 

[Corbell]

He's willing to try seizing more power, punishing dissent, blowing up the economy, turning us into NK.

And now you are just spamming partisan swill. So... thanks.

What will you do, when none of your silly talk actually happens?


I know, but do you?

 

[BirdinHand]

When you think of WORKING CLASS, do you envison POVERTY or WORKING POOR?

I don’t distinguish between the 3.

If the flow of a paycheck coming into your home stops and can put you without a home in a short period of time, you are working class.


It isn’t the job as much as it is financial situation.

 

[Ikari]

And now you are just spamming partisan swill. So... thanks.

What will you do, when none of your silly talk actually happens?


I know, but do you?

What do you do when it all actually happens?

I know, but do you?

 

[Jay59]

Trump rode an improving economy he inherited for as long as he could.

Get the facts straight. The FED was raising interest rates but Trump improved the growth rate anyway.

His trade wars backfired the first time

There was never a trade war. Even with China is more on the order of a staring contest and China is the side that blinked.

his international policies were a joke,

The Trump administration got Sun Jung Un out of North Korea, brokered the Abraham Accords, relocated the embassy to Jerusalem, boxed in Iran for spawning terrorism, and defeated Putin in Turkey and Syria.

his tax cuts for the rich only cost us money

The tax cuts were for the middle class.

The revised tax law enabled more competitive pricing on export goods.

he added twice as much to the deficit than Biden

More than half the deficits were directly related to COVID. 2017-2019 he did better than Biden or Obama.

he only removes regulations so corporations can further take advantage of the People,

This is a big lie.

We had regulations for Y2K that were still generating paperwork.

he used the position for his own betterment and that if his family,

People keep saying this but it fits Biden much better.

he ****ed up the COVID response, and was fired.

Only on MSNBC.

In reality, he did a solid job bringing needed materials to the medical community and handled the pandemic shock to the economy well.

Now Trump wants to punish dissent,

I heard that turn about was fair.

wants to use the military against Americans,

He rarely wants to use the military at all.

wants to control the media

and punish anyone who says bad things about him.

In USA, the media has to be without malice.

They cannot show that to be true.

Trump isn't some free market capitalist, he wants the Corporate State.

He is a free-market capitalist. Where do you get the idea he isn't?

He's fawns for the power of Un, and that's what he's going to push to get.

 

[BirdinHand]

The idea that we can move into it, and ignore large segements of our economy and workforce because the high tech portion will be great, is just wrong on all levels

Nope - we need larger safety net programs because more and more people are going to be left behind and not able to keep up with technology

I have a stem degree. I worked as a traveler for several years. Could never get a permanent job. Don't know reasons. Have to consider that people like you were focused on getting more women into stem fields and just decided to **** me

Or, you simply were not a fit for the organizations that you travelled to and worked for.

Perhaps the attitude that comes through in your posts came through in real life also and employers simply decided they didn’t want to deal with it in a permanent basis.



From an HR perspective? A chip on the shoulder for a temp/contractor is always a “no go” when considering who to convert to a permanent employee

You assumption that the working class have not tried to adapt is just wrong

No one has said the working class doesn’t try to adapt. Many within the working class adapt just fine. There will always be those that cannot.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

When you think of WORKING CLASS, do you envison POVERTY or WORKING POOR?

Their are the non-working impoverished, the working poor, the lower, middle, upper working classes (‘the middle class”), the hybrid “well to do” with a foot in both worlds, the rich and the super wealthy.

The combined six lower economic classes make up approximately 92% of the nation and have much more in common with each other than we have with the top 8% or so. None of us have much of anything in common with the top 10th of that first percentile. Whose unfathomable wealth, that I am NOT claiming they are unentitlled to, makes their self-interests totally unlike those of 99.9% of us. They are not citizens of any particular nation, their citizenship is global, they go where they please - when they please, at will. outside the means the rest of us avail ourselves of, with assets readily available to them wherever they choose to have them, power that moves world leaders, and frequently operating above and sometimes outside of any laws because they can.

In fact that phrase defines most of their lives, “Because they can.”

I would suppose it might be very hard to live in such a way and not have it effect the way one thinks. So I doubt they have much in common with the rest of us as they likely, literally, don’t think the same way we do. I’m not sure I, myself, though I’d try hard not to would not be affected by such rarified air as that to the point it would change me on a fundamental level.

In that regard I’d imagine wealth on that level to be kind of a mental illness. You can’t blame someone for being sick.

 

[Corbell]

I don’t distinguish between the 3.

If the flow of a paycheck coming into your home stops and can put you without a home in a short period of time, you are working class.


It isn’t the job as much as it is financial situation.

There is a real difference between poverty and working poor.

 

[BirdinHand]

There is a real difference between poverty and working poor.

Only in the midst of individuals that think one is somehow above the other

 

[Corbell]

What do you do when it all actually happens?

I know, but do you?

What do you think I would do?

 

[Paradoxical]

"MAGA" is inaccurate and should have never been used to describe this political persuasion. I prefer the term "regressives."

I prefer Demoncrats for the party in power right now.

51 long days left. The, we will work on restoring the carnage that was Biden/Blinken/Harris of malaise, DEI, contempt for the people, silencing of free speech, spending on every fringe group there is and the notion that diversity is our strength, and all the other stupid slogans used to indoctrinate the masses that are used by the far fringe leftwing kooks.

 

[BabaVoss]

This reminds me of how southerners used to describe blacks and was a justification for enslavement.


You believe the last four years were more successful than the previous four years?

They certainly were, using metrics that are important to me. Not sure what metrics you could use to show that they aren't. But you don't need any metrics at all if you choose to believe lies.

 

[Corbell]

Nope - we need larger safety net programs because more and more people are going to be left behind and not able to keep up with technology

Oh, you want us on teh dole? Dependent and cowed, at your mercy? What a wonderful plan.

Or, you simply were not a fit for the organizations that you travelled to and worked for.

Perhaps the attitude that comes through in your posts came through in real life also and employers simply decided they didn’t want to deal with it in a permanent basis.



From an HR perspective? A chip on the shoulder for a temp/contractor is always a “no go” when considering who to convert to a permanent employee

Huh, just ignored my comment about getting more women into stem? Are you pretending that is not a real thing?


I like the HR bit too. Really shows how you people think. Attack me for not getting an edcuation, and then when I do, you don't hire me and cite "hr presptectives". It's not enough that I get a degree, I have to somehow project the idea that I celebrate everything you believe in.


This post of yours is much better than your normal post. Very meaty, really informing us a lot for this discussion.

No one has said the working class doesn’t try to adapt. Many within the working class adapt just fine. There will always be those that cannot.

Actually, the spin and vibe I get from people like you, is that the working class, especially MAGA working class, are lumps that want "externals" to fix their lives for them or some such shit.


So, yes, people have said that. YOur denial is false.

 

[Paradoxical]

My only problem with calling people MAGA is that it's not a noun.

The Dems will be clamoring to MAWA (Make America Weak Again) by giving billions to other countries and importing their criminals and poverty and uneducated because they care.