Why do liberals use MAGA as an insult?

[ElChupacabra]

Oh no, GOP has both chambers AND the oval.

This is on them.

It's why I'm curious to see how the MAGA v2.0 experiment goes. Now that there are less "RINOs" in the GOP and everyone is expected to not disagree with the decrees of their leader, it should be much easier sailing in the implementation of policy. They have almost 2 years to make serious inroads and see if voters reward them, or switch it up.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It's why I'm curious to see how the MAGA v2.0 experiment goes. Now that there are less "RINOs" in the GOP and everyone is expected to not disagree with the decrees of their leader, it should be much easier sailing in the implementation of policy. They have almost 2 years to make serious inroads and see if voters reward them, or switch it up.

They're still going to whine about the dems.

 

[ElChupacabra]

They're still going to whine about the dems.

Oh you know it. It will be the DEEP DEEP STATE responsible.

 

[eman623]

Maybe this is the time he delivers infrastructure, builds a wall Mexico pays for,

If he can just stop the waves of people coming in, that will be winning.

delivers a more beautiful health care system than the ACA,

He already zeroed out the unconstitutional and odious penaltax.

and has a trade war with China that doesn't cost tax payers $26b?

He'll recover much more from reducing the federal workforce and its regulatory burden.

Second time's the charm as they say.

Trump lied to me. He said I'd get tired of all the winning, but so far it's just not happening.

 

[Daddyo]

MAGA is a slogan that Trump stole from Ronald Reagan. It has come to mean something very different from what the letters stand for. Now it means nothing but supporting trump and trumpers, It is such an insult for that reason.

America has been and is still a great country, in spite of trump and his corruption.

No it doesn’t mean that. It means pulling america back from the brink of socialism. It means repairing the damage caused by democrats which had us on that destructive path.

America is great. America is also headed toward a cliff. MAGA will put the brakes on that bus keeping this country a representative republic. Which is why we are great. Democrats seek something more like a blend of socialism and communism. Like Marx said from each according to his ability to each according to his need. Sounds a lot like the wealth redistribution that democrats constantly push doesn’t it?

Did you believe that Biden “the big guy” was corrupt?

 

[Corbell]

Too broad a classification.
What does working class mean?
What specifically are they advocating for?
Just what are these interests.

Policy to serve their interests. And you don't need to know more. You have already dismissed them.

The honest and serious thing to do now, is to explain why you think that their interests should be dismissed, and really more to why you think that it is not even valid for them to avocate for their interests. Because that seems to be where you are coming from.

Then we can have a real discussion that reflects teh politic reality of the nation.


Demanding specifics is just you wanting to shut down the real discussion and muddy the waters to prevent the real interests and grievances of the working class from being even discussed.


Which, is kind of a crappy thing to do. VERY HOSTILE.

 

[Corbell]

We are.


We don't have to. Trump, Musk, and Ramaswamy will do everything that is required.

The important take aways are.

1. YOu are hostile to us and thus any of us would be dumb to support you.

2. You do and will continue to happily support policy that harms our interests to benefit others that you like more.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The important take aways are.

1. YOu are hostile to us and thus any of us would be dumb to support you.

2. You do and will continue to happily support policy that harms our interests to benefit others that you like more.

Isn't number 2 what you are doing? You are advocating for what you believe is your interest and are unconcerned if others get the shaft.

 

[Corbell]

....

I wasn't running for any offices. And I'm here to laugh at MAGAs who will get exactly what they voted for.

It is a regular thing for lefties to attack us for supposedly voting against our interests, ie not for you. That you just pretended to not know that, was you being very dishonest.

My words are true.

If that's your perception, then so be it. The reality of the situation that ALL Americans are faced with is that technology and the world are rapidly advancing and changing. Adapt or get left behind. That advice applies just as equally to a person working as a VP with a salary of $170K a year or the person running the cash register at WaWa making $30K.

If you think that's being dismissive, not quite sure what to tell you.

We have national policy. We have national trade policy. We have national immigration policy. We have national education policy.


The proper response to a signficant population advocating for their interests is to agree or disagree with an explainion as to why you disagree,


NOT, to dismiss the very idea of a group wanting to discuss policy.

I didn't say get a degree, did I? Don't lie.

One of the other posters made that point. ANd it's generally where you are coming from so, don't nitpick.

 

[Corbell]

Oh, I do care. Hostility and schadenfreude are emotions.

Quote me whining that you didn't vote for us.

Go ahead. Quote me.

You can't, because you were lying.

Your pretense of not understanding the plural you, is noted and dismissed.

THanks for contributing nothing to the thread. Well, filler. That might bury a decent post from someone else.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

What's wrong with making America great again? Shouldn't that be the goal of every citizen?

Nothing.

And, at least in my case, I’m not trying to be insulting to MAGA types. I’m truly trying to be helpful.

Watching my fellow working and middle class MAGA citizens act out in ways that inflict wounds that lower our values and do economic damage to themselves is painful to observe. Not to mention the pain of being in that economic class myself, thus suffering constant shrapnel hits that make my life more difficult than it needs to be because these good people are unable to DISCERN what’s in their own best interests.

So I suggest to them that their thinking is short sighted, lacking self-realization of what’s in their best interests (and mine because I’m one of them), and will NOT achieve their ends as what they are doing is the antithesis of what will make America great again (at least for folks like us, it might benefit a few who call themselves “citizens” but are actually global - with no national allegiances - made possible by their economic class).

What WILL make America great again is what made it great in the first place: The secular application of Judeo-Christian Ethics, The Protestant Work Ethos and Golden Rule Ethical Thinking.

No short cuts. No “alt facts”. No situational ethics. Scientific method. Do the work. Open mindedness to ALL the possibilities, using deductive reasoning to DISCERN what is in our majority’s best interests, and critical thinking to determine how best to implement those ideas which pass muster. Like voting your own wallet instead of others more wealthy than themselves, not living inside any thought bubble - reactionary or revolutionary - common sense is frequently a moderate, and putting high values in high regard.

 

[Corbell]

The world is going to move on with or without America. If we are held back, then we will all suffer for it.

....

Wait, almost something of a point there.


"we held back"? EXPLAIN.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Wait, almost something of a point there.


"we held back"? EXPLAIN.

You are trying to force the us to work on an older technological base “oil” while minimizing public investment into science and research.

China and Europe are moving into this century though.

If we lose our technological advantage for the sake of preserving low skill factory jobs, then that economic largess and capital investment will flow to other countries.

We have an economic advantage right now but the policies you are advocating for will squander it.

It is not out of hate that I suggested an education, it’s out of knowledge of the direction technology is moving (and very rapidly so). I want you to prosper but there are only certain realistic ways to do that right now.

 

[Corbell]

Oh yes the Trump filter. Any good that happened during his administration was due to someone else. Anything that failed Trump was directly responsible for.

I'm sure if the economy turns around under Trump you'll be forced to give Biden the credit.

It will be interesting to see their mental gymanstics if Trump gets a decent Peace Deal in the Ukraine.

 

[Corbell]

MAGA is just a tag line, a propaganda piece, MAGA has nothing to do with actually bettering America. It's like believing that North Korea is actually a Democratic People's Republic.

Our intent is serious. You might disagree, but that does not change our seriousness.

Your inability to deal with that, is a you issue, not an us issue.

Just saying.

 

[Corbell]

So. Chopping my text to deliberately take it out of context?

BRB.

I was directly addressing your point.... WTF are you talking about?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Call me anything, but late for dinner.

Works for me.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It will be interesting to see their mental gymanstics if Trump gets a decent Peace Deal in the Ukraine.

Ukraine will still have lost territory. I don’t view that as a victory.

 

[Ikari]

Our intent is serious. You might disagree, but that does not change our seriousness.

Your inability to deal with that, is a you issue, not an us issue.

Just saying.

MAGA doesn't make America better, Trump doesn't make America better. Just because you bought into a propaganda tag line from a corrupt conman doesn't change facts. That's a you issue.

Just saying.

 

[Port & Starboard]

MAGA doesn't make America better, Trump doesn't make America better. Just because you bought into a propaganda tag line from a corrupt conman doesn't change facts. That's a you issue.

Just saying.

Chase Oliver huh?

 

[Ikari]

Chase Oliver huh?

He was the best candidate in the field.

 

[Jay59]

MAGA doesn't make America better, Trump doesn't make America better.

He did his first term.

Just because you bought into a propaganda tag line from a corrupt conman doesn't change facts.

Those are not facts. That is your opinion.

That's a you issue. Just saying.

The man in the mirror

He was the best candidate in the field.

I voted for him.

 

[Ikari]

He did his first term.


Those are not facts. That is your opinion.


The man in the mirror


I voted for him.

Trump's first administration was a disaster. His plans for his second trip are even worse. If Trump gets his way and goes full commie, America will suffer.

 

[Jay59]

Trump's first administration was a disaster.

Trump's first term was successful.

Consider his campaign promises. He delivered on six of the ten with mixed results on three more.

Control illegal border crossings *​

America First foreign policy ✔​

Reduce regulations ✔​

Appoint constructionist Judges ✔​

Trade agreements ✔​

Repeal/replace ACA *​

Tax reform ✔​

Job creation ✔​

Economic Growth *​

Drain the Swamp​

That last one is what DOGE is about.

His plans for his second trip are even worse.

Largely the same with different priorities.

The big difference is the opposition. in 2017 it was organized, layered, and dug in. In 2025 they will scramble to regroup because the election broke things on the Democrat's side of the aisle.

If Trump gets his way and goes full commie, America will suffer.

Trump is a capitalist and anti-militarist. He is never going full commie or fascist.

He is also not authoritarian though people insist on claiming so.

 

[Corbell]

Isn't number 2 what you are doing? You are advocating for what you believe is your interest and are unconcerned if others get the shaft.

Wanting my interests represented in policy in no way implies that I am dismissing all others and their interests.


You are projecting our own bad behavior onto us. Falsely.