Typical gun hater logic. Arrest the guns and allow the dangerous criminals to go free. Why not take the dangerous criminals off of the streets? You know the people that do not obey gun bans.PricklySponge said:If the general populace of a state wish to have thier right to bear arms abolished in an effort to clean the streets of gun crime, that is their choice.
Typical gun hater logic. Arrest the guns and allow the dangerous criminals to go free. Why not take the dangerous criminals off of the streets? You know the people that do not obey gun bans.
I think you are stretching here, by taking criminals off of the streets, most people mean by lawful arrest after the commission of a crime, this seems like an attempt to discredit the poster.OdgenTugbyGlub said:This is non-logic. Why not take the dangerous criminals off the streets? Because of that same piece of paper you keep defending your right to buy guns with, The Constitution. We can't just abduct people we deem "dangerous criminals" and put them in jail for an inderterminate amount of time.Actually, the second amendment does not agree with the above statement "........the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", gun control does not hamper the criminal; ever hear of a filed gun, a smooth bore barrell, the "psst...come hear" guy, all of these factors render gun control worthless. Finally, there is no such thing as an "assault weapon" that is a created legal term, the classes of small arms fire are; Rifle,handgun,shotgun; these are either semi-automatic(one round per pull) Automatic(hold trigger for continuos fire), or burst fire. Assault rifles subscribe to the burst fire category and are most certainly not "assualt weapons" any representative who uses the term assualt weapon is already discredited in speaking about controlling firearms since they obviously don't know much about them.The second amendment does not say that we must make guns easy to get or that we must allow the sale of assault weapons. To me gun control is just making sure the wrong people dont get guns, not banning guns alltogether.
How many dangerous criminals has the background check law taken off of the streets of America after they committed another felony by attempting to purchase a gun?OdgenTugbyGlub said:To me gun control is just making sure the wrong people dont get guns, not banning guns alltogether.
How many dangerous criminals has the background check law taken off of the streets of America after they committed another felony by attempting to purchase a gun?
If a person is to dangerous to be trusted with a right why do gun haters want these people out of prison?
First off like all gun haters you mis-quoted me. See you are saying”wanting to own a gun”. I posted “attempting to purchase a gun”. This means the felon filled out the required paperwork to purchase a gun. While doing this paperwork the felon did not tell the truth. At the bottom of the required paperwork the purchaser signing it is stating all of the above information is correct. So see gun hater the background check does not remove dangerous criminals from the streets. The fact that a felon or as the gun haters like to call them dangerous criminals attempted to purchase a gun is ground s to arrest that felon.OdgenTugbyGlub said:It would be a gross violation of someones constitutional rights if we arrested them for wanting to own a gun.
First off like all gun haters you mis-quoted me. See you are saying”wanting to own a gun”. I posted “attempting to purchase a gun”. This means the felon filled out the required paperwork to purchase a gun. While doing this paperwork the felon did not tell the truth. At the bottom of the required paperwork the purchaser signing it is stating all of the above information is correct. So see gun hater the background check does not remove dangerous criminals from the streets. The fact that a felon or as the gun haters like to call them dangerous criminals attempted to purchase a gun is ground s to arrest that felon.
So it is clear you may not know what you are talking about in regard to purchasing a firearm
You did it and now you are angry because you have been called on it.OdgenTugbyGlub said:And you're really stretching when you say I have mis-quoted you; your nit-picking when we both know that "attempting to buy a gun" and "wanting to buy a gun" we're interchangable in the context.
Well once again you may wish to do some reading. The person committed a crime by attempting to purchase a gun. The fact that a person cannot pass a background check means they have been convicted in the past of a dangerous felony crime.OdgenTugbyGlub said:Congrats, you have solved nothing. Attempting to buy a gun, even if you are a felon, doesnt equate to commiting a violent crime and as such you can't jail them like they did.
We know this, the background check allows dangerous criminals to go free after they have committed yet another felony. Face it , it is a stupid law.OdgenTugbyGlub said:The background check is not MEANT to remove "dangerous criminals" from the streets, its meant to keep the questionables from buying a firearm.
You demonstrate your ignorance of the law again.OdgenTugbyGlub said:I'm sure if you really want a new gun you can wait a week for the background check to go through buddy, I know i'll wait for it.
I am irritated because your being a beligerent dick and you insist on harping on this even though you can clearly see my meaning.You did it and now you are angry because you have been called on it.
Well once again you may wish to do some reading. The person committed a crime by attempting to purchase a gun. The fact that a person cannot pass a background check means they have been convicted in the past of a dangerous felony crime.
So now to anger you even more. Once this is found out during the process of attempting to purchase a gun the dangerous criminal is allowed to go free.
Go ahead and do it, its not going to solve anything, and anything more is a violation of the constitution.me said:still, the most you could do is jail the person who dishonestly filled out the application for a period of a few months and fine them.
You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit. Make penalties steeper for falsely filling out an application if you want, I would be fine with that, but imprisonment without crime is bullshit no matter how you cut it.We know this, the background check allows dangerous criminals to go free after they have committed yet another felony. Face it , it is a stupid law.
Please oh wise one, enlighten me, do I NOT have to wait for my background check to go through before I get my gun?You demonstrate your ignorance of the law again.
Listen up gun hater this person would have committed a crime simply by filling out the paperwork and placing false information on it. The background check allows dangerous criminals to go free after committing another felony.OdgenTugbyGlub said:You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit.
:sigh:Listen up gun hater this person would have committed a crime simply by filling out the paperwork and placing false information on it. The background check allows dangerous criminals to go free after committing another felony.
me said:Let me direct you to another part of my post, one you seem to have missed.
me said:still, the most you could do is jail the person who dishonestly filled out the application for a period of a few months and fine them.
Go ahead and do it, its not going to solve anything, and anything more is a violation of the constitution.
Now the gun hater must throw in the word intent. This is not even the question. It is just the gun haters way of disrupting a post they have lost the argument in.OdgenTugbyGlub said:I said you couldn't arrest a person for the fact that you THINK they are going to commit a violent crime with the gun they are trying to purchase.
Now the gun hater must throw in the word intent. This is not even the question. It is just the gun haters way of disrupting a post they have lost the argument in.
The crime committed by a felon attempting to purchase a firearm is lying on the paperwork. Nothing more, nothing less. And you may wish to check up on the sentence they can get.
You have shown your ignorance of the law pertaining to purchasing firearms and you are now angry.
me said:Let me direct you to another part of my post, one you seem to have missed.
me said:still, the most you could do is jail the person who dishonestly filled out the application for a period of a few months and fine them.
Go ahead and do it, its not going to solve anything, and anything more is a violation of the constitution.
Here gun hater is your post. Now gun hater you claim “You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit.” this is called intent. I never said you could arrest them for intent.OdgenTugbyGlub said:You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit. Make penalties steeper for falsely filling out an application if you want, I would be fine with that, but imprisonment without crime is bullshit no matter how you cut it.
Without a crime? Lying on the paperwork is the crime! There is no need to even mention intent or as you say “You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit.”OdgenTugbyGlub said:but imprisonment without crime is bullshit no matter how you cut it.
Gee gun hater you may wish to read the above post and quote.OdgenTugbyGlub said:(And BTW, since your such a dick about this sort of thing, I never mentioned intent.)
Here gun hater is your post. Now gun hater you claim “You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit.” this is called intent. I never said you could arrest them for intent.
Without a crime? Lying on the paperwork is the crime! There is no need to even mention intent or as you say “You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they are going to commit.”
Gee gun hater you may wish to read the above post and quote.
The crime is falsely filling out the paperwork. It is called lying.OdgenTugbyGlub said:Its not intent, you would be arresting some one on intuition. "Oh, they are a violent criminal! They will commit a crime with this gun! Arrest them!" Thats not intent. If i said "You can't arrest someone because they WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME", that would be intent. I am not speaking about the persons intent, I am speaking about your assumptions about the person.
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