JuliusCaesar
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JuliusCaesar said:To me, this position seems hypocritical. Those that support legalization of marijuana often say that its illegality is what causes the problems, and that we create a bigger problem by making them illegal, causing a rise of the black market (I agree with this, btw.) However, the same people also say that ownership of guns should be illegal. But wouldn't making gun ownership illegal cause the same thing, with a black market for guns instead of drugs? And since the black market has an obvious crime affiliation, the guns wouldn't disappear; they'd just end up in the hands of criminals. So why do liberals support gun control when they also favor decriminalization of drugs?
:lol: Agreed.dragonslayer said:Besides, the liberals have to get armed so they can overthrow the NeoCons...
JuliusCaesar said:To me, this position seems hypocritical. Those that support legalization of marijuana often say that its illegality is what causes the problems, and that we create a bigger problem by making them illegal, causing a rise of the black market (I agree with this, btw.) However, the same people also say that ownership of guns should be illegal. But wouldn't making gun ownership illegal cause the same thing, with a black market for guns instead of drugs? And since the black market has an obvious crime affiliation, the guns wouldn't disappear; they'd just end up in the hands of criminals. So why do liberals support gun control when they also favor decriminalization of drugs?
dragonslayer said:I am as liberal as I can get, and I don't support legalizing Drugs. Now and then I read this crap. To say that all liberals want legal drugs is like saying that all conservatives hate women. Some libs may want legal drugs and some Conservative hate women, and want them as slaves.
I own a number of guns and certainly don't support the streets saturated with 10 hand guns and ammo for every gang member, as the conservatives want. Gun control, yes for the protection of our environment and our grandchildren. Make Guns illegal hell no. I love goiing to my shooting club and going hunting.
Besides, the liberals have to get armed so they can overthrow the NeoCons and reclaim America for Democracy. Democracy means the rule of the people and Conservative means the rule of the Corporations.
Remember that Conservatives love drugs. If person is on Drugs they can send him or her to prison take awaythe right to vote. All the great Drug lords in the World are conservatives. Drugs and distribution of drugs give the conservatives power over the poor, and downtrodden.
Kandahar said:The situation is a little more complicated than that. While there are similar concepts at work, these are two separate issues and should be treated as such.
I agree with what you said about drugs: making them illegal creates a black market, which leads to a lot more problems than we would have if they were just legal in the first place.
As for guns, that may be true to an extent (at least in areas of the country where people have legitimate uses for guns). However, guns are different than drugs in a few ways: 1. No one gets addicted to guns (thus driving up the price and causing people to steal because of price inelasticity), 2. The guns that are routinely sold on the black market don't have much of a purpose other than to harm someone, whereas drugs are generally a victimless crime, 3. There aren't a lot of people willing to risk selling in a black market for guns, because the profit margin isn't nearly as high as it is for drugs. Therefore, outlawing certain types of guns (regardless of whether its a good idea) tends to be more effective at eliminating guns than the similar policy for drugs.
Gun control has very different effects depending on where it's done. Obviously it's not a good idea to take away all guns from rural Southerners and create a huge black market where there will be lots of buyers and sellers, but cleaning up assault weapons in inner-cities seems to cut down on crime in some places that have tried it.
Unfortunately. the laws being applied greatly limits the use of firearms to the law abiding citizens. There is a saying "If guns were outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". The only thing that gun control is designed to do is to keep them out of the hands of good people but that will not stop the bad from getting them in any way shape or form. This gives the bad the edge over the good. The bad guy wants as much gun control from the good guy. Why-This gives the bad the ultimate control.Iriemon said:Gun control is not prohibition. I am not in favor of gun prohibition. Just control
ThePhoenix said:Unfortunately. the laws being applied greatly limits the use of firearms to the law abiding citizens. There is a saying "If guns were outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". The only thing that gun control is designed to do is to keep them out of the hands of good people but that will not stop the bad from getting them in any way shape or form. This gives the bad the edge over the good. The bad guy wants as much gun control from the good guy. Why-This gives the bad the ultimate control.
It is due to the fact that most crimes are not drug related, but most idiots shoot other people by accident with guns when they own them.
Further, there are other countries in which guns are not part of the mass culture, yet crime isn't magically higher in a statistically significant way.
ngdawg said:Gun control is a necessity, but they should NOT be made illegal to own. Prohibition was a dismal failure, except for the moonshiners and organized crime. If guns were banned, it would create the same scenario or worse.
Not until you fill out the registration paperwork and submit to a background check can you “drive by Walmart's and pick up a shotgun this afternoon”.Iriemon said:LOL Hell I could drive by Walmart's and pick up a shotgun this afternoon. There are how many hundreds of millions of them out there?
What state matter? Do you mean so some states can infringe on the rights of Americans while other do not? So you mean you like how the racist states infringed on the rights of Black Americans?PricklySponge said:As for gun control, I believe that this should be a matter for the states to decide. It would be foolish to ban weapons in open, rural areas, and foolish to legalize all weapon in east L.A.
If the general populace of a state wish to have thier right to bear arms abolished in an effort to clean the streets of gun crime, that is their choice. Would you rather have a centralised government making that desicsion for everybody?DHard3006 said:What state matter? Do you mean so some states can infringe on the rights of Americans while other do not? So you mean you like how the racist states infringed on the rights of Black Americans?
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