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And in the case of Roe V Wade, it was unconstitutional legislation from the bench.The issue started in the states and went through due process up to the SCOTUS. That's how the system works.
Nope. The highest authority in the land is the US constitution. The SCOTUS is only about interpretation.Of course it can. It has that authority as the highest court in the land.
I strongly suggest that you take a course in constitutional law. Roe V Wade stayed in force only because the court at the time had a librul bent. It was forever vulnerable to getting overturned, because it was not backed up in the US constitution. If it had been there would never have been a Dobbs decision, even with a court with a conservative bent.Your point is irrelevant. The SCOTUS is able to rule on any issue that comes before it. This is basic civics.
What was legislated? Cite the specific law legislated!And in the case of Roe V Wade, it was unconstitutional legislation from the bench.
I said "highest court." Not authority. Intentionly misquoting me is as good as lying. Regardless, if the SCOTUS interprets the Constitution, then their ruling are based and stand on that. You just defeated your own argument.Nope. The highest authority in the land is the US constitution. The SCOTUS is only about interpretation
Given your posts, I am apparently far more familiar with it than you..
I strongly suggest that you take a course in constitutional law.
the Roe court was a conservative majority. And they ruled for Roe with a 7-2 ruling.Roe V Wade stayed in force only because the court at the time had a librul bent.
I already said a SCOTUS court can overrule another SCOTUS court. What's your point? It seems you're just grasping at straws!It was forever vulnerable to getting overturned, because it was not backed up in the US constitution. If it had been there would never have been a Dobbs decision, even with a court with a conservative bent.
Nothing legally. Roe V Wade did not go through congress or the White House and was not based on anything in the US constitution as abortion is not mentioned in the document. It became law until the Dobbs decision overtuurned it.What was legislated? Cite the specific law legislated!
The keyword is interpretation. Roe V Wade was not interpretation.said "highest court." Not authority. Intentionly misquoting me is as good as lying. Regardless, if the SCOTUS interprets the Constitution, then their ruling are based and stand on that. You just defeated your own argument.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!Given your posts, I am apparently far more familiar with it than you.
And that 7-2 ruling was properly overturnedthe Roe court was a conservative majority. And they ruled for Roe with a 7-2 ruling.
The SCOTUS cannot constitutionally overrule on issues not relegated to the federal government. If you actually understood constitutional law, you would know that. However, I have lost patience with you and will leave you to your ignorance.I already said a SCOTUS court can overrule another SCOTUS court. What's your point? It seems you're just grasping at straws!
So it made no law? Thanks for admitting that.Nothing legally.
Do all legal cases have to go throught the President? You still haven't cited the "law" it became. Until you do, your entire argument fails!Roe V Wade did not go through congress or the White House and was not based on anything in the US constitution as abortion is not mentioned in the document. It became law until the Dobbs decision overtuurned it.
You said the SCOTUS interpretes that Constitution. The SCOTUS interpreted the Constitution to affirm abortion rights.The keyword is interpretation. Roe V Wade was not interpretation.
Another example of ho you fail to refute anything I said while doubling down on your own ignorance.Bwahahahahahahahaha!
You seem to think SCTOUS decision can never be overturned?And that 7-2 ruling was properly overturned
Such projection! Issues with law, be it state, federal, or constitutional are left to the SCOTUS to resolve. The fact you do not understand that is your own lack of understanding, not mine!The SCOTUS cannot constitutionally overrule on issues not relegated to the federal government. If you actually understood constitutional law, you would know that. However, I have lost patience with you and will leave you to your ignorance.
However Roe V Wade served as al until it was wisely overturned by the Dobbs decision. Until then it was for all practical purposes legislation from the bench.So it made no law? Thanks for admitting that.
Legislation goes through congress and is signed or veoted by the president.Do all legal cases have to go throught the President? You still haven't cited the "law" it became. Until you do, your entire argument fails!
And they blew it big time on Roe V Wade. The decision was not based on a damn thing written into the US Constitution. That's why it was overturned by the Dobbs decision.You said the SCOTUS interpretes that Constitution. The SCOTUS interpreted the Constitution to affirm abortion rights.
If you are referring to the Dobbs decision, certainly a librul bent court can come up with a new ruling that overturns it, however such a decision, not backed up by the US Constitution will still be forever vulnerable to a future decision overturning it. That's the point you appear unwilling to admit to. Abortion rights are not backed up by anything in the US Constitution. It is simply not a federal issue, unless an amendment to the US Constitution is proposed and ratified by the states. That is why the democrats in congress shit themselves anytime a conservative was nominated to the SCOTUS.You seem to think SCTOUS decision can never be overturned?
Your ignorance is still quite astounding! State laws that do not conflict with federal laws absolutely cannot be overturned by the SCOTUS, at least constitutionally. It would have been just as wrong if a SCOTUS with a conservative bent came up with a decision outlawing abortion on demand. You simply lack a coherent understanding of constitutional law and for that matter states power vs federal power. Perhaps the following will help you:Such projection! Issues with law, be it state, federal, or constitutional are left to the SCOTUS to resolve. The fact you do not understand that is your own lack of understanding, not mine!
THat would be incorrect. Unless you can cite the specific legislation, which I know you can't. So all the talk of "legislation from the bench" is nothing more than ignorant legalistic BS!However Roe V Wade served as al until it was wisely overturned by the Dobbs decision. Until then it was for all practical purposes legislation from the bench.
Passed legislation at all levels of government that is challenged goes through the courts.Legislation goes through congress and is signed or veoted by the president.
The Justices presiding disagree with you. They cited ther reasoning when rendering their ruling.And they blew it big time on Roe V Wade. The decision was not based on a damn thing written into the US Constitution. That's why it was overturned by the Dobbs decision.
The fact that you have to turn everything into a conseative/liberal argument only shows your bias and inability to deal with legal facts.If you are referring to the Dobbs decision, certainly a librul bent court can come up with a new ruling that overturns it,
Why do you keep on repeating yourself? That is not in dispute.however such a decision, not backed up by the US Constitution will still be forever vulnerable to a future decision overturning it.
I have repeatedly said SCOTUS ruling can be overturned by another SCOTUS ruling. Are you not paying attention? At the time, the SCOTUS did deem abortion rights was within the purview of the Constitution. You may not agree with it, but it doesn't change the facts!That's the point you appear unwilling to admit to. Abortion rights are not backed up by anything in the US Constitution. It is simply not a federal issue, unless an amendment to the US Constitution is proposed and ratified by the states. That is why the democrats in congress shit themselves anytime a conservative was nominated to the SCOTUS.
More projection on your part.Your ignorance is still quite astounding!
It's not about if state laws conflict with federal laws. That is irrelevant in this context. State laws were simply challenged and brought before the courts. The SCOTUS has final say in such matters if a challenge reaches it. Again, that's how the system works.State laws that do not conflict with federal laws absolutely cannot be overturned by the SCOTUS, at least constitutionally. It would have been just as wrong if a SCOTUS with a conservative bent came up with a decision outlawing abortion on demand. You simply lack a coherent understanding of constitutional law and for that matter states power vs federal power. Perhaps the following will help you:
You know trump/Musk will never support children and families/unwed momsHow can it be cruel to children to ban the killing of children???
We should both discourage abortion, while at the same time heavily support children and families, unwed moms, etc, etc
For the last time. read and study the 10th amendment to the US constitution. If you read it all the way through in an objective manner, hopefully you will get a handle on your ignorance. If not...have a nice day.That is irrelevant in this context. State laws were simply challenged and brought before the courts. The SCOTUS has final say in such matters if a challenge reaches it. Again, that's how the system works.
Maybe you should study civics, since your knowledge and understandng of the judicial process and review is sorely lacking.For the last time. read and study the 10th amendment to the US constitution. If you read it all the way through in an objective manner, hopefully you will get a handle on your ignorance. If not...have a nice day.
yes=====You know trump/Musk will never support children and families/unwed moms
While you're catching up on your civics studies, I suggest you pay particular attention to Artice 3 of the Constitution.For the last time. read and study the 10th amendment to the US constitution. If you read it all the way through in an objective manner, hopefully you will get a handle on your ignorance. If not...have a nice day.
If the SCOTUS were only about interpretation, the interpretation in Roe v Wade would be as free from criticism and Dobbs v Jackson for everyone, and vice versa. Only a right-wing shill takes the position that Roe was vulnerable but Dobbs isn't. In fact, give it 20 years, and Dobbs will unquestionably be overturned.And in the case of Roe V Wade, it was unconstitutional legislation from the bench.
Nope. The highest authority in the land is the US constitution. The SCOTUS is only about interpretation.
I strongly suggest that you take a course in constitutional law. Roe V Wade stayed in force only because the court at the time had a librul bent. It was forever vulnerable to getting overturned, because it was not backed up in the US constitution. If it had been there would never have been a Dobbs decision, even with a court with a conservative bent.
Like it or not, the SCOTUS is about interpretation. And with all due respect to the court, they do not get it right 100% of the time. That's why some decisions get overturned.If the SCOTUS were only about interpretation, the interpretation in Roe v Wade would be as free from criticism and Dobbs v Jackson for everyone, and vice versa.
That is an astoundingly ignorant statement considering that your democrat party itself quite publicly considered Roe V Wade vulnerable. Every time a conservative judge or justice was nominated, they twisted themselves in circles during confirmation hearings, asking the nominee in multiple different ways how they would vote on any potential decision regarding Roe V Wade. Or one could say they were playing people like you on the abortion issue for the sake of fundraising.Only a right-wing shill takes the position that Roe was vulnerable but Dobbs isn't. In fact, give it 20 years, and Dobbs will unquestionably be overturned.
I don't think you get the reasoning of the medical professionals in the movement.It is you that is quite confused. I get that there was a national movement against state abortion laws, however with nothing to back up abortion rights in the US constitution, the right way to proceed would have been to push a US Constitutional amendment to make abortion a federal issue. The SCOTUS cannot simply repeal laws that are relegated to the states. That is why Roe vs Wade ultimately failed. In the roughly 50 years that Roe V Wade was in force, the abortion movement or the democrat party could have at least codified Roe V Wade into law, which would have given it more teeth, however they didn't. And that was intentional They chose to keep it vulnerable to a future SCOTUS decision reversing it, for the sake of fundraising and fighting off conservative nominees to the federal bench or the SCOTUS. They did not expect that it would actually be reversed, but they played it that way for political benefit. To put it more bluntly, the democrat party played people like you.
Actually, your problem is that you apparently believe that a conservative reading of the Constitution is the only possible kind. In this, you reveal an excessive narrow-mindedness. I am liberal, so I like liberal readings of the Constitution, but I'm not so narrow-minded that I can't even see your point of view. You aren't even capable of living in a big society with multiple points of view. Why are you even in this country? You should be living in a feudal town in the European Middle Ages, because you lack the capacity to live in a country with the kind of diversity that led to the Constitution in the first place.However Roe V Wade served as al until it was wisely overturned by the Dobbs decision. Until then it was for all practical purposes legislation from the bench.
Legislation goes through congress and is signed or veoted by the president.
And they blew it big time on Roe V Wade. The decision was not based on a damn thing written into the US Constitution. That's why it was overturned by the Dobbs decision.
If you are referring to the Dobbs decision, certainly a librul bent court can come up with a new ruling that overturns it, however such a decision, not backed up by the US Constitution will still be forever vulnerable to a future decision overturning it. That's the point you appear unwilling to admit to. Abortion rights are not backed up by anything in the US Constitution. It is simply not a federal issue, unless an amendment to the US Constitution is proposed and ratified by the states. That is why the democrats in congress shit themselves anytime a conservative was nominated to the SCOTUS.
Your ignorance is still quite astounding! State laws that do not conflict with federal laws absolutely cannot be overturned by the SCOTUS, at least constitutionally. It would have been just as wrong if a SCOTUS with a conservative bent came up with a decision outlawing abortion on demand. You simply lack a coherent understanding of constitutional law and for that matter states power vs federal power. Perhaps the following will help you:
What a load of utter nonsense.Actually, your problem is that you apparently believe that a conservative reading of the Constitution is the only possible kind. In this, you reveal an excessive narrow-mindedness. I am liberal, so I like liberal readings of the Constitution, but I'm not so narrow-minded that I can't even see your point of view. You aren't even capable of living in a big society with multiple points of view. Why are you even in this country? You should be living in a feudal town in the European Middle Ages, because you lack the capacity to live in a country with the kind of diversity that led to the Constitution in the first place.
Reduced to insults, I see. Apparently unable to make a rational counterpoint to my argument.What a load of utter nonsense.
You have yet to pose a rational argument worthy of a counterpoint.Reduced to insults, I see. Apparently unable to make a rational counterpoint to my argument.
BS. Most of us on the pro-life exempt victims or rape and incest, as well as mortal danger to the life of the mother. If we were not considering women, we would just oppose abortion(baby homicide) under any conditions.
Nobody is doing it though... and all making it illegal does is start paving the road to oppression and denial of rights. Can't do it at 8 months now and it slowly starts getting eroded, like it already is. Pro-lifers should be ashamed of themselves... what they are doing to their sisters and daughters. Just horrible.
I have yet to see a rational or legal argument put forth as to why abortion should be restricted.You have yet to pose a rational argument worthy of a counterpoint.
It is a hypocritical position. Another question is, regardless if a woman is forced into pregnancy or not, why should she be forced to remain pregnant against her will? Anti abortionists do not seem able to rationally answer that question either.You only allow for those because the woman was forced into pregnancy. That should be irrelevant. It is still the killing of a baby. You support murder.
It is a hypocritical position. Another question is, regardless if a woman is forced into pregnancy or not, why should she be forced to remain pregnant against her will? Anti abortionists do not seem able to rationally answer that question either.
It is a hypocritical position. Another question is, regardless if a woman is forced into pregnancy or not, why should she be forced to remain pregnant against her will? Anti abortionists do not seem able to rationally answer that question either.
Some things just bear repeating. Of course it's all about punishing women (or control), because cruelty is the point.I've posted this before: It's not about protecting the unborn, it's about punishing women. Their opinions are based on the women, not the unborn.
I've discovered a pretty clear dividing line for "acceptable" for pro-life people. It's viewed the same very very frequently.If it's the woman's 'fault' she got pregnant (she enjoyed sex, her birth control failed, etc.) then she should not be allowed to have an abortion.If it wasnt her fault (rape, severe medical issues, incest as a minor) then she should be allowed to have an abortion.So what we can see here is that:--obviously most pro-life people do not view the unborn as the same as a person or even a baby...If the unborn was the same, or a baby, you could not terminate its life in cases of rape or incest or even the mother's life to some extent. (There are a few pro-life people that do believe you cannot terminate the unborn in these circumstances and at least they are consistent.)-- most pro-life people care more about judging and punishing a woman than they care for that 'innocent life'. (yeah, considering it punishment because the unborn is frequently referred to as a 'consequence')So IMO the dividing line re: abortion for pro-life supporters has nothing to do with the unborn, it's all about the woman and how they judge her culpability in the pregnancy.
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