Why can’t we hear from Epstein victims directly?

[Airyaman]

Which keeps bring me back to the question:
If the Biden Administration had these same files under their control for four years and that Administration was looking for more ways to discredit Trump in advance of the 2024 election, then why didn't they uncover whatever dirt those files contained just like same dirt the anti-Trumpers are looking for today?

Because Merrick Garland.

 

[jaypatriot]

Once depositions under oath are taken and the stories corroborated, the women would be free to speak in public. However, then, if they’re spouting nonsense or drama, their testimony under her oath can be unsealed.

Not sure public sentiment should be a barrier to a legal investigation like that.

You may be right. Every likes a show that includes women who may have been sexually abused by rich horny men looking for a good time on a Caribbean island.
Who would be willing to go through that?
Why not have Stormy Daniels come in and coach those women on how to show their assets and end up scoring a political as well as a monetary victory?

 

[jaypatriot]

Because Merrick Garland.

OK Fair enough.
The Dems have to blame someone for not revealing what everyone is looking for now. Garland is good enough an excuse as any.

 

[Airyaman]

OK Fair enough.
The Dems have to blame someone for not revealing what everyone is looking for now. Garland is good enough an excuse as any.

MAGA was the only ones looking for it pre-2025. Trump said he'd release it. Now he won't.

Self-inflicted.

 

[ataraxia]

Which keeps bring me back to the question:
If the Biden Administration had these same files under their control for four years and that Administration was looking for more ways to discredit Trump in advance of the 2024 election, then why didn't they uncover whatever dirt those files contained just like same dirt the anti-Trumpers are looking for today?

Welp, so much for getting rid of the "deep state" and being the most transparent administration in history. Promises made, promises kept, LOL.

SUNDAY SHOWS: Most Transparent Administration in History

This morning, the Trump Administration was out in force across the TV networks to update Americans on the progress made in the historic first month of

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[jaypatriot]

Good question. I say conduct a conduct a proper investigation, unseal it all, and let the heads roll where they may.

Would you be OK with that?

I wouldn't mind. I'm only an observer of this ongoing shitshow.
But maybe all of those names in those files which are not redacted could result in a number of defamation lawsuits brought against the current Administration where that could give the DOJ, FBI, serious reason to pause.
In other words, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

[btthegreat]

Sadly, there are probably numerous women who were on Epstein's island who see some sort of fame and fortune by coming out and telling lurid tales to the public. It will probably happen and we will learn if someone is telling the truth or just looking to score a big payment from some eager media channel looking for more publicity.

Its not the women who claim to be victims but aren't, that I am most concerned about. We should be especially wary of heresay tales, from people who claim to be cousins, friends, sisters etc of such victims, and offer to give their 'testimonials' as 'representatives' of victims to media. We don't know who they actually speak for, whether the claimed victims ever confided anything to them, or what their motives may be.

I remember someone claiming to be confident of Nicole Brown Simpson (ex of OJ Simpson) making the rounds and talking about how abused and frightened she was, on major news outlets, who hadn't spoken to or seen Nicole since she was tweener!

 

[joluoto]

Sadly, there are probably numerous women who were on Epstein's island who see some sort of fame and fortune by coming out and telling lurid tales to the public. It will probably happen and we will learn if someone is telling the truth or just looking to score a big payment from some eager media channel looking for more publicity.

Honestly I think most of them either want to just shut out the trauma and feels shame for their past, and thus they don't want to come forward. Or they are afraid, Epstein's clients were rich and powerful.

 

[jaypatriot]

Honestly I think most of them either want to just shut out the trauma and feels shame for their past, and thus they don't want to come forward. Or they are afraid, Epstein's clients were rich and powerful.

You may be right. But given how our society loves a juicy story and given how women are right up there trying to garner publicity at the risk of embarrassing themselves, there will be women who will throw the dice to see what publicity they get and whether that publicity, positive of negative, results in a financial payoff.

 

[dairyair]

As I’m sitting here listening to the apparent bargaining that’s going on between Donald Trump’s DOJ and Ghislaine Maxwell, I am wondering why there is no attempt by anyone to get in touch with all his alleged former victims. I am sure they saw a lot and have an important perspective to offer. Why isn’t anyone talking to them?

Likely lives will be in danger or will be very embarrassed.

 

[dairyair]

Safety from accidental suicide? An offer she can't refuse.

How'd that work out for Epstein?

 

[jaypatriot]

Its not the women who claim to be victims but aren't, that I am most concerned about. We should be especially wary of heresay tales, from people who claim to be cousins, friends, sisters etc of such victims, and offer to give their 'testimonials' as 'representatives' of victims to media. We don't know who they actually speak for, whether the claimed victims ever confided anything to them, or what their motives may be.

I remember someone claiming to be confident of Nicole Brown Simpson (ex of OJ Simpson) making the rounds and talking about how abused and frightened she was, on major news outlets, who hadn't spoken to or seen Nicole since she was tweener!

Yes, there are those who seek publicity using dubious connections.
This sordid story will no doubt produce all manner of publicity seekers.
And, heaven forbid, if some of those victims or publicity seekers are women of color. Crump, the ambulance chaser, will be right there to open up a new channel of his revenue stream. Along with Gloria Allred.

 

[Rexedgar]

I wouldn't mind. I'm only an observer of this ongoing shitshow.
But maybe all of those names in those files which are not redacted could result in a number of defamation lawsuits brought against the current Administration where that could give the DOJ, FBI, serious reason to pause.

In other words, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

This is the danger of fanning conspiracy flames, they can easily get out of hand.

 

[dairyair]

Close to the public? Would that really serve the appetites of those anti_Trumpers who want to see real people telling damaging stories of elitists who may or may have committed criminal acts on Epstein's island?
Is that any way to deliver the pound of flesh the rabid crowds are looking for?

Is it only anti trumpers that care about pedophilia or sex with underage children?
No republicans are interested in justice? Or are there republicans interested in the truth, but they are also so called anti trumper?

 

[ASHES]

How'd that work out for Epstein?

He refused the offer. He was going to spill all the beans. Can you imagine such an abuser surviving in prison? In reality, he was in a double-bind. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. We just got the damned if he did timeline.

 

[btthegreat]

Yes, there are those who seek publicity using dubious connections.
This sordid story will no doubt produce all manner of publicity seekers.
And, heaven forbid, if some of those victims or publicity seekers are women of color. Crump, the ambulance chaser, will be right there to open up a new channel of his revenue stream. Along with Gloria Allred.

You have a history of twisting something I wrote and diverting it in a direction I do not like. It is not my position that victims of Epstein should not hire whoever they damn well please to represent their interests as public spokespeople or legal advisors. What you call an 'ambulance chaser' because you don't like them, their tactics or clients, I call an attorney, a litigator, an advocate. If these victims choose Allred to investigate a law suit, I am fine with that.

 

[jaypatriot]

You have a history of twisting something I wrote and diverting it in a direction I do not like. It is not my position that victims of Epstein should not hire whoever they damn well please to represent their interests as public spokespeople or legal advisors. What you call an 'ambulance chaser' because you don't like them, their tactics or clients, I call an attorney, a litigator, an advocate. If these victims choose Allred to investigate a law suit, I am fine with that.

I re-checked my post in response to your post.
I found it to be appropriate given what you wrote.
Sorry you found it inappropriate.
Like Lincoln said:
"You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time."

That's the risk of the poster all of the time.

 

[dairyair]

He refused the offer. He was going to spill all the beans. Can you imagine such an abuser surviving in prison? In reality, he was in a double-bind. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. We just got the damned if he did timeline.

Isn't that what they're attempting to get Maxwell to do? Spill the beans, but only on those not affiliated with MAGA.

 

[jaypatriot]

Is it only anti trumpers that care about pedophilia or sex with underage children?
No republicans are interested in justice? Or are there republicans interested in the truth, but they are also so called anti trumper?

Ah, yes, the "truth". Something the ancient philosophers were constantly searching for.
I doubt no matter how many documents are made public, there will always be those who are dissatisfied with what has been made public.

 

[gboisjo]

Trump has guilt written all over his face.

 

[btthegreat]

I re-checked my post in response to your post.
I found it to be appropriate given what you wrote.
Sorry you found it inappropriate.
Like Lincoln said:
"You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time."

That's the risk of the poster all of the time.

I wanted to be very clear, that I do support victims that want to remain in the shadows and move on, and I also support victims that want to tell their stories, or seek justice and that often means hiring good mouthpieces. Its everyone else, who is making a mess of this and driving this train I have a problem with.

 

[gboisjo]

I wonder what they were talking about.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It seems like some Democratic congressman could just seek these folks out and have their own interviews with them. Not sure why this is not happening. It’s a little weird.

Given who is likely on the list and that Epstein probably had ties with intelligence agencies the well being of peoples families can be at stake.

Which is likely why Epstein received a very light sentence in his first conviction.

The powers at the time didn't want the info to get out

 

[jaypatriot]

I wanted to be very clear, that I do support victims that want to remain in the shadows and move on, and I also support victims that want to tell their stories, or seek justice and that often means hiring good mouthpieces. Its everyone else, who is making a mess of this and driving this train I have a problem with.

I, too, have a problem with those posters who seek to only see Trump further denigrate by a sordid story which, in my estimation, adds nothing to our society.
The sooner this story disappears, the sooner we can get on with focusing on issues which really matter to the people. And that means not going after the president and whomever else happened to be lured onto an island which, even Pinocchio, a wooden puppet, might have been titillated.

 

[ataraxia]

Ah, yes, the "truth". Something the ancient philosophers were constantly searching for.
I doubt no matter how many documents are made public, there will always be those who are dissatisfied with what has been made public.

Interesting- a criminal investigation possibly involving Trump, and all of a sudden truth is this mysterious thing that goes back to ancient Greek philosophers.

But claims of cat-eating Haitians by Trump, and all of a sudden its.... OUTRAAAAAAGE!