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Why building codes should be abolished

That's why people hire their own private inspectors during construction, like this guy.

People have no faith in government inspectors, and for good reason.

That is because for-profit capitalist builders bribe the inspectors to allow shoddy construction. Who are you going to blame for their actions in their goal to increase profits? The problem is not the building codes themselves are faulty. Its the crime involved by unscrupulous builders.
 
Over half of the nation's housing stock is over 50 years old. Do all of you support forcing these homeowners to upgrade their "unsafe" homes to comply with the current building code?
They would have to if they ever want to sell it.
 
That is because for-profit capitalist builders bribe the inspectors to allow shoddy construction.

That's a reason to get rid of the government inspector. That goes on my side of the argument.

They would have to if they ever want to sell it.

No they wouldn't. You absolutely do not have to bring your house up to code in order to sell it.
 
Thanks!



Safety isn't binary, it's a continuum. What you consider to be safe enough, may not be safe enough for me. There isn't one standard that's right for every person.
You can choose the standard, or choose above the standard. Choosing below the standard should not be an option.
 
I wouldn't want a house built on a slab, especially if there were utility runs under the middle of that slab. That's my personal opinion. If I was a basement contractor, I might even be interested in supporting a building code that prohibits building on slabs other than for garages and outbuildings.

I refuse to build slab, even though it is, rarely, possible in this area. About 90% of my builds are crawl space and the remainder are finished basements. The mega builders love it because it is faster and cheaper at the scale and speed they are builder, but for custom construction, not really much of a price difference. (Between slab and crawl space, obviously full finished basements will cost you.) 😄
 
That's a reason to get rid of the government inspector. That goes on my side of the argument.



No they wouldn't. You absolutely do not have to bring your house up to code in order to sell it.
The buyer would not be able to get a mortgage, so you'd have to look for a cash deal. That's not the sort of buyer who would be looking to buy sub standard I'd say, unless they were looking to renting it to unsuspecting tenants. No one ever said people behave admirably. Doesn't mean we should get rid of basic safeguards to assist them.
 
That's a reason to get rid of the government inspector. That goes on my side of the argument.

NO, you dont remove the inspector when the builder is the problem. The inspector lacks sufficient enforcement ability and they can be bribed, so that needs to be addressed.
No they wouldn't. You absolutely do not have to bring your house up to code in order to sell it.
If you dont you will get a lot less money for it when those issues are revealed during the pre-sale inspection. The inability to insure it because of needed updates is also a problem when you seek to get a mortgage.
 
I wouldn't want a house built on a slab, especially if there were utility runs under the middle of that slab. That's my personal opinion. If I was a basement contractor, I might even be interested in supporting a building code that prohibits building on slabs other than for garages and outbuildings.
Alot of FL homes are on slabs. Very very few basements and not too many crawlspaces anymore. Of course many on coasts are being built above ground, but that's not most of FL.
 
What is the point of this?

Do you know what it takes to be a licensed home inspector? It's more than taking some courses.

And who is there to verify any of it? He doesnt recognize any authorities to do so. Libertarianism does not allow "authorities" with any actual "authority".
 
No matter how many threads the OP starts on this topic, they don’t close the circle, IMO.
 
And who is there to verify any of it? He doesnt recognize any authorities to do so. Libertarianism does not allow "authorities" with any actual "authority".
In my state you have to take an approved course (InterNACHI has that) but then you perform at least 30 home inspections with another licensed home inspector before you can apply.
 
In my state you have to take an approved course (InterNACHI has that) but then you perform at least 30 home inspections with another licensed home inspector before you can apply.

Ask him if he believes someone should have to do that to become a home inspector.
 
Building codes represent nothing but the personal preferences of the people who write them, based on subjective values rather than objective principles. There is no one right answer, it's all about trade-offs.

For example, suppose the building code in your climate mandates R20 for wall insulation. This number is not based on any objective scientific principle. Generally, the more you spend now on insulation and air-sealing, the lower your fuel bills will be later. But allocating more upfront for insulation means sacrificing resources that could have been used elsewhere. There are no free lunches, only trade-offs. Ultimately, the decision comes down to the values of the person making it.

You say, "But R20 is reasonable." No it isn't. Reasonable means based on reason, and there is no reason why R20 would be the ideal standard for millions of different homeowners, all with unique preferences and circumstances. Homeowners who would naturally choose R20 on their own are no better off for being forced to comply. Meanwhile, those who would prefer a different approach are made worse off. What justifies the state overriding their choices? The argument that it’s for the "common good" doesn't work when the primary beneficiaries of such mandates are insulation manufacturers—not homeowners.

Although this example focuses on insulation, the same reasoning applies to every aspect of home construction. Since building codes make no homeowners better off, and make millions of homeowners worse off, they should be abolished.
I will agree some building codes in some areas are unnecessary. Most have been implemented after seeing their need, like for earthquakes, firewalls, electrical, plumbing, etc.
 
Alot of FL homes are on slabs. Very very few basements and not too many crawlspaces anymore. Of course many on coasts are being built above ground, but that's not most of FL.

Pretty much 100% in Florida since the 1950's. If you see a crawl space on a house, usually means it was built before 1950.

But with no frost issues, slab works well in Florida. Too well, as companies have used destructive fill and bill to enable slab construction in flood plains.
 
I will agree some building codes in some areas are unnecessary. Most have been implemented after seeing their need, like for earthquakes, firewalls, electrical, plumbing, etc.
Do you have examples of what you find to be unnecessary in any building codes? I hate those damn afci breakers too, but other than that, can't think of anything too unreasonable...
 
Do you have examples of what you find to be unnecessary in any building codes? I hate those damn afci breakers too, but other than that, can't think of anything too unreasonable...

I'd bet there are some pushed by contractor lobbies to line their pockets. They'd get into paying off home inspectors/accreditation orgs as well.
 
Ask him if he believes someone should have to do that to become a home inspector.

Very good. Here's the argument: If I wish to hire a bum lying in the gutter to inspect my home, how is that any of your business?

The state is not your mommy, so stop acting like it is.
 
Very good. Here's the argument: If I wish to hire a bum lying in the gutter to inspect my home, how is that any of your business?

The state is not your mommy, so stop acting like it is.

If my child goes to your home with your kid to do homework...and it collapses.

How do I verify the safety of your home? How do we verify the safety of the school building?
 
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